Can someone tell me, what are his stats as a specialist batsman, home and away, without zimbabwe and bangladesh in there?
All that criteria is needed please.
Home: 67.26
Away: 56.85
Neutral: 62.00
12 tons at home, 9 away and 2 neutral.
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Can someone tell me, what are his stats as a specialist batsman, home and away, without zimbabwe and bangladesh in there?
All that criteria is needed please.
Can someone tell me, what are his stats as a specialist batsman, home and away, without zimbabwe and bangladesh in there?
All that criteria is needed please.
What an innings by Sangakkara, absolute amazing!
The way he accelerated his innings after he got to 100 was elite level.
2nd best batsman ever IMO
I think it is impossible to make calls like this given all of the players we have never seen, not to mention the near limitless variables that carry over time.I reckon Sanga is probably fourth or fifth best ever.
You can mount arguments for them all, but I rate Sanga higher.I rate Lara and Tendulkar higher. Rate Ponting equal (although his record on the subcontinent isnt that great).
I reckon Sanga is probably fourth or fifth best ever.
Yep. None of us saw Wally Hammond play (I assume ) but everything I've read about him suggests that his name should be included among the all time greats.I think it is impossible to make calls like this given all of the players we have never seen, not to mention the near limitless variables that carry over time.
It's interesting you group those five countries together.Sangakkara averages 42.6 in Australia, England, West Indies, New Zealand, South Africa. Definitely not ATG stats. It is true that he does not get to play a lot in those countries but the likes of Tendulkar and Lara started playing well immediately and in much difficult conditions of the 1990s. I am sure actually his overall averages would have come down a fair bit had he played more outside his comfort zone.
Wally Hammond is an integral part of a bit of trivia about the Don.Yep. None of us saw Wally Hammond play (I assume ) but everything I've read about him suggests that his name should be included among the all time greats.
At a guess, I'd say that Hammond (905) and Bradman (974) are the only two players to top 900 runs in a Test series. Making the feat even better was the fact that both players did it on foreign soil.Wally Hammond is an integral part of a bit of trivia about the Don.
Any idea what that may be?
There's probably a number of things.At a guess, I'd say that Hammond (905) and Bradman (974) are the only two players to top 900 runs in a Test series.
So Bradman only has 2 more Test wickets than me: I guess that means I'm a pretty good bowlerThere's probably a number of things.
But the one I was thinking of was that Hammond was one of Bradman's two test wickets.
Pretty sure he bowled Hammond with a full toss.So Bradman only has 2 more Test wickets than me: I guess that means I'm a pretty good bowler
Likely the 2nd best specialist batsman post ww2, as much as I like Sachin, Lara, viv etc, Kumar is far more consistent and prolific a run-scorer (as clearly supported by stats).
When comparing against Hobbs, Hammond, Grace, G Headley etc then the argument moves into more subjective waters, owing to substantially different playing conditions.
It's interesting you group those five countries together.
You could have mentioned at least that in Australia he averages 60. And in NZ, prior to the current tour, he averaged 66 (he now averages 68).
So really, it's down to 3 countries:
WI - 34.00
SA - 35.75
Eng - 41.04
Interestingly, Ponting "only" averaged 41 in England as well. And a miserable 26 in India.
And interestingly again, Lara "only" averaged 41 in Australia (despite his 277). And 33 in India and 37 in New Zealand.
You can pick whatever holes you like, using stats, to basically suit your argument.
ok, how many times has he handled the gloves when he has averaged below 40 v SA, India, and WI.He is a very, very good player.
Whether he deserves to be ranked with Tendulkar, Lara and Ponting is an interesting one. In some ways it is difficult to compare statistics directly because the schedules of the small Test nations are so different to the big ones. For example, Sangakkara has played 20% of his matches against either Zimbabwe or Bangladesh - for the other three the number is more like 3-7%. Take out all his matches against those countries and his average drops about 6 points - for the other three it doesn't make much of a difference.
I generally look at where players struggled to score runs. Sangakkara averages less than 40 in three places - India, South Africa and the West Indies. In contrast, Tendulkar averages over 40 everywhere. Ponting averages over 40 everywhere except India. Lara averages over 40 everywhere except India and NZ, but IMO he also played in tougher batting conditions than the other three given the slight generational difference.
Given all that I'd put Sangakkara a bit below the other three, but not by much.
Sangakkara handed over his wicket-keeping duty to Prasanna Jayawardene in Tests cricket in 2009
Steve Waugh fantasy board and caribbean recordsDon't rate that stat at all. For one a not out from a top order batsman enhances their credentials imo. It also unfairly punishes players for making a quick fire <50 not out in the second innings before a declaration.
thnx for this sherb.Geez, you could argue the fors and againsts ad finitum.
So I will throw in a couple of "fors" for Sanga.
1. TEST RECORD AS A BATSMAN ONLY (IE WHEN NOT DESIGNATED KEEPER)
81 matches, 141 innings, 13 not out, 8877 runs at 69.35 - 30 hundreds and 40 fifties
So apart from the remarkable batting average, he is scoring at least 50 on average every second innings.
I'll do the other "for" a bit later when I can be bothered to look up the info.
I would like to mention Brendan Mcullum and Andy Flower as example of non- fashionable players who played for low profile teams whos records are wonderful and deserve to be up there!
By creating an "alien conditions" stat, you come up with a misleading result - either deliberately or otherwise.There was no hidden agenda behind clubbing those countries together. Those countries present the most alien conditions to the players from the subcontinent. That was the reason why I clubbed them together. Also individually he has played very few matches in each of these countries. So at times stats can be misleading. It is a routine practice. Sangakkara also averages low in India for some reason. Sangakkara is without doubt a modern day great but I do feel that his stats are somewhat inflated due to a number of reasons.
Talking about low averages in foreign countries, every player has a few of them except Tendulkar who averages 45+ in all the major cricket playing countries except in Pakistan where his average is 40. I think that is quite remarkable after playing for so long.