Coach Luke Beveridge & the Dogs - is his time up? Where are they at?

[L_W_P]

Is he an average coach holding back an absolutely gun list or is he a gun coach getting the most out of some pretty average players? Almost reminding me more of a Ross Lyon or Keven Sheedy type where he's able to bring some dead set plodders up a level and paper over the cracks. This then stops the team from properly developing and fixing their issues.

Yep they have English, Bont, Libba & Macrae in the middle. Then what? Treloar has peaked and is copping 'old man' injuries. Smith is up and down like a yo-yo and the rest of their mids are ok-ish players.

They have a gun in Naughton. A developing gun in JUH. A nice small forward in Weightman. Then what? A few VFL blokes that Bevo likes.

In defence they have Richards, Dale & Daniel racking up stats but that could be said about 90% of the half backs in the comp. Jones is their best defender by a mile and he's well over 30.

I rekon the media have been absolutely sucked in by the star power of their top 5-6 guys and that's filtered down to the general public who then think that the Dogs have an amazing list.

 

[Lavender Bushranger]

Coach gets angry. Such a non story. They all lose their s**t.

I don't think his time is up. Needs to tweak a few things, yes, but we'll bounce back.

Everyone gets angry.

It's how you express your anger that is relevant.

 

[Iago]

Always seems to have a perpetually confused look on his face.

 

[jj1978]

Always seems to have a perpetually confused look on his face.

That’s just resting biatch face.

 

[Elmer_Hauser]

Bulldogs have entered no man's land under Bevo

 

[_Cerberus_]

Bulldogs have entered no man's land under Bevo

Have to wonder what goes on in the change rooms at half time every week. Teams come out in the third quarter and run all over us, almost every single week.

Hey, we lead by 4 goals with the Giants kicking into the wind. Lets play high press football and leave our defenders play 10m off their man, and turn it over playing dumb football, and not being able to lock it inside 50. Lets stick to it for a whole quarter and make no adjustments as they pile on 6 goals. Was a solid Bevo fan, but not making any tactical changes in the third lost me.

This is your typical Dogs game each week. Start the game on fire, dominate the middle and inside 50s, but don't do enough damage on the scoreboard. Let teams close the margin in the second quarter, Dogs wake up and push the margin back out. After half time, teams run over them piling on 5 or 6 goals in the third quarter. Dogs forget how to defend the field, midfield goes to sleep, stagnate in ball movement from defensive 50, create little inside the forward line. Scrap it out in the last quarter, but cannot get the game back on their terms. Rinse and Repeat, its so predictable now.

That is pretty much every Bulldogs game this year. Same issues, nothing has changed. That is on the coaches and fitness staff. Though players making poor decisions doesn't help either. Don't see the intensity, and pressure the top few teams play with.

 

[Bushdid911]

We signed him up for 2 more years after a disappointing loss where we led by a lot, so I assume he will get another 2 years after this.

 

[Back One Out]

Is he an average coach holding back an absolutely gun list or is he a gun coach getting the most out of some pretty average players? Almost reminding me more of a Ross Lyon or Keven Sheedy type where he's able to bring some dead set plodders up a level and paper over the cracks. This then stops the team from properly developing and fixing their issues.

Yep they have English, Bont, Libba & Macrae in the middle. Then what? Treloar has peaked and is copping 'old man' injuries. Smith is up and down like a yo-yo and the rest of their mids are ok-ish players.

They have a gun in Naughton. A developing gun in JUH. A nice small forward in Weightman. Then what? A few VFL blokes that Bevo likes.

In defence they have Richards, Dale & Daniel racking up stats but that could be said about 90% of the half backs in the comp. Jones is their best defender by a mile and he's well over 30.

I rekon the media have been absolutely sucked in by the star power of their top 5-6 guys and that's filtered down to the general public who then think that the Dogs have an amazing list.

Nah, mate... I disagree with this. They had a great season in 2021 when they won 18 games and led the Dees by 20 points midway through the 3rd quarter of the Grand Final. That isn't a team filled with "dead set plodders" who are "papering over the cracks".

You say "5 or 6 stars", but I count 12 or 13.

They have All Australian calibre players on every line


Liam Jones... was holding down full back nicely before he got hurt. Big loss.
Bailey Dale... AA 2021... quality player
Caleb Daniel.. AA 2020... good user of the ball
Ed Richards... having a great year... a possible for the AA squad
Tim English... one of the best young ruckmen in the comp.
Marcus Bontempelli... many people think he is AFL's top dog
Tom Liberatore... one of the in-form mids, a possible for AA squad.
Adam Treloar... probably a bit underrated. He wins a ton of ball and can kick a goal.
Jack Macrae... 3-time All Australian
Bailey Smith... Absolute jet who is having an off year. Needs to wake up to himself.
Aaron Naughton... one of the gun KPFs in the comp, but has accuracy issues.
Jamarra Ugle-Hagan... the number 1 pick hasn't fully matured yet... runs hot and cold.
Cody Weightman.... gun small forward... getting better

I've left out Johannisen, but he's okay.
Rory Lobb is occasionally handy as a 2nd ruck/tall forward. He can play. It's just a matter of unlocking it.
Poulter and West have shown a bit this year.
Duryea, Gardner and Williams are serviceable



The injuries to Alex Keath and Liam Jones have hurt them. Bevo is definitely papering over the cracks in defence.

They have a potentially mouth-watering forward line who just can't quite put it together on a consistent basis
They'll be giving the opposition some headaches in a year or two.

