Key Postion Players

[Pafloyul]

Are the options mooted in this thread for real???

Hughes - A-grade Dud. Can't even get a game for Richmond reserves. Currently playing at Richmond's reserves' reserves

Mckinley - I was against getting him last year and this year he is showing why. Went through a purple patch last year but been badly exposed. If you think Fisher is a liability in the team due to his lack of defensive pressure, wait until you see Mckinley play.

Maguire - No. ****ing. Way. Has lost all mobility after his broken leg. Nathan Brown anyone?? Wouldn't go near him with a ten foot pole. Second rounder for him? You're havin' a laugh.

Thorp - Potentially the only one I'd look at along with maybe Sellar and only if they came cheap which is unlikely. Otherwise lets go the draft route. If we can pick up a couple of good ones this year it still gives us enough time with Fev to develop and have them playing good footy when he hangs up his boots.

This thread reminds me of when we had serious ruck deficiencies. Any player above 195 cm was mooted on these boards (Mclaren and Ackland = ). It wasn't until we went the draft route through Jacobs, Hampson and Kreuzer that we were able to fix the issues and we should do something similar here as well.

Spot on!

I'm still not convinced one of Panos or Griffiths won't still be there for our first pick and if they are not it is not the end of the world. There seems to be a lot of talls about this year who seem to be on the right side of the word 'project'. We could pick one or two up later.

 

[Pafloyul]

Not much faith in the draft route this year K-man

Do you mean you haven't or this board generally?

I think we'd be pretty stupid not to have... It would be better to go best available draft wise than to go half-a**** during the trade period trying to plug-up our perceived 'needs'.

 

[Banga19]

McKinley would be perfect for us and wouldn't cost as much as he may have 2 years ago or even last year. LeCras has overtaken him and McKinley isn't as entrenched in their best 22 as he used to be.

He's a Victorian boy and wouldn't need much persuading to come home considering where West Coast and Carlton are likely to be on the ladder next year.

I posted last year around the trade period that I knew a former owner of a local pub, who was close friends with the McKinley family. He told me to watch out for him when he was drafted, as he had watched him play juniors on many occasions. Last year, he told my father (who is prone to exaggerating), that he really wanted to come home, and play with Judd who he had really looked up to and befriended. McKinley had done really well at school (similar to Judd) and also wanted to study law along with playing football. As of last year, McKinley was very keen to return to Melbourne and play for Carlton. Not sure what happened after that.

N.B: If somebody wrote what I just said, I would not believe them, and I don't blame those who don't

Anyway, out of all those suggested in this thread, he would be the one I'd love us to chase. Although I wouldn't mind holding onto our 2nd round pick for once, instead of sending it west.

 

[CarltonFan]

Are the options mooted in this thread for real???

Hughes - A-grade Dud. Can't even get a game for Richmond reserves. Currently playing at Richmond's reserves' reserves

Mckinley - I was against getting him last year and this year he is showing why. Went through a purple patch last year but been badly exposed. If you think Fisher is a liability in the team due to his lack of defensive pressure, wait until you see Mckinley play.

Maguire - No. ****ing. Way. Has lost all mobility after his broken leg. Nathan Brown anyone?? Wouldn't go near him with a ten foot pole. Second rounder for him? You're havin' a laugh.

Thorp - Potentially the only one I'd look at along with maybe Sellar and only if they came cheap which is unlikely. Otherwise lets go the draft route. If we can pick up a couple of good ones this year it still gives us enough time with Fev to develop and have them playing good footy when he hangs up his boots.

This thread reminds me of when we had serious ruck deficiencies. Any player above 195 cm was mooted on these boards (Mclaren and Ackland = ). It wasn't until we went the draft route through Jacobs, Hampson and Kreuzer that we were able to fix the issues and we should do something similar here as well.

thankfully someone said it.

im still rofling at the mcguire suggestion! are these people for real?

 

[Cruiser23]

If Matt Maguire is over his injures we should have a go.

Whats happening with Adam Hartlett???

We should draft on of Ben Griffiths,Mathew Panos or Steven Mary. GUNS!!

It is Steven May and he will be heading to the Gold Coast, too young for this years draft.

 

[Cruiser23]

Hughes - talented but some off field issues.
Mckinley - to small at 184cm for KPF
Thorp - Rock Star syndrome.......already thinks he is a star from all reports and is also as slow as a kart horse.
McGuire - He is a backman not a geniune forward.

