Kyle Cheney

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He isn't that bad. He is just a classic case of one of those players who dominate the Reserves, but can't seem to find their feet in the big time.

Maybe he will be trade bait to the 'younger' clubs at seasons end
 

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Simon_Nesbit said:
At AFL level he's a step off the pace. Like most young players in their first few games (most recent example Duryea).

Difference is, those other young players grow out of it in 10 or so games, and usually have other redeeming features (Duryea's kicking/aggression, Hill's endurance, etc). Cheney doesn't really have that.

AT VFL level, he's either quicker or stronger than his opponent, and is proficient enough to play to his strengths. At AFL level, his opponents are either as strong, but quicker, or as quick but stronger, and he's restricted into a negating role.

He doesn't offer enough offensively to make mistakes defensively, and he isn't a good enough stopper to play a pure negating role. He was easily WOG in the first quarter, interrupting 3-4 forward thrusts of ours through poor disposal, and being caught out of position defensively as well.

Good to have in the 25-30 grouping, but I think we will always be wondering when he will be replaced by a younger, tastier product.
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Perfect summation (imho).
 
Simon_Nesbit said:
At AFL level he's a step off the pace. Like most young players in their first few games (most recent example Duryea).

Difference is, those other young players grow out of it in 10 or so games, and usually have other redeeming features (Duryea's kicking/aggression, Hill's endurance, etc). Cheney doesn't really have that.

AT VFL level, he's either quicker or stronger than his opponent, and is proficient enough to play to his strengths. At AFL level, his opponents are either as strong, but quicker, or as quick but stronger, and he's restricted into a negating role.

He doesn't offer enough offensively to make mistakes defensively, and he isn't a good enough stopper to play a pure negating role. He was easily WOG in the first quarter, interrupting 3-4 forward thrusts of ours through poor disposal, and being caught out of position defensively as well.

Good to have in the 25-30 grouping, but I think we will always be wondering when he will be replaced by a younger, tastier product.
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This is pretty much on the mark.

Today my two young boys couldn't understand why i was so amazed that an AFL player could miss a set shot from the top of the goal square. So I took them to the footy oval and tried to explain it to them by kicking at the goals from the same position. No matter how much we tried, it is almost impossible to hit the post from the top of the goal square.

That helped explain to my sons, just how shocking the Cheney kick was. They proceeded to tell me "the red guy, why is he playing in the AFL". Just shrugged the shoulders.
 
HAWKAS1887 said:
Other than that missed goal. Thought he was pretty solid! Few fumbles here an there, still a good depth player! Solid defender
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you kidding? He had a stinker - conceded the first goal through a fumble under little pressure, gave away multiple stupid frees, bulldogs actually targeted inside 50 kicks at him knowing he wasn't winning the contest...and finally that kick. Time to play out the year in Box Hill before being delisted as he just isn't AFL standard let alone Hawthorn standard.
 
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Cyrillic said:
This is pretty much on the mark.

Today my two young boys couldn't understand why i was so amazed that an AFL player could miss a set shot from the top of the goal square. So I took them to the footy oval and tried to explain it to them by kicking at the goals from the same position. No matter how much we tried, it is almost impossible to hit the post from the top of the goal square.

That helped explain to my sons, just how shocking the Cheney kick was. They proceeded to tell me "the red guy, why is he playing in the AFL". Just shrugged the shoulders.
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Your a disgraceful parent...
 
Jamie Hamilton said:
you kidding? He had a stinker - conceded the first goal through a fumble under little pressure, gave away multiple stupid frees, bulldogs actually targeted inside 50 kicks at him knowing he wasn't winning the contest...and finally that kick. Time to play out the year in Box Hill before being delisted as he just isn't AFL standard let alone Hawthorn standard.
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Were you in the bulldog box yesterday?? I watched the game live and thought he battled well in the one on ones. There something with a few of you so called hawks supporters!! Always looking to put blame onto someone. Over the years Murph,Ellis and co. now it's Cheneys turn. Lay off the kid you fwucking spuds. Big mouths behind computers never helps anyone..
 
I still haven't really come to terms with him being a Hawthorn player. Everytime I see him I think 'Melbourne'. But he's a good solid depth player to have. We need players like him on our list who are AFL experienced enough to come in when needed.
 
Jamie Hamilton said:
you kidding? He had a stinker - conceded the first goal through a fumble under little pressure, gave away multiple stupid frees, bulldogs actually targeted inside 50 kicks at him knowing he wasn't winning the contest...and finally that kick. Time to play out the year in Box Hill before being delisted as he just isn't AFL standard let alone Hawthorn standard.
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Are you kidding?? No one has said he was a star. I and a few others said he was solid.

20 possies, 9 contested, 2 frees against, 1 for - so not really note worthy, Langford 4 against with 2 also against was Whitecross, Hale, Sewell, Lake.
5 x1 percenters, 5 marks and 75% efficiency. I know some dont like the efficiency stat but it certainly doesnt indicate he should be put back to BHH and await his delisting!
A little respect is probably in order. Regardless of how you rate him in the best 22 from all accounts he is very popular, hard working and does everything he can to get the best out of himself.
 

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FairCall said:
Are you kidding?? No one has said he was a star. I and a few others said he was solid.

20 possies, 9 contested, 2 frees against, 1 for - so not really note worthy, Langford 4 against with 2 also against was Whitecross, Hale, Sewell, Lake.
5 x1 percenters, 5 marks and 75% efficiency. I know some dont like the efficiency stat but it certainly doesnt indicate he should be put back to BHH and await his delisting!
A little respect is probably in order. Regardless of how you rate him in the best 22 from all accounts he is very popular, hard working and does everything he can to get the best out of himself.
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I think this is something posters in here should try and adhere to. Sometimes i can't believe the reaction (over reaction) of some in here to selections and performance. Cheney is well respected and every time he has gone back to box hill he has done that with a smile a determination to get back in the ones. Something i can't say for others that have befallen the same fate. So please he is one of the hardest workers at the club i think he has earnt your respect.
 
They've given him enough chances for mine.

He turns 24 next month and has played just over 30 games. He is handy depth but does not look like he'll ever be an A or B level player.

With Boseley, Cheney, Litherland and Kelly on the list, a decision will need to be made about which ones we keep.
 
Jamie Hamilton said:
you kidding? He had a stinker - conceded the first goal through a fumble under little pressure, gave away multiple stupid frees, bulldogs actually targeted inside 50 kicks at him knowing he wasn't winning the contest...and finally that kick. Time to play out the year in Box Hill before being delisted as he just isn't AFL standard let alone Hawthorn standard.
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I'm not sure i could take anyone who calls his game a stinker seriously, i presume you are trying to be controversial or funny. He had a few clangers but did some good things too. Around 70 dream team points, didn't purl but stinker? Nah
 
Collins-Langford-Ayres said:
They've given him enough chances for mine.

He turns 24 next month and has played just over 30 games. He is handy depth but does not look like he'll ever be an A or B level player.

With Boseley, Cheney, Litherland and Kelly on the list, a decision will need to be made about which ones we keep.
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Thats what annoys me about Cheney he is our cover defender and was okay yesterday in the 1 on 1's its just if he isnt a pure shutdown stopper why was he selected

Litherland should have gotten the nod over Cheney not because he is a better player right now its just in the long term he is going to be much better than Cheney he is tall, quick, can run and good kicking skills same as Kelly and those are all things we dont have in our defense besides Birchall.

Cheney has just showed that he is worth keeping around but he is pure depth if there every was such a thing at AFL, Duryea has overtaken him and soon Litherland and Kelly will too.
 

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