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Murphkreuzmitch said:
What about hoops..Had very good skills, but was a pretty ordinary decision maker with ball in hand..

Just keep him away from the hard stuff..
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I dont know who you ever watched... but if you are saying that Hoops was a pretty ordinary decision maker, then you are sadly mistaken. There was a reason why Fev said that he preferred having Hoops kicking the ball into the forward 50.

If anything, I would get in Hoops to help Lucas with his decision making because I said way back when we recruited him that he would be a replacement for Scotland/Hoops.
 
Dramoth said:
I dont know who you ever watched... but if you are saying that Hoops was a pretty ordinary decision maker, then you are sadly mistaken. There was a reason why Fev said that he preferred having Hoops kicking the ball into the forward 50.

If anything, I would get in Hoops to help Lucas with his decision making because I said way back when we recruited him that he would be a replacement for Scotland/Hoops.
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Hoops kicking was sensational, which was reflected by Fev's comments. his decision making was terrible particularly by hand and in general play..Out of the back half he used to turn the ball over a fair bit..

Going forward to a lead up target (he always put the ball to advantage) and kicking for goal he was brilliant..

Anyway no point in engaging in a debate he is an ex player, played 200 games in some tough times for the club and we can both agree he had brilliant disposal..
 
Dramoth said:
I would introduce something like the Lloyd grass throwing routine in so that he stops thinking about the goal and does something that interrupts the racing thought processes. A relaxation routine... put the ball on the ground, pull up the socks, pick up the ball, grab a handful of grass and throw it in the air.
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My memories of Josh Kennedy are fading. Did he always have the pre-goal stutter, or is that something he learnt in a Claremont nightclub? ;)
 

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Azul said:
My memories of Josh Kennedy are fading. Did he always have the pre-goal stutter, or is that something he learnt in a Claremont nightclub? ;)
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I think that it is something that he picked up over there... I think that it came about because of his injuries after he went over there.
 
Dramoth said:
I dont think that it is a matter of relearning his kicking action, but adjusting it so that he is getting the best out of what he has. As someone else said, it could be a touch mental as well so I would introduce something like the Lloyd grass throwing routine in so that he stops thinking about the goal and does something that interrupts the racing thought processes. A relaxation routine... put the ball on the ground, pull up the socks, pick up the ball, grab a handful of grass and throw it in the air.

He has a monster boot on him. We have seen the footage of him slotting them from anywhere on the 50 in the VFL and there was that 50m snap from the boundary line against the scum last year. If he latches on to one... I can see him sailing it through from 60.
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Think you are onto something here. I remember him slotting one from 50 out on the boundary last year. If everything clicks for him, he could become a weapon.
 
Levi's kicking can be improved in a few hours with a real coach ..someone who understands geometry and some basic physics.

To change his bad kicking Habits will take a bit longer and a session with a decent Psychologist who specializes in Habit breaking behaviors ...Like a Carey Mumford ...
 
Any chance of us bring in a specialist forward coach to work one on one with our forwards?

I remember reading somewhere we brought in a specialist coach to work on Fev's kicking, and running patterns early on in his career.
 
Great game from Levi. Good that there was often someone front and centre after he led and marked to take it off him - that's playing to your strengths!

His kicking action can be fixed very quickly. There are a few things he needs to work on but by far the biggest flaw he has is the ball drop. It is not smooth (i.e. can "flick" the right hand off the ball) and the release point is far too high, which exacerbates any off-axis ball tumble.
 
ShanDog said:
Great game from Levi. Good that there was often someone front and centre after he led and marked to take it off him - that's playing to your strengths!

His kicking action can be fixed very quickly. There are a few things he needs to work on but by far the biggest flaw he has is the ball drop. It is not smooth (i.e. can "flick" the right hand off the ball) and the release point is far too high, which exacerbates any off-axis ball tumble.
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Welcome aboard SD. :thumbsu:

Let's hope Casboult continues his progress and his confidence in marking contests spills over to accurate kicking. He will be pleasure to watch when it all clicks for him.
 
Blue DNA said:
Welcome aboard SD. :thumbsu:

Let's hope Casboult continues his progress and his confidence in marking contests spills over to accurate kicking. He will be pleasure to watch when it all clicks for him.
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Cheers. Have been reading and posting (mostly reading) the Talking Carlton forum for a while now, but just discovered I can access BigFooty from work lol. So much time to be wasted now...

