League Cup League Cup 2023/24 (Winners: Liverpool)

[Topkent]

This has already been disproven.
He's an Ange fan.

Amazing how people struggle to understand this concept

 

[Topkent]

Case in point not being able to understand, but then I've read your posts so it's not surprising

 

[Art Vandelay_]

Ignorance is no excuse. If being called out on that is too tough you can slink back to your scouse safe space tail between the legs.
You have been proven wrong. Own it and move on.

Do some research lads.

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Never posted in our club thread (but had posted in others) until after Ange was appointed.

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Before Ange's June 6 appointment posting appears to comment on all clubs with no clear bias to anyone.
Maybe just a follower of football and a lover of Ange.

 

[Bradesmaen]

Endo doesnt move though, he just stands his ground, the point of the play is like a screen in basketball. Endo stands there and Virg runs right next to him so the guy (Colwill) trying to run with him just runs into Endo.

Happens at every set piece in every game in every league. But they ruled it out.

Justice was done in the end anyways so not to worry.

Did you not read the damn rule? He was offside, he impacted Colwill. Stop being Jod and start being smart for once.

 

[moomba]

Endo doesnt move though, he just stands his ground, the point of the play is like a screen in basketball. Endo stands there and Virg runs right next to him so the guy (Colwill) trying to run with him just runs into Endo.

Happens at every set piece in every game in every league. But they ruled it out.

Justice was done in the end anyways so not to worry.

By standing in the way of a defender you're interfering with play are you not?

It doesn't have to be a foul. Just interfering with play.

The whole point of a screen is to block an oncoming defender from defending.

 

[Bradesmaen]

By standing in the way of a defender you're interfering with play are you not?

It doesn't have to be a foul. Just interfering with play.

The whole point of a screen is to block an oncoming defender from defending.

How Jod thinks football works:

 

[jod23]

By standing in the way of a defender you're interfering with play are you not?

It doesn't have to be a foul. Just interfering with play.

The whole point of a screen is to block an oncoming defender from defending.

But these happen in every game at almost every set piece.

Just seems like nowadays VAR is running a fine tooth comb through every goal that is scored looking for ways to disallow it. It was supposed to be brought in to correct clear and obvious stuff that was missed.

It's a far cry from that nowadays.

 

[Bradesmaen]

But these happen in every game at almost every set piece.

Just seems like nowadays VAR is running a fine tooth comb through every goal that is scored looking for ways to disallow it. It was supposed to be brought in to correct clear and obvious stuff that was missed.

It's a far cry from that nowadays.

It was clear and obvious that it was missed. How can a player offside, obstructing an opposition player not be considered clear and obvious? Genuinely, explain it to me.

 

[moomba]

But these happen in every game at almost every set piece.

Just seems like nowadays VAR is running a fine tooth comb through every goal that is scored looking for ways to disallow it. It was supposed to be brought in to correct clear and obvious stuff that was missed.

It's a far cry from that nowadays.

I don't think they do. You see time and time again goals ruled out for an offside player interfering with the play.

You said it yourself. The purpose of the screen was to block the defender. So an offside player blocked a defender. Its not a foul, and I think people are confusing foul and offsides.

It's pretty straightforward.

 

[Frank Bunn]

It was clear and obvious that it was missed. How can a player offside, obstructing an opposition player not be considered clear and obvious? Genuinely, explain it to me.

It's not clear and obvious because there's a different interpretation of impeding an opponent to this incident at every corner kick. I've seen basketball type blocks for other van Dijk headers, defenders hanging onto forwards, blocks on keepers - all not given or referred by VAR to the monitor.

I wonder if it will prompt discussion of whether the offside law should be changed to remove that section about impeding an opponent. It's already an offence under the other rules. Duplicating the rule under the offside law has led to this ambiguity.

 

[Bradesmaen]

It's not clear and obvious because there's a different interpretation of impeding an opponent to this incident at every corner kick. I've seen basketball type blocks for other van Dijk headers, defenders hanging onto forwards, blocks on keepers - all not given or referred by VAR to the monitor.

I wonder if it will prompt discussion of whether the offside law should be changed to remove that section about impeding an opponent. It's already an offence under the other rules. Duplicating the rule under the offside law has led to this ambiguity.

Yes but that's not involving an offside player. This involved a player clearly offside. How hard is that for people to understand? Offside, he impedes, it's no goal. Same with standing in front of a goal keeper in an offside position.

 

[Frank Bunn]

Yes but that's not involving an offside player. This involved a player clearly offside. How hard is that for people to understand? Offside, he impedes, it's no goal. Same with standing in front of a goal keeper in an offside position.