The pieces are there for another flag tilt. They have the cattle. They are just not performing.
At the moment, too much is left to too few.

 

[_Mike_]

The pieces are there for another flag tilt. They have the cattle. They are just not performing.
At the moment, too much is left to too few.

Better summarised, as put by another Dogs supporter, at full strength the Dogs push top 4, but 2-3 injuries from mediocrity. Our list is not balanced & the gap between top 6 and bottom 6 is too wide.

 

[kreuze_missile]

Every dogs supporter I know wants him gone. The entire bulldogs forum wants him gone.

But I genuinely think he's getting the most out of a pretty ordinary list.

Their top end talent is a good as any but their list falls off a cliff once you get beyond the first dozen names.

 

[Elmer_Hauser]

Every dogs supporter I know wants him gone. The entire bulldogs forum wants him gone.

But I genuinely think he's getting the most out of a pretty ordinary list.

Their top end talent is a good as any but their list falls off a cliff once you get beyond the first dozen names.

Liam Jones injury has really hurt the Dogs imo

Their backline right now seems to be their biggest Achilles Heel.

 

[kreuze_missile]

Liam Jones injury has really hurt the Dogs imo

Their backline right now seems to be their biggest Achilles Heel.

Backline is very poor.

But so is ~10 of their best 22.

 

[Elmer_Hauser]

Backline is very poor.

But so is ~10 of their best 22.

Their midfield is overrated and doesn't battle deep I agree.

They are nowhere near a top 4/flag threat team imho

 

[Nat Fyfe]

Every dogs supporter I know wants him gone. The entire bulldogs forum wants him gone.

But I genuinely think he's getting the most out of a pretty ordinary list.

Their top end talent is a good as any but their list falls off a cliff once you get beyond the first dozen names.

This very topic has been discussed a lot on the Dogs board. Is our 12th to 25th best talent any worse than any other side? On paper, there are some bog average players executing their roles in all the top sides.

Pies are top of the ladder with Noble, Murphy, WHE, Markov, Lipinski, Cox all being selected most weeks assuming they’re fit. Is that group really any better than Scott, Williams, Keath, Poulter, West and Vandermeer, or is their coach simply getting the most out of their strengths while compensating for their weaknesses?

I think there’s some issues with certain roles not being filled (we had no tall defensive interceptor or small pressure forward this week for example) but overall I think our list is at least top 4 quality

 

[bresker]

Why did your mob give him an extension after a poor season? Like, what was the rush?

He’s got friends on the board and they back him in . It’s a cosy board and no-one rocks the boat .

 

[Giant Pete]

English taking the last kick-in with game on the line… that seems like the grandest of all Beveridges crazy ideas.

 

[Outtatym]

English taking the last kick-in with game on the line… that seems like the grandest of all Beveridges crazy ideas.

Surely that wasnt part of the plan

 

[candyapple]

They will flat track it against WC next weekend and everything will be fine again.

 

[Lavender Bushranger]

English taking the last kick-in with game on the line… that seems like the grandest of all Beveridges crazy ideas.

To be fair, Lewis' decision to have a shot from 55m with 60 seconds on the clock was the dumbest thing I've seen in years.

 

[_Cerberus_]

English taking the last kick-in with game on the line… that seems like the grandest of all Beveridges crazy ideas.

That was stuff all to do with Bevo, that is English himself telling Richards near by to get stuffed, and trying to take it on himself, because he knew time was running out and he panicked.

Bevo rightyfully cops some heat, but players need to start being made accountable. Lazy running, missing shots from 20m in tight games, missing tackles, dropping uncontested marks, choosing to kick to a lone player surrounded by 3-4 opposition players. All that is on the players.

Sadly there seems to be a common theme for most Dog games this year, even in big wins. Dogs start off hot, have a great first quarter. Freely running and moving the ball, mostly winning the center, a functioning forward line. Some questions whether we should have put more damage on the scoreboard with some of the one sided opening quarters we have. Then in the second quarter, the team stagnates, struggles to get the ball out the defensive half, forward line function ceases to exist, the opposition team reels us back in on the scoreboard, Dogs get a junk time goal or two to steady ship. Come out after half time flat as, and get smashed in the third quarters as teams run all over them. Fourth quarter is still one sided in favour of the opposition, but less damage on the scoreboard. Sometimes the Dogs will lift hard for a 10 or 15 minute patch, but the damage is already done, or they make mistakes in the final few minutes when it looked like they might just sneak the win. Rinse and Repeat all season long.

I do wonder what goes on at half time in the change rooms. We come out flat after half time always. Where are the coaches and leaders revving up the players? Why do they come out and play like boys and not men?

Yes our coaching, and and structures are poor at times. But the players themselves are to blame for the most part. Take out our first quarters, the Dogs would probably be in the bottom six. Fans and the media overate this team.

Need a fresh game plan and a rejuvenation in the middle. But I have lost faith in how the club is run, from the coaches, to the people around the coaching team, and certain members of the clubs day to day operations.

 

[brmi]

Yes.

 

[Lavender Bushranger]

I want you to think about something. Close your eyes for a minute, and consider this...

Where would the Dogs be without Bont?

 

[_Mike_]

I want you to think about something. Close your eyes for a minute, and consider this...

Where would the Dogs be without Bont?

The near future without Libba is enough of a predictor

 

[ItsAllAboutMe]

He won them a flag, but having the list he has and not making the finals has to have some real pressure on him..

 

[Lavender Bushranger]

He won them a flag, but having the list he has and not making the finals has to have some real pressure on him..

The umpires did.