We are better off developing and being a little more patient with Setanta and Hartlett. I also think Waite will return next year as a forward and fingers crossed we can trade a player of ours for a 1st round upgrade and Griffen.

Possible F50 next year:

HF: Yarran Hartlett Waite
F: Setanta Fev Betts

Great description of him.

 

[The Coach]

Are the options mooted in this thread for real???

Hughes - A-grade Dud. Can't even get a game for Richmond reserves. Currently playing at Richmond's reserves' reserves

Mckinley - I was against getting him last year and this year he is showing why. Went through a purple patch last year but been badly exposed. If you think Fisher is a liability in the team due to his lack of defensive pressure, wait until you see Mckinley play.

Maguire - No. ****ing. Way. Has lost all mobility after his broken leg. Nathan Brown anyone?? Wouldn't go near him with a ten foot pole. Second rounder for him? You're havin' a laugh.

Thorp - Potentially the only one I'd look at along with maybe Sellar and only if they came cheap which is unlikely. Otherwise lets go the draft route. If we can pick up a couple of good ones this year it still gives us enough time with Fev to develop and have them playing good footy when he hangs up his boots.

This thread reminds me of when we had serious ruck deficiencies. Any player above 195 cm was mooted on these boards (Mclaren and Ackland = ). It wasn't until we went the draft route through Jacobs, Hampson and Kreuzer that we were able to fix the issues and we should do something similar here as well.

McKinley has an achilles injury and has been playing on jabs as he figures he cannot take the time off it needs at this point in his career - we should tell him to sit out and we will come to the party. When Fev is gone he will be the leading FF we need

 

[Stig O'Hara]

Thorp - yep.

Sellar - a funny one, touted as the second messiah, was playing seconds for Glenelg last year, played with Austin and Gibbs a couple of years ago, is a perennial emergency for the Cows, but i can't see why.

Goose Maguire - No.

Hughes - like most talls, murdered as a forward while Richo has free reign,
and Morton seems to have taken a permanent spot. Would definately look at him. And if Schultz is delisted, which he will be, would consider him.

 

[Bluestheboy]

I see in todays paper that the hyphen has taken an interest in mentoring Hartlett. I watched the guy last week against Casey and liked what I saw. Wretched run with injuries but at 23 years and 196cms he is definately worth perservering with. His body has let him down in the past but he is stringing games togethor now so lets see. One thing that did impress me about him is his pace. For a big guy he moves sweetly.

 

[thegreenmachine]

I'm more leaning towards drafting someone with our first pick and giving them a few years to replace Fev. Barring injury elsewhere, we could throw the likes of Kreuzer and Waite to play at FF if Fev gets injured (or CHF), or even Thornton, Hampson or O'hAilpin (sure O'hAilpin's kicking is questionable but he has a safe pair of hands and plays with grunt).
If Warnock can get fit once again, then along with Hampson and Kreuzer we have some options as well, with even O'hAilpin as backup.
But the most impressive improvement has and will continue to come from our backline. Austin, Bower, Jamison and Thornton have and will shape our backline to a fortress. For all the talk of Aussie's athleticism, he is an awesome size for his age and could fill out to become a "gorilla" in the backline in a few years.
Notice the versatility in some of these players? Could go into some detail on them but *yawn* can't really be bothered.

 

[Quazza]

Thorp - yep.

Sellar - a funny one, touted as the second messiah, was playing seconds for Glenelg last year, played with Austin and Gibbs a couple of years ago, is a perennial emergency for the Cows, but i can't see why.

been playing in the ruck the last few weeks for Adelaide. Has looked ok too

 

[HBF]

I am still to be convinced that our supposed lacks of talls needs to be addressed. Fevola at FF is obvious, and then we could any one of Kreuzer, Waite, Setanta and even Austin up forward. It's not that we need more talls, it's the fact that when we do play them up there, our mids still continually look for Fevola, even though he might have 2 or 3 players on him.

Ratts has GOT to make an effort over Summer to get it through the players' heads that they need to look for the player in the best position, and not just look for Fevola.

 

[mac25]

I am still to be convinced that our supposed lacks of talls needs to be addressed. Fevola at FF is obvious, and then we could any one of Kreuzer, Waite, Setanta and even Austin up forward. It's not that we need more talls, it's the fact that when we do play them up there, our mids still continually look for Fevola, even though he might have 2 or 3 players on him.

Ratts has GOT to make an effort over Summer to get it through the players' heads that they need to look for the player in the best position, and not just look for Fevola.