A player impedes another player then it's a foul. And from numerous corner kicks we have fairly established interpretations of what is given and what is not. What Endo did at a corner would not have been given as a foul. Bringing the offside rule into it just confuses the matter.

 

[moomba]

It's not clear and obvious because there's a different interpretation of impeding an opponent to this incident at every corner kick. I've seen basketball type blocks for other van Dijk headers, defenders hanging onto forwards, blocks on keepers - all not given or referred by VAR to the monitor.

I wonder if it will prompt discussion of whether the offside law should be changed to remove that section about impeding an opponent. It's already an offence under the other rules. Duplicating the rule under the offside law has led to this ambiguity.

That's because the interpretation is usually based on whether it's a foul or not.

And usually it's not.

In this case, whether its a foul or not isn't a consideration. It doesnt have to be a foul to be interfering with play.

 

[Frank Bunn]

That's because the interpretation is usually based on whether it's a foul or not.

And usually it's not.

In this case, whether its a foul or not isn't a consideration. It doesnt have to be a foul to be interfering with play.

That's a valid argument. Then it becomes a subjective discussion of whether Endo was interfering with play. The ref didn't give it, I don't think it was a clear and obvious error for VAR to overturn.

 

[Bradesmaen]

A player impedes another player then it's a foul. And from numerous corner kicks we have fairly established interpretations of what is given and what is not. What Endo did at a corner would not have been given as a foul. Bringing the offside rule into it just confuses the matter.

But he's offside. The law states that. Read the god damn law, how many times do people have to be told? The law states what it states. Take it up with IFAB if you're unhappy.

That's a valid argument. Then it becomes a subjective discussion of whether Endo was interfering with play. The ref didn't give it, I don't think it was a clear and obvious error for VAR to overturn.

The ref didn't give it because he didn't see it, nor did he know it was offside. Hence clear and obvious error.

 

[Frank Bunn]

The ref didn't give it because he didn't see it, nor did he know it was offside. Hence clear and obvious error.

Whether a player is in an offside position is objective and not up to the ref to decide. Whether a player committed a foul or interfered with the play is subjective. The ref had a clear view of it and gave the goal. Not a clear and obvious error.

 

[moomba]

That's what I'm not sure of. They say that clear and obvious test doesn't apply to offsides. You're either offside or you're not.

Whether that is the case only for "draw the line" offsides or all of them I don't know.

Either way, he was in an offside position and I think it was pretty evident that he interfered with play. jod23 even described the purpose of where he was standing and why, and it has to be a case of interfering.

 

[Bradesmaen]

Whether a player is in an offside position is objective and not up to the ref to decide. Whether a player committed a foul or interfered with the play is subjective. The ref had a clear view of it and gave the goal. Not a clear and obvious error.

Wtf are you on about? The referee couldn't give offside. He had no idea. Utter madness. I'm done.

 

[TheGreatBarryB]

Winning the league Cup is great. I know there are some more prestigious comps. But you don't think about that on the day.

Fantastic day out for the supporters, the players and staff love it and it's brilliant to get one under your belt leading into the final mo the of the season.

Don't understand any the "doesn't matter", "don't celebrate" talk.

I reckon it's a key competition IMO. Stay in it longer means more of your squad and youth are involved and get games and experience and then making the final is a great day out at Wembley for the fans and the players, great experience. Then if you win it, it's just a shot in the arm confidence wise for the run in at the end of the season. I love it. Glad we won it.

No surprise you’re fans of it considering your teams have won 9 of the past dozen. I like the tradition of it but seems one tournament too many these days.

 

[Sozabarus]

I'm done.

 

[QuietB]

Did you not read the damn rule? He was offside, he impacted Colwill. Stop being Jod and start being smart for once.

If that is the rule then every single time a player stands next to the goal keeper in an offside position it should be a free kick. Which means it will be an automatic free kick at 75% of corners.

 

[RPCB]

Winning the league Cup is great. I know there are some more prestigious comps. But you don't think about that on the day.

Fantastic day out for the supporters, the players and staff love it and it's brilliant to get one under your belt leading into the final mo the of the season.

Don't understand any the "doesn't matter", "don't celebrate" talk.

Fantastic day for Liverpool. Didn’t they beat Chelsea in the final with the same side that lost to Barrow in the EFL trophy in November?

 

[QuietB]

 

[moomba]

If that is the rule then every single time a player stands next to the goal keeper in an offside position it should be a free kick. Which means it will be an automatic free kick at 75% of corners.

Only if he/she interferes with play.

 

[RossFC]