Lukey McGuane! [2012 Thread]

[leemo]

To all of his haters, I cannot for the life of me comprehend your arguments.
Let's see out of these guys who deserves a game before Luke and why/why not:
Elton: NO- Hasn't played one pre-season game. NEXT
Astbury: NO-He's injured. NEXT
O'Hanlon: NO- still young, raw and not played a proper game yet this pre-season. NEXT
A. Edwards: NO- has got no where near it this pre season. NEXT
Knights: NO- has been injured for the past month and needs more match fitness. NEXT
Derrickx: NO- coming back from injury and is not that good anyhow.

You guys harp on about how bad Luke is, however, when you actually take your blinkers off and look at the situation, I would bet both nuts that you cannot legitimately give an excuse as to why any of our other forward options have a) shown and produced more than Luke this pre-season and b) if any of these guys were picked, how on earth they would perform better at AFL level.

Read through the last 3 or so pages of this thread and was going to post almost exactly the same thing.
All people want to do is spout crap that he should be out of the side whilst not actually thinking about who would legitimately replace him.
We may have younger players who we could gift spots to and if this was 3 seasons ago I'm sure elton/O'hanlon/anyone would be given the nod ahead of him, however he has done enough and there is no better option at the moment, and this is why he was given a contract extension- we need him!

Good post Lukey D

 

[Harmichael]

Let's see out of these guys who deserves a game before Luke and why/why not:

Elton: NO- Hasn't played one pre-season game. NEXT Well he should've -still better than McGoof
Astbury: NO-He's injured. NEXT
O'Hanlon: EASILY YES Has demonstrated more in his brief appearances than Lukey has in his entire career.
A. Edwards: YES Lazy spud but rarely misses sodas , takes contested marks,can take speccys, has performed in big games, better than McGoof
Knights: Well slightly irrelevant as he's not really a third tall, but I'd still play him in luie of third tall if that third tall was McGoof.
Derrickx: Well the brains trust seem to be playing him back atm but YES If Lukey gets 8 years of the benefit of the doubt to serve up crap then surely we can afford him a couple. Still seen your boy drop more a lot simple no-presssure chest marks than him. Seems just a good a tackler at least.
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Next....

 

[JAKLAUGHING]

LOL...your not wrong DrMike this thread is the thread that keeps on giving...some classic laughs......

 

[sregit]

put your points in number order and I will make an effort to respond, however, no matter how many times I and supposedly other McGuane hatters point out the fact that the only performances you have raised in his defence were against lowly sides. Go back and look at his stats from last year. To defend him what do you throw up his performance against the dogs. Another rabble of a side. Show me fact where he actually has performed against better sides. Don't throw up the same deluded responses.

 

[sregit]

Read through the last 3 or so pages of this thread and was going to post almost exactly the same thing.
All people want to do is spout crap that he should be out of the side whilst not actually thinking about who would legitimately replace him.
We may have younger players who we could gift spots to and if this was 3 seasons ago I'm sure elton/O'hanlon/anyone would be given the nod ahead of him, however he has done enough and there is no better option at the moment, and this is why he was given a contract extension- we need him!

Good post Lukey D

Why do we have to have a third tall, therefore, he does not have to be replaced with the talls mentioned. IMO we would get better value from a small. Vickers will be in before McGuane regardless of his form if fit. Argument for Mcguane should only come into play if we have more injury to Tallis. Even with Vickery playing injured last year we had better structure and played better football as a team than when McGuane replaced him. Yes I don't rate McGuane. Yes I'd play a young player before him but there is no need to play a third tall at this stage.

 

[The Sock Drawer]

put your points in number order and I will make an effort to respond, however, no matter how many times I and supposedly other McGuane hatters point out the fact that the only performances you have raised in his defence were against lowly sides. Go back and look at his stats from last year. To defend him what do you throw up his performance against the dogs. Another rabble of a side. Show me fact where he actually has performed against better sides. Don't throw up the same deluded responses.

Sorry sregit.

had to do it...

 

[tigerdan]

Can I ask you the following questions? What is the point at which you will admit this guy is no good? When he ***** up again and again are you going to still support him? Everyone admits he is battler after 8 years on the list, do you really believe he will improve Richmond? IMO he won't.

I'll answer your questions but in some ways it's kind of a moot point because I don't see him being on the list at the end of the year, unless he somehow blitzes it. Note that I say 'somehow' because I don't think he is going to blitz it. I just think he'll play about 11 to 15 games and kick about 20 goals. No-one is saying he is a gun, even the most passionate of supporters.

Q1: For me to admit I was wrong he would have to play say the first 4 games, barely get a sniff and be dropped for the rest of the year. That's about what Post did last year (though I think he was dropped after 1 game). And I think Luke is a better player than Post, that's for sure.

Actually I think that's why I object to all the 'haters' because I think he is certainly not the worst player on the list. You'd have to at least think he is better than Derrickx, but Derrickx does not get the childish 'mcgoof' tags.

Q2: If he ***** it up again and again i'll be pissed off at him for sure. Of course, "cocking it up" is fairly open ended. Cocking up could be kicking 1.5, or it could be the infamous fumble in the goal square. But if he ***** it up suck that we lose the game well of course I wont support him.

Q3: Do I really believe that he will improve Richmond? Well yes, now that he is a forward. We have more than enough backmen (touch wood) such that he wont play there. So that is an improvement immediately. As to will he improve the forward line, well we have to play someone there.

If we pencil in Riewloldt and Vickery (and Vickery is not in great form), then there is probably room for one more tall, even if it means starting on the bench. Who will that tall be? Astbury wont play Rd 1 and you'd think Elton and Derrickx wont either. I doubt any of the rookie tall kids will get a game in Rd 1. So that leaves maybe Griffiths if played forward (but it seems he is a backman now), or maybe A Edwards, who is not in great touch either. So kind of by default I think McGuane will play.

I think his career as a backman is not relevant. He is getting a game as a forward due to his performance as a forward. And those performances have been good enough to get a game.

 

[JAKLAUGHING]

Mad hatters....hahaha...its the thread that keeps on giving...love it...

 

[sregit]

I'll answer your questions but in some ways it's kind of a moot point because I don't see him being on the list at the end of the year, unless he somehow blitzes it. Note that I say 'somehow' because I don't think he is going to blitz it. I just think he'll play about 11 to 15 games and kick about 20 goals. No-one is saying he is a gun, even the most passionate of supporters.

Q1: For me to admit I was wrong he would have to play say the first 4 games, barely get a sniff and be dropped for the rest of the year. That's about what Post did last year (though I think he was dropped after 1 game). And I think Luke is a better player than Post, that's for sure.

Actually I think that's why I object to all the 'haters' because I think he is certainly not the worst player on the list. You'd have to at least think he is better than Derrickx, but Derrickx does not get the childish 'mcgoof' tags.

Q2: If he ***** it up again and again i'll be pissed off at him for sure. Of course, "cocking it up" is fairly open ended. Cocking up could be kicking 1.5, or it could be the infamous fumble in the goal square. But if he ***** it up suck that we lose the game well of course I wont support him.

Q3: Do I really believe that he will improve Richmond? Well yes, now that he is a forward. We have more than enough backmen (touch wood) such that he wont play there. So that is an improvement immediately. As to will he improve the forward line, well we have to play someone there.

If we pencil in Riewloldt and Vickery (and Vickery is not in great form), then there is probably room for one more tall, even if it means starting on the bench. Who will that tall be? Astbury wont play Rd 1 and you'd think Elton and Derrickx wont either. I doubt any of the rookie tall kids will get a game in Rd 1. So that leaves maybe Griffiths if played forward (but it seems he is a backman now), or maybe A Edwards, who is not in great touch either. So kind of by default I think McGuane will play.

I think his career as a backman is not relevant. He is getting a game as a forward due to his performance as a forward. And those performances have been good enough to get a game.

Love your response here. Yes McGuane is better than Derickx, however, Most unlikely he will play a game unless injuries demand it and if that is that case, then so be it as we most likely would be out of contention. People don't hang it on Derickx as much for he is not in the spotlight. I would delist him also. You stated 4 games as a rough guide. I actually think we would be better off without a third tall and don't believe he will get anymore than 6 total for the year. Can not see how he improves the forward line as he gets cheap goals when we play lowly side. Anyway pointless arguing any more about him. If he gets a run early, we can only let performances determine his worth. Don't think he can deliver but would be happy for him to make a liar out of me.

 

[Heisenberg_]

Feel free to disagree with people's opinions, but attack the post, not the poster please.

 

[CoggaRules]

Love your response here. Yes McGuane is better than Derickx, however, Most unlikely he will play a game unless injuries demand it and if that is that case, then so be it as we most likely would be out of contention. People don't hang it on Derickx as much for he is not in the spotlight. I would delist him also. You stated 4 games as a rough guide. I actually think we would be better off without a third tall and don't believe he will get anymore than 6 total for the year. Can not see how he improves the forward line as he gets cheap goals when we play lowly side. Anyway pointless arguing any more about him. If he gets a run early, we can only let performances determine his worth. Don't think he can deliver but would be happy for him to make a liar out of me.

gee that has to be the accolade of the century..

 

[Goldust]

gee that has to be the accolade of the century..

A bit like saying there are better drinks than carrot juice

 

[Kyusss]

yep, fair enough.
Just not sure we have a better option to serve this function. If this is what Dimma intends.

