Malthouse or Dimma?

[TheOutsider74]

This is Part 4 (and the final part) of my tremendously popular thread, "A Collingwood Football Club Tragedy" in the Bay 13 section. Essentially, the thread put forward the view that by shafting Malhouse for Buckley, Eddie blew apart any chance of Collingwood establishing a Geelong/Brisbane type dynasty. Part 4 below basically espouses the view that the Tiges should have jumped at the chance to get Malthouse (one of the two best coaches of the last 40 odd years according to Leigh). Have a read and feel free to comment:

Part 4

As a Tiges fan, I should be deleriously happy at what should be Collingwood supporters' fury. However, I believe that, with Eddie McGuire’s massive error of judgement, the Richmond FC may have missed a golden opportunity. An opportunity to develop a list that shows great potential, into a team that roars likes its mascot. Malthouse would have been the person to have overseen that development. What a return of the prodigal son that would have been! Of course it would have meant the ousting of Damien Hardwick, a top, top bloke by anyone’s reckoning. In general, I believe a person’s word should be honored, and I understand why the Tiger’s board honoured their allegiance to Hardwick. The Tigers have done surprisingly well this year, and a win over the Bombers this week will stand them in good stead for the finals. But doubts linger over Hardwick’s coaching ability, despite the excellent second half of the season. The question should have been asked by Benny and the boys, like McGuire should have asked with the Buckley deal, do we stick with a prior arrangement and go down with a "sinking ship"-a sinking ship in this context for Richmond meaning anything less than a grand final appearance over the next two to three years. Or do we make the very tough call and get Mick Malthouse on board. I feel a degree of hypocrisy for saying this, but the Tiges should have pounced on Mick, and cut Dimma free. A very tough, and probably unethical call, but Dimma, in his heart of hearts, would have known it was the right thing to do. Espeically when the Tiges went back to back premiers in 2015-2016. In the meantime, Collingwood would have a coach who might or might not end up being a coaching legend, while the Tiges would have one who already is.

(PS Would be very happy if Dimma makes me eat humble Buckley pie)

 

[turtle27]

Dimma by a freaken mile. Mick's a flog and is past it.

 

[red bean]

This is Part 4 (and the final part) of my tremendously popular thread, "A Collingwood Football Club Tragedy" in the Bay 13 section. Essentially, the thread put forward the view that by shafting Malhouse for Buckley, Eddie blew apart any chance of Collingwood establishing a Geelong/Brisbane type dynasty. Part 4 below basically espouses the view that the Tiges should have jumped at the chance to get Malthouse (one of the two best coaches of the last 40 odd years according to Leigh). Have a read and feel free to comment:

Part 4

As a Tiges fan, I should be deleriously happy at what should be Collingwood supporters' fury. However, I believe that, with Eddie McGuire’s massive error of judgement, the Richmond FC may have missed a golden opportunity. An opportunity to develop a list that shows great potential, into a team that roars likes its mascot. Malthouse would have been the person to have overseen that development. What a return of the prodigal son that would have been! Of course it would have meant the ousting of Damien Hardwick, a top, top bloke by anyone’s reckoning. In general, I believe a person’s word should be honored, and I understand why the Tiger’s board honoured their allegiance to Hardwick. The Tigers have done surprisingly well this year, and a win over the Bombers this week will stand them in good stead for the finals. But doubts linger over Hardwick’s coaching ability, despite the excellent second half of the season. The question should have been asked by Benny and the boys, like McGuire should have asked with the Buckley deal, do we stick with a prior arrangement and go down with a "sinking ship"-a sinking ship in this context for Richmond meaning anything less than a grand final appearance over the next two to three years. Or do we make the very tough call and get Mick Malthouse on board. I feel a degree of hypocrisy for saying this, but the Tiges should have pounced on Mick, and cut Dimma free. A very tough, and probably unethical call, but Dimma, in his heart of hearts, would have known it was the right thing to do. Espeically when the Tiges went back to back premiers in 2015-2016. In the meantime, Collingwood would have a coach who might or might not end up being a coaching legend, while the Tiges would have one who already is.

(PS Would be very happy if Dimma makes me eat humble Buckley pie)

Yes, as you can see, I'm a rare poster but feel I must respond to this. With respect, these murmurings of dissatisfaction with Damien that go around the traps are nonsensical; the man has managed to resurrect the club where, among the many coaches over the past 30 years, several so-called legends have failed dismally (read Alan Jeans, Robert Walls and the then very highly rated Terry Wallace - there are probably others) I think some Tiger fans are getting way too far ahead of themselves. A bit of respect for the coach who has normalised our club is in order, I think.

 

[a_fighting_fury]

Interesting post. You're sitting on the fence and batting for both coaches, then you use the same bat to whack Dimma in the back of the head! Well at least you admitted to the hypocrisy of your stance and how it was unethical of you to do that.

4/10

BTW, I Dimma.

 

[TigermanM2]

Haha.....Malthouse.....Hahahaha!

I just love our Dimma.

 

[Top_4_Tiger]

Look, Dimma has been outstanding.

Out culture is now very, very good.

Malthouse is 60 and unable to coach for the next 12 years or so like Dimma will if we're successful.