I hate to get too excited by what Levi showed us on the weekend, but gee it's hard not to! I know everyone loves how big the guy is, but I can't help thinking if he were a little leaner, his agility will be a little better that what it is, and he may not run out of puff like he can. Perhaps that is just a case of needing more matches and gaining long-term fitness and conditioning.
 

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ShanDog said:
I hate to get too excited by what Levi showed us on the weekend, but gee it's hard not to! I know everyone loves how big the guy is, but I can't help thinking if he were a little leaner, his agility will be a little better that what it is, and he may not run out of puff like he can. Perhaps that is just a case of needing more matches and gaining long-term fitness and conditioning.
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Firstly, welcome ShanDog.

Secondly, the reason I've been impressed with Casboult this year to date is largely for the reason that he hasn't run out of puff.
Have been watching him run all around the ground in recent weeks and a recall to the seniors was inevitable.

We have a guy now that can mark in the forward line one minute, contest on the wing the next and capable of a saving mark in the opposition goal-square shortly after.........................and he can ruck.

Keep that work-load up and you'd be a fool to drop him.
 
HARKER said:
Firstly, welcome ShanDog.

Secondly, the reason I've been impressed with Casboult this year to date is largely for the reason that he hasn't run out of puff.
Have been watching him run all around the ground in recent weeks and a recall to the seniors was inevitable.

We have a guy now that can mark in the forward line one minute, contest on the wing the next and capable of a saving mark in the opposition goal-square shortly after.........................and he can ruck.

Keep that work-load up and you'd be a fool to drop him.
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Interesting Harks, quite a few said Rowe ran out of puff in his last senior game. I have reason to doubt this but you are a bit closer to what is really happening than some here. What's your view on Sam's tank/match fitness. He contributed very well when he came but now Levi is grasping his opportunity just like he is grasping his marks.
 
Blue DNA said:
Interesting Harks, quite a few said Rowe ran out of puff in his last senior game. I have reason to doubt this but you are a bit closer to what is really happening than some here. What's your view on Sam's tank/match fitness. He contributed very well when he came but now Levi is grasping his opportunity just like he is grasping his marks.
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Alike Casboult, Rowe is being used forward, in the ruck and then in the back-line in the VFL.

That's why I don't care for the result as there is a master plan at work that transcends the win in these games and it's all about development.

I know Webster has to front up and look a bit dour for his team losing but who cares when our AFL listed players will be better off for the experience?

That's exactly why we wanted our team in the first place and the boys haven't adopted a defeatist attitude here but one of happy to learn new tricks and to become a better player for it.
 
I think that what's happening is that Levi and Sam are both being groomed into a forward/ruck roll and, who knows, we could be looking for another 'experienced' KPD* to come in so that we could move Henderson into the forward line.

However what this could mean is that one of our two spare rucks will be dispensed with at the end of the year and we will keep the remaining ruck in reserve and go with 2 tall forwards and 1 forward/ruck who rotates with the playing ruck.

We could also look for another rookie tall forward to work on while we are finishing off developing Mitchell to take over from Waite.

* Experienced as in they have 1-2 years left in their career while we finish off the development work on Watson and McCarthy.
 
HARKER said:
That's why I don't care for the result as there is a master plan at work that transcends the win in these games and it's all about development. ...
the boys haven't adopted a defeatist attitude here but one of happy to learn new tricks and to become a better player for it.
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Glad to hear this from you Harker. It's a good reminder as well that although losses like Fridays are flipping painful, MM has a longer term perspective at play. And as Dram has said:

Dramoth said:
I think that what's happening is that Levi and Sam are both being groomed into a forward/ruck roll and, who knows, we could be looking for another 'experienced' KPD* to come in so that we could move Henderson into the forward line.

However what this could mean is that one of our two spare rucks will be dispensed with at the end of the year and we will keep the remaining ruck in reserve and go with 2 tall forwards and 1 forward/ruck who rotates with the playing ruck.

We could also look for another rookie tall forward to work on while we are finishing off developing Mitchell to take over from Waite.

* Experienced as in they have 1-2 years left in their career while we finish off the development work on Watson and McCarthy.
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This would add to our flexibility having KPD/KPFs who can hold down a second ruck position. Makes sense. I think you are both suggesting that we are more likely to gain from developing our KP talls into 2nd ruck (Levi and Sam), than the other way around (Kreuzer and Hampson) being transformed into KPFs. Am I reading that correctly?
 