Im not sure we desperately need a 3rd tall right now tbh

Vickery is obviously our 2nd target and we can all see he has a while to go before he runs himself back into form , i think he will be a very very good player once his got confidence in his body

I dont mind the idea of playing our resting midfield gun out of the square cotchin deledio and martin are more than capable of playing out of the square when resting from the midfield, these guys play as genuine targets giving us 3 good targets inside forward 50 most of the time

Would be great to have a medium forward step up and play as a leading target that can hit up and turn his opponent inside out hopefully OHanlon develops or Aaron Edwards can force his way in, Ive really liked what ive seen from Shane Edwards this pre season and last season but his more suited a little higher right now and isnt an inside 50 target player

 

[CoggaRules]

at the end of the day it comes down to the fact that Luke has put in and contributed in the praccies and thats all he can do atm...so whether that gets him a gig or not is up to the brains trust..he has at least held up his side of the bargain..

 

[The Sock Drawer]

Im not sure we desperately need a 3rd tall right now tbh

Vickery is obviously our 2nd target and we can all see he has a while to go before he runs himself back into form , i think he will be a very very good player once his got confidence in his body

I dont mind the idea of playing our resting midfield gun out of the square cotchin deledio and martin are more than capable of playing out of the square when resting from the midfield, these guys play as genuine targets giving us 3 good targets inside forward 50 most of the time

Would be great to have a medium forward step up and play as a leading target that can hit up and turn his opponent inside out hopefully OHanlon develops or Aaron Edwards can force his way in, Ive really liked what ive seen from Shane Edwards this pre season and last season but his more suited a little higher right now and isnt an inside 50 target player

A big mongrel that can throw his weight around with an emphasis on creating space rather than taking it up (like a pure marking target) is the type of role I'm trying to describe... (bumping, screening, tackling, holding ground)
This doesn't really fit the description a third tall...
I think there is room for this type of player alongside Jack and Vickery.
Needs to be a smart player with a team mindset though. ..?

 

[nobulltiger]

at the end of the day it comes down to the fact that Luke has put in and contributed in the praccies and thats all he can do atm...so whether that gets him a gig or not is up to the brains trust..he has at least held up his side of the bargain..

It's also been continued from real game form last year. Luke is 100% in the tigers starting 22 right now.

His transformation into the forward line is obvious, that is where he belongs. People are blind and can't admit they were wrong to think of delisting him etc....so what, move on and appreciate the player he is now as a forward not what he was as a defender. Something is working out for him now, he is in a tiger jumper so lets support him.

 

[DrMike]

I am absolutely going to piss my pants laughing if McGuane doesn't get named for round 1 after all this talk

 

[nut]

at the end of the day it comes down to the fact that Luke has put in and contributed in the praccies and thats all he can do atm...so whether that gets him a gig or not is up to the brains trust..he has at least held up his side of the bargain..

Yep and he did it for the last nine games last season

 

[sregit]

Yep and he did it for the last nine games last season

Rubbish. He did it against the teams who ended below us. Nothing against those that ended above us.

 

[Absolut Tigers]

Rubbish. He did it against the teams who ended below us. Nothing against those that ended above us.

Mcguane will play against Carlton. I am not a fan - get tired of him giving away stupid free kicks, 50 metre penalties, basic skills errors (anyone watched his Fremantle bloopers from last year) - however, has been really good through-out pre-season. Provides a contest, can take a mark, and creates great forward pressure.

 

[JAKLAUGHING]

Lets see now...

2012 final ladder results as follows...

Freo...North...Carlton...Essendon...played us in the final 9 rounds of the AFL season...
Freo...North...Carlton...Essendon...finished the 2012 AFL Season above us...

Luke McGuane played against Freo..........no goals...3 behinds...
Luke McGuane played against North........no goals...2 behinds...
Luke McGuane played against Carlton......1 goal......0 behinds...
Luke McGuane played against Essendon...2 goals....1 behind...

 

[tunksy]

heads up, jack does better against the lower ranked teams too!

 

[sregit]

Lets see now...

2012 final ladder results as follows...

Freo...North...Carlton...Essendon...played us in the final 9 rounds of the AFL season...
Freo...North...Carlton...Essendon...finished the 2012 AFL Season above us...

Luke McGuane played against Freo..........no goals...3 behinds...
Luke McGuane played against North........no goals...2 behinds...
Luke McGuane played against Carlton......1 goal......0 behinds...
Luke McGuane played against Essendon...2 goals....1 behind...

Three goals in four games. Two against Essendon who couldn't beat anyone.. Pathetic wasn't he! You are supporting my argument. Also remember his performance and **** ups in the freo game. I rest my case.

 

[JAKLAUGHING]

Just keep shifting the goal posts with your posts......
Lukey started playing forward for the Tigers from round 15 onwards...
His stats against the sides that finished above us shows an obvious progressive improvement...not bad for a backman who spent 8 years in the backline..
His total for the 2012 season was 15 goals 10 behinds from 9 games...i dont have his figures for the 2013 NAB games...

 

[nut]

He competes. And until the more talented learn to do the same he is safe