We have tried approx 6 different players at CHF over the last two seasons and to date no one has put their hand up showing they are a long term option in this role, Kreuzer looks more of a ruckman and deep forward than CHF, the only other player is Waite and although he is capable of playing their in bursts he seems to play his most consistent footy in defence.

Cloke,Fisher,Hartlett has been tried and are not up to it, O'Alphin is capable on a given day, but is unlikely to be a long term solution,Austin has shown very little at senior level to suggest he is a forward.

We need to address this area externally at season end , as our attack really lacks depth of talent.

 

[Juddys_navy_blues]

A player who can kick 40 plus in a season is what we need, wether that be a KPP or a flanker, this is where Ryan O'Keefe would have been handy.

 

[Blueinblood]

Dont need a big forward. Just another scoring option. Russell doesnt kick enough goals, same with Hoops and i would hate to see Walkers talent limited ot just the forward line. Intersted in Gamble from geelong.

 

[Weiterbot23]

A player who can kick 40 plus in a season is what we need, wether that be a KPP or a flanker, this is where Ryan O'Keefe would have been handy.

I agree with you, but I would rather a player that could kick 60 over a player that could only manage 40...can someone pass that on?

 

[Azul]

I agree with you, but I would rather a player that could kick 60 over a player that could only manage 40...can someone pass that on?

We drafted one of those - Chris Yarran.

(Rich trolls keep quiet!)

As for key position players, we just need to cross our fingers the 'best available' happens to be a good size this year. As it happens we've used a pick <= 24 three years in a row on a tall. We just need to hope Hampson, Kreuzer and Warnock learn to hold a mark ala North's triumvirate of Hale, Petrie and McIntosh. Still, another Bower or Austin would be handy if we can't snaffle a genuine forward.

 

[HBF]

We have tried approx 6 different players at CHF over the last two seasons and to date no one has put their hand up showing they are a long term option in this role, Kreuzer looks more of a ruckman and deep forward than CHF, the only other player is Waite and although he is capable of playing their in bursts he seems to play his most consistent footy in defence.

Cloke,Fisher,Hartlett has been tried and are not up to it, O'Alphin is capable on a given day, but is unlikely to be a long term solution,Austin has shown very little at senior level to suggest he is a forward.

We need to address this area externally at season end , as our attack really lacks depth of talent.

And it would help if we kicked the ball to these players, rather than going to Fevola almost all the time the ball goes into the F50. Similar to what was happening at Richmond a couple of years ago, their mids would go to him because he is such an imposing target, rather than the best option.

Carlton MUST do this, and learn how to do this over Summer. I actually think Waite, Setanta and Kreuzer are all capable of kicking 25 goals each in a season, and if our mids are smart enough, this can happen.

 

[Silvagnis]

I love the impact Kreuzer has around the ball, but if we have to play Kreuzer forward for the sake of the team and to kick goals, then so be it.

The Dogs had to play Brad Johnson forward.

Tippett has kicked forty goals this year playing as a ruckman and forward.

No reason why Kreuzer can't emulate Tippett's form after another pre-season in the gym. Kreuzer has shown he can kick goals with both feet on the run and rove the ball at ground level in the forwardline.

Kreuzer is quicker than Travis Cloke, but has Nick Riewoldt's endurance and motor.

Kreuzer is a better kick than Cloke.

 

[Juddys_navy_blues]

I love the impact Kreuzer has around the ball, but if we have to play Kreuzer forward for the sake of the team and to kick goals, then so be it.

The Dogs had to play Brad Johnson forward.

Tippett has kicked forty goals this year playing as a ruckman and forward.

No reason why Kreuzer can't emulate Tippett's form after another pre-season in the gym. Kreuzer has shown he can kick goals with both feet on the run and rove the ball at ground level in the forwardline.

Kreuzer is quicker than Travis Cloke, but has Nick Riewoldt's endurance and motor.

is a better kick than Cloke.

If Kruezer did play as a permanent forward what would be a good return?

 

[Blueboys7]

If Kruezer did play as a permanent forward what would be a good return?

As it would be his 3rd year you would be happy with 35-40 goals. It takes time to learn a new position and he is still very young and wont hit his peak for a fair while yet.

I don't understand people that say he will be wasted at CHF, he can rotate through the ruck with Warnock/Hampson/Jacobs at times. I can see him playing a similar role to Riewoldt as he has the motor and the athletic ability. He has shown the ability to kick goals and take pack marks, so I don't see how he could be wasted since he has shown enough in that position to suggest that he could become an elite CHF.