Blue DNA said:
Glad to hear this from you Harker. It's a good reminder as well that although losses like Fridays are flipping painful, MM has a longer term perspective at play. And as Dram has said:



This would add to our flexibility having KPD/KPFs who can hold down a second ruck position. Makes sense. I think you are both suggesting that we are more likely to gain from developing our KP talls into 2nd ruck (Levi and Sam), than the other way around (Kreuzer and Hampson) being transformed into KPFs. Am I reading that correctly?
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Basically yes. I can see us getting in a new KPD (possibly Rutten (unrestricted free agent)) so we could move Henderson forward permanently. This would allow us to play a two permanent tall forwards with a forward/ruck as the third tall.

This way, we could player Kreuzer and Casboult/Rowe or Hampson with Casboult/Rowe as the second rucks while constantly maintaining our tall timber up front.

The resting ruckman could either head to the pine for a break or head down into the pocket to assist in stretching the opposition defence.
 
Dramoth said:
Basically yes. I can see us getting in a new KPD (possibly Rutten (unrestricted free agent)) so we could move Henderson forward permanently. This would allow us to play a two permanent tall forwards with a forward/ruck as the third tall.

This way, we could player Kreuzer and Casboult/Rowe or Hampson with Casboult/Rowe as the second rucks while constantly maintaining our tall timber up front.

The resting ruckman could either head to the pine for a break or head down into the pocket to assist in stretching the opposition defence.
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Sounds good Dram. I think this has more long term pay off than trying to convert our ruck men into KPFs. There is a lot of upside if we patiently develop Levi and Sam, and go hard for a KPD. Well thought through.
 
Blue DNA said:
Sounds good Dram. I think this has more long term pay off than trying to convert our ruck men into KPFs. There is a lot of upside if we patiently develop Levi and Sam, and go hard for a KPD. Well thought through.
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The biggest upshot of it all... is that if we get in a 30 year old KP defender (same age as Waite) for a couple of years... we can put a couple more years unpressured development into the likes of Watson, Mitchell and McCarthy and by the time that Waite and the defender retire in a couple of years, we will Jamo assuming the senior role with Watson AND/OR McCarthy stepping into the second best defender role and up front, you will have Henderson AND/OR Rowe as the senior forward with Mitchell as the second tall forward with Casboult playing that roaming tall forward/second ruck role.

That way... we get a very good spine going forward of:
Jamison
Watson/McCarthy
Kreuzer (Casboult)
Henderson (Casboult)
Mitchell

This would also give us the option of, if McCarthy is as versatile as people say, swapping Henderson and McCarthy as required.

Who wouldnt be happy with a spine like that?

And in a couple of years, we could end up with a defence of:

Tuohy, Jamison, McCarthy
Armfield, Watson, Temay

And a forward line of:

Garlett, Henderson, Menzel
Casboult, Mitchell, Yarran
 
HARKER said:
Alike Casboult, Rowe is being used forward, in the ruck and then in the back-line in the VFL.

That's why I don't care for the result as there is a master plan at work that transcends the win in these games and it's all about development.

I know Webster has to front up and look a bit dour for his team losing but who cares when our AFL listed players will be better off for the experience?

That's exactly why we wanted our team in the first place and the boys haven't adopted a defeatist attitude here but one of happy to learn new tricks and to become a better player for it.
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Exactly, it was great to hear Malthouse say that despite the big loss there were four or five senior listed players who had impressed by doing everything that was asked from them.

Harker, any guess who those four or five might be?
 
Dramoth said:
The biggest upshot of it all... is that if we get in a 30 year old KP defender (same age as Waite) for a couple of years... we can put a couple more years unpressured development into the likes of Watson, Mitchell and McCarthy and by the time that Waite and the defender retire in a couple of years, we will Jamo assuming the senior role with Watson AND/OR McCarthy stepping into the second best defender role and up front, you will have Henderson AND/OR Rowe as the senior forward with Mitchell as the second tall forward with Casboult playing that roaming tall forward/second ruck role.

That way... we get a very good spine going forward of:
Jamison
Watson/McCarthy
Kreuzer (Casboult)
Henderson (Casboult)
Mitchell

This would also give us the option of, if McCarthy is as versatile as people say, swapping Henderson and McCarthy as required.

Who wouldnt be happy with a spine like that?

And in a couple of years, we could end up with a defence of:

Tuohy, Jamison, McCarthy
Armfield, Watson, Temay

And a forward line of:

Garlett, Henderson, Menzel
Casboult, Mitchell, Yarran
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Sounds pretty great....if all goes to plan not to mention Henderson and Jamison will no doubt get better with more experience in the team. Haven't had an quality and experienced defender in our back half for many years now.

edit: Like a Darren Glass type leading the troops down back.
 

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