Lack of Statistics... why?

[The Falcon Strike]

If I was so inclined, I could find Michael Clarke's batting average in 3 tests series played away from home whilst he batted at 5 and was captain at the time, won the toss and elected to bat.

Why then are AFL statistics so hidden?

Every now and then a journo pulls some stat out how Player X had 12 stats in the past month which is a record since 2005.

We get access to some of the very basic stats and the AFL website have added a few more in lately - but why not the full suite?

I may be wrong but I would have assumed that the AFL commission champion data to record their stats hence the information should remain the property of the AFL. Why then not allow it to be released?

I think their are some really valuable statistics that just aren't available to the general public.

 

[The Falcon Strike]

MODS please delete - wrong board

 

[Miguel Sanchez]

MODS please delete - wrong board

Will do, but I think the answer to your question is that they've decided there's commercial value in selling the whole suite of statistics to those that need them (i.e journos, recruiters, OCD types )

 

[The Falcon Strike]

Will do, but I think the answer to your question is that they've decided there's commercial value in selling the whole suite of statistics to those that need them (i.e journos, recruiters, OCD types )

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[WCEswift]

http://www.footywire.com/ may be a site to your interest

 

[The Falcon Strike]

http://www.footywire.com/ may be a site to your interest

Not really, it is still only basic stats.

There was a website pro-stats a few years ago which had a few more.

 

[WCEswift]

Not really, it is still only basic stats.

There was a website pro-stats a few years ago which had a few more.

Ugh the nerdgasms that would induce for me haha

 

[nameless]

Days/weeks/months/years have been lost on this site: http://stats.rleague.com/afl/afl_index.html

Probably not exactly what you want, but is still awesome!!!

 

[The Dodger]

If I was so inclined, I could find Michael Clarke's batting average in 3 tests series played away from home whilst he batted at 5 and was captain at the time, won the toss and elected to bat.

Why then are AFL statistics so hidden?

Every now and then a journo pulls some stat out how Player X had 12 stats in the past month which is a record since 2005.

We get access to some of the very basic stats and the AFL website have added a few more in lately - but why not the full suite?

I may be wrong but I would have assumed that the AFL commission champion data to record their stats hence the information should remain the property of the AFL. Why then not allow it to be released?

I think their are some really valuable statistics that just aren't available to the general public.

Well I never saw the stats but I was reliably informed that Jack Watts lead the league in intercept marks from rounds 7 through 11 or some such. Found that pretty interesting.

 

[QS]

Well I never saw the stats but I was reliably informed that Jack Watts lead the league in intercept marks from rounds 7 through 11 or some such. Found that pretty interesting.

Apparently taken before nic Nat too

 

[The Dodger]

Apparently taken before nic Nat too

Well thats understandable given his ability to be the best in the league at intercept marks for a very narrow portion of the season.

 

[Shupe]

So we're in agreement? Jack Watts > Nic Nat?

 

[The Dodger]

So we're in agreement? Jack Watts > Nic Nat?

Based on a very tight interpretation of a single stat over a small sample size of games I don't think there can be any doubt.

 

[Shupe]

Based on a very tight interpretation of a single stat over a small sample size of games I don't think there can be any doubt.

We should probably let the Main Board know.

 

[The Dodger]

We should probably let the Main Board know.

Nah the mainboard already know it. Its not until NN can float back to the half back line and improve his uncontested possession & uncontested marking that he will be the player we all expect him to be.

 

[greennick]

I have been wondering this for a long time. I understand the commercial imperatives of the additional money that can be got from selling the stats. But how much money do they actually get from this? I don't think it would be in the millions.

When you consider how much could be made from a legion of fans even more obsessed with the game, it doesn't make much sense.

 

[Keys]

Vast difference in the detail and work required to compile football stats and cricket stats

Most stats in cricket can be gleaned from scorecards whereas even the most simplistic stats in football (kicks, handballs, marks etc) require someone to count them whilst the game continues. The effort required to compile more obscure stats like smothers, spoils, shepherds, contested, uncontested etc etc is immense and can't be done by a single person

 

[Shupe]

Vast difference in the detail and work required to compile football stats and cricket stats

Most stats in cricket can be gleaned from scorecards whereas even the most simplistic stats in football (kicks, handballs, marks etc) require someone to count them whilst the game continues. The effort required to compile more obscure stats like smothers, spoils, shepherds, contested, uncontested etc etc is immense and can't be done by a single person

What has this got to do with Jack Watts and Nic Naitanui?

 

[Keys]

What has this got to do with Jack Watts and Nic Naitanui?

Jack watts would be better off playing cricket

 

[greennick]

Vast difference in the detail and work required to compile football stats and cricket stats

Most stats in cricket can be gleaned from scorecards whereas even the most simplistic stats in football (kicks, handballs, marks etc) require someone to count them whilst the game continues. The effort required to compile more obscure stats like smothers, spoils, shepherds, contested, uncontested etc etc is immense and can't be done by a single person

Isn't it really just an investment in the interest in the game though? IMO, the more discussion of the actual game (not the MRP, PED, draft tampering, etc), the higher the interest there will be in people wanting to go to games or watch them. Though scandals get more interest in the news, they don't make people follow footy.

 

[Keys]

Isn't it really just an investment in the interest in the game though? IMO, the more discussion of the actual game (not the MRP, PED, draft tampering, etc), the higher the interest there will be in people wanting to go to games or watch them. Though scandals get more interest in the news, they don't make people follow footy.

I guess if the afl do get the stats then it would be nice if they made them available to supporters but that would require an organization who's focus was on what's good for the game rather than maximizing revenue

 

[greennick]

I guess if the afl do get the stats then it would be nice if they made them available to supporters but that would require an organization who's focus was on what's good for the game rather than maximizing revenue

My argument would be that in the long run, this is an instance where what is good for the game and what is good for revenue would be the same. It is not like they're banking $5m a year from selling this data.

 

[Keys]

My argument would be that in the long run, this is an instance where what is good for the game and what is good for revenue would be the same. It is not like they're banking $5m a year from selling this data.

And I would agree with you

 

[kiwiii]

I'm sure it's not the point of this particular thread but perhaps it can now be the thread to discuss different statistics...

which leads me to my point! Was goin through the team stats on the AFL website and found that West Coast have had the fewest clangers in the AFL. It's interesting because it seems a lot of users on this board like to point out how much we butcher the ball...

Admittedly I've thought it myself during a couple of matches, where we've been quite poor with our ball use.

clangers as it turn out though aren't just classified as poor kicks but also dropped marks, frees against, 50m penalties, basically any error. Even so its somewhat surprising that we are the most disciplined in this regard.

 

[BradWCE]

I'm sure it's not the point of this particular thread but perhaps it can now be the thread to discuss different statistics...

which leads me to my point! Was goin through the team stats on the AFL website and found that West Coast have had the fewest clangers in the AFL. It's interesting because it seems a lot of users on this board like to point out how much we butcher the ball...

Admittedly I've thought it myself during a couple of matches, where we've been quite poor with our ball use.

clangers as it turn out though aren't just classified as poor kicks but also dropped marks, frees against, 50m penalties, basically any error. Even so its somewhat surprising that we are the most disciplined in this regard.

We are last in disposal efficiency.