With a strong support team, Dimma is a very, very good senior coach.

 

[_RT_]

In Dimma We Trust

 

[DrMike]

#standbydimma

 

[TJTIGER]

Mick is a whiley (Robert) fox of a coach and is tactically very good . But for what Dimma has done with Benny in most if not all areas of our club (in 4 years) is nothing short of a miracle. What is currently being built, the momentum gained, the culture change etc that has occurred. Well I wouldn't swap that for anything at this stage. we must not forget we are talking about a 1st time senior coach, is there another 1st timer who has performed better (in the past 5 to 8 years) ? I can't think of one, can anyone else ??............

 

[PUNTROADHAMMER]

Hypotheticals often irritate me, this may be one of those occasions.....

 

[Nuffers]

Mick is a whiley (Robert) fox of a coach and is tactically very good . But for what Dimma has done with Benny in most if not all areas of our club (in 4 years) is nothing short of a miracle. What is currently being built, the momentum gained, the culture change etc that has occurred. Well I wouldn't swap that for anything at this stage. we must not forget we are talking about a 1st time senior coach, is there another 1st timer who has performed better (in the past 5 to 8 years) ? I can't think of one, can anyone else ??............

The Scott at Geelong

 

["The Roar Is Back"]

#standbydimma

Isn't it ironic that Essendon overlooked Dimma due to his lack of attention to detail in his presentation to them , no PowerPoint presentation . This weekend we play them before heading into finals after they have been booted out for failing to keep sufficient records of substance administration .
Attention to details muppets .

 

[TJTIGER]

The Scott at Geelong

I'm not sure I can take you seriously with that squirrel on your head...........Can you really compare the 2 lists that each coach inherited Nuffers??



EDIT; perhaps I should have asked. Is there are 1st time coach who has had a greater impact in there time at a club ?

 

[jko'neal]

Malthouse was never going to a club for 5-7 years which is what Hardwick needs to do. It's going to take us at least 3 solid years like this year to push for a GF. I'm still not fully sold on Hardwick as a game day tactical coach, but the fact he has changed us from a long time bottom feeder and a poor defensive team, into one of the best defensive teams in the comp in really two years ( I don't count his first 2 years that was clean out time) is amazing.
It takes years to turn around a club from where we came from, something Mick doesn't have. Hardwick has and IMO I don't think anyone else could have done any better

 

[Nuffers]

I'm not sure I can take you seriously with that squirrel on your head...........Can you really compare the 2 lists that each coach inherited Nuffers??

You asked for a first time coach who had performed better.. Scott won a flag, can't really get any better than that regardless of lists......... I would still prefer Dimma BTW............ what squirrel?

 

[CoggaRules]

Isn't it ironic that Essendon overlooked Dimma due to his lack of attention to detail in his presentation to them , no PowerPoint presentation . This weekend we play them before heading into finals after they have been booted out for failing to keep sufficient records of substance administration .
Attention to details muppets .

yeah he didnt have the following graph in his presentation:

 

[TigermanM2]

Malthouse was never going to a club for 5-7 years which is what Hardwick needs to do. It's going to take us at least 3 solid years like this year to push for a GF. I'm still not fully sold on Hardwick as a game day tactical coach, but the fact he has changed us from a long time bottom feeder and a poor defensive team, into one of the best defensive teams in the comp in really two years ( I don't count his first 2 years that was clean out time) is amazing.
It takes years to turn around a club from where we came from, something Mick doesn't have. Hardwick has and IMO I don't think anyone else could have done any better

Spot on. Will improve as time goes by. I really cant think of a single poor appointment off field since he has been at the club which is a pretty important skill in itself. I know there are others that have assisted in this but still would have been his call.

 

[wart101]

Yes, as you can see, I'm a rare poster but feel I must respond to this. With respect, these murmurings of dissatisfaction with Damien that go around the traps are nonsensical; the man has managed to resurrect the club where, among the many coaches over the past 30 years, several so-called legends have failed dismally (read Alan Jeans, Robert Walls and the then very highly rated Terry Wallace - there are probably others) I think some Tiger fans are getting way too far ahead of themselves. A bit of respect for the coach who has normalised our club is in order, I think.

All coaches start there dynasty's somewhere, i believe damians will start at richmond.

 

[wart101]

Malthouse was never going to a club for 5-7 years which is what Hardwick needs to do. It's going to take us at least 3 solid years like this year to push for a GF. I'm still not fully sold on Hardwick as a game day tactical coach, but the fact he has changed us from a long time bottom feeder and a poor defensive team, into one of the best defensive teams in the comp in really two years ( I don't count his first 2 years that was clean out time) is amazing.
It takes years to turn around a club from where we came from, something Mick doesn't have. Hardwick has and IMO I don't think anyone else could have done any better

This is my point of view, but also, Damian needs to learn to coach just as a players learn what it takes to be an AFL player, and he does learn.

 

[TJTIGER]

You asked for a first time coach who had performed better.. Scott won a flag, can't really get any better than that regardless of lists......... I would still prefer Dimma BTW............ what squirrel?

I Likey



I guess it depends on the criteria we use to compare, if we're talