koby stevens

[skelly12]

Kind of agree with Bourky, I think the pies really lack defensive options. Lets analyse Collingwoods list.

Possible delistings
Ball winning midfielders
Danny Stanley
Ryan Cook
Ben Johnson

Possible retirements
Anthony Rocca
Shane O'bree


Young Midfielders on list
Steele Sidebottom
Dayne Beams
Sharrod Wellingham
Jarryd Blair
Tristian Francis
Luke Rounds
Jaxson Barham
John McCarthy
Jarrod Blight
Scott Pendlebury
Dale Thomas
Kevin Dyas

Young Defenders
Nathan Brown
Ben Reid
Tyson Goldsack
Tobias Thoolen
Shannon Cox

Young Ruckmen
Cameron Wood
Lachlan Keefe

Young Forwards
Travis Cloke
Sean Rusling
Brad Dick
Chris Dawes
Brent MacCaffer
Jack Anthony

Looking at that youth i'd say there is quite a bit of depth and variety. Outside players with pace such as Thomas and Wellingham, good users and ball getters such as Pendlebury, Sidebottom, McCarthy and a couple of tough nuts such as Barham and Beams. Add experienced players who are definitely not old at all like Davis and Swan and i'd say the midfield is sorted for some time.

Ruck is a definite weakness. Wood has shown really good signs lately and Fraser is capable around the ground but Bryan isn't much of a ruckmen and Keefe is still very raw, however he is showing really good signs in the VFL. I'd say ruck is one area which must be targeted this coming draft period.

Forwards are quite good however it would be nice to draft a big full forward to take over from Rocca. Someone in the ilk of Tom Hawkins would be nice.

Backs are not too bad. Brown will be really good, one of the premier defenders in coming years I would suggest without hesitation. Despite your opinion Bourky, Reid is quite good in the back half. He is athletic and surprisingly strong so I believe he will become a top key forward with a rebounding aspect to his game once he learns his trade properly. Harry O'brien is still relatively young and quite a good defender, Presti will need to be replaced, Maxwell does his job back there and Shaw will be one of the premier rebounders for many years. Overall i'd say we probably need to draft one more key defender.

In summary I would suggest that Collingwoods emphasis this draft period will be on ruckmen, a key forward and a key defender, not necessarily someone like Kobes.

That is all.

 

[AGC]

Is his pace an issue? I mean i've seen him a couple of times and whilst he doesn't seem slow- he doesn't seem too fast. Interested in thoughts from guys who have seen a fair bit of him

 

[Bourky23]

Collingwood's list has a nice balance so I expect us to take the best player available.

you're probably right overall, but the area's i've highlighted (Key Talls and Ruckman) will most definitely be targeted by Collingwood IMO. Collingwood rarely selects best available (case could be argued with Sidebottom i guess).. Thomas & Pendlebury were not best available in that particular draft (although it turned out to be an absolute masterstroke in the case of Pendlebury.. great use of hindsight or "hinesight" if you will) but both Daisy and Dipper were massive gambles at the time. We'll wait and see i guess.

And if you're going to bag Reid at least spell his name right, and I couldn't disagree more regarding out talls, I'm confident Reid (20 years old) and Dawes (21) will both come through at both ends of the ground.

my bad on the name. simple mistake.

didn't realize Reid was that young. (actually in hindsight i do, i now recall him being drafted as a 17 year.. made the cut by only a day or two IIRC).. so i guess i'll give him another year or two to prove his worth. still not sold on Dawes though.

Both are much better prospects than Cahill (pick 74, it's seems the clubs weren't as hot for him as you are)..

the bloke hasn't played a game. mature aged recruit though (which explains the lateness of his selection). I've got faith.. got some freakish ability. absolutely pantsed Michael Hurley last year.. and i mean absolutely pantsed him.. so he's definitely got some good potential. Bit of a loveable larrikin as well so i doubt the pressure will get to him. As i said, jury's still out.. if you want me to give Reid a chance then Cahill more than certainly warrants one as well

And didn't you say on more than one occasion Nick Heyne was a star and would go in the first round? From memory he ended up going in the third round.

relevance? obvious flaws in your argument if you have to bring a player absolutely irrelevant to the argument into the discussion.

(post bookmarked though, will be some serious egg on your face in a few years)

I'm happy to let you make the wrong call again but don't expect me to agree with it.

haha no worries

My thoughts to c23 he doesnt seem to open his foot sometimes on impact especially from set shots so lacks that penetrastion .

*shakes head in disbelief*

was a one off thing. was most certainly back to his best by foot in the wet down in Tasmania. If you don't think he is one of the elite kicks in this years bunch (arguably the best IMO) then you are kidding yourself.

i mentioned it in another thread to bourkey but you know what bourkeys like when one his boys are being talked about ha ha.

Christ if hine last year had of killed bambi bourkey would have claimed self defence for hine.

well that's what it would have been

 

[smiddaz123]

put a line through Ried, he's a dud. Dawes.. likewise.. sure they might be doing alright in the VFL but if memory serves me correctly they've both been on your list for at least 3-4 years and still can't break into the Collingwood side who is absolutely starved of Key Forwards at the moment. Really says something IMO.. especially Ried who was pick 8 IIRC.

Are you being serious

Reid was the youngest player in his draft and was drafted as an incredibly skinny KP forward, who is currently being re-invented as a CHB. You think he should be holding down his spot in a top 8 side?

Changing his game to be a CHB, developing himself physically and mentally as such a young player doesn't happen over night. This is his third year, and you're dismissing him as a dud.

Dawes was drafted in the same year....this is his third year, he missed the entire first season with a knee injury, so essentially it could be said it is his second year. He made his debut last year, and managed to kick 3 goals in a final, and showed signs at the very least.

Both are young (Reid I imagine is about the same age as a Jarrad Grant, will you dismiss him as a dud?), both have had injuries (Dawes in particular), and both are into their third year, so when you say they've been here 3-4 years, that's incorrect.

Currently our forward line would look similar to this

Didak - Cloke - Thomas
Dick - Anthony - Medhurst

We won't be going into a game with 3 big KP forwards, so realistically it'll be either Cloke or Anthony who'll be replaced. Cloke won't be dropped, he is too vital, and Anthony is in terrific form.

Saying we're starved of KP forwards is far off the truth, especially since Medhurst basically plays as a marking forward, and essentially is similar to a KP player.

Add to that Reid isn't even a forward at the moment....and has Brown and Presti ahead of him. I think you can forgive him for being behind these two at the moment, considering Presti is one of the form Full Backs in the AFL, and Brown came to the club in the same year far more physically ready and a natural defender, rather than a re-invented one.

I think you're right in your analysis that we could use another KP player or two, but you're way off in your knowledge of Reid and Dawes it seems...

Anyway, sorry to take the thread off topic somewhat.

 

[AFL LEGEND]

Im on the Koby Stevens bandwagon to Essendon....

# 1 Supporter

oh.

Bourky23 and Smiddaz123, the thread is about Koby Stevens.

Take your banter elsewhere please

 

[Bourky23]

Im on the Koby Stevens bandwagon to Essendon....

# 1 Supporter

oh.

Bourky23 and Smiddaz123, the thread is about Koby Stevens.

Take your banter elsewhere please

get a ticket and join the line bud.

 

[AFL LEGEND]

get a ticket and join the line bud.

if he was to fall though....


bring him to the bombers... he wont last till pick 20 something...

 

[Themi#9]

Is there a chance Richmond could pick him up?

 

[coke_zero]

Is there a chance Richmond could pick him up?

well if he proves he is worth pick 2 or 3 then yes.

 

[ROYAL EAGLE]

Bourky who would you prefer Dustin Martin or Koby Stevens ?

 

[Cruiser23]

Bourky who would you prefer Dustin Martin or Koby Stevens ?

LOL...

I don't think you are going to get a neutral opinion.

 

[Bourky23]

Bourky who would you prefer Dustin Martin or Koby Stevens ?

that's like asking a parent which kid they love more!

got a lot of time both players, both bring similar qualities and abilities to the table..

i'd say they are equally tough and hard a the ball..

Dustin is probably a better posession accumulator but Koby is a strong mark and probably has a better ability going both ways, Dustin doesn't seem to have an awful lot of a defensive side to his game whereas Koby was regularly entrusted with matchup's against the oppositions better players as he wouldn't give them an inch.

can i say both?

 

[Anjahads]

Is there a chance Richmond could pick him up?

Yes I think he will be a top 5 pick.Be a great player with Cothin.

 

[Joshen]

Does anyone know who he barracks for?

 

[Bourky23]

Bitchmond.

 

[footyman]

Bitchmond.

All kids have their faults I guess

 

[folester41]

might be a bit off the mark but he reminds me of jimmy bartel a bit.

 

[__aria__]

wouldnt mind taking this bloke with our first pick

 

[EagleMan87]

If he can get over his OP should end up as a bargain pick.

Hopefully.

 

[Eastern Rangers]

If he can get over his OP should end up as a bargain pick.

Hopefully.

Early post says he can kick 40m flat and hard and later they are high and lack distance. Sounds like OP effected more than just the second half of the TAC cup that he sat out, probably effected his whole champs and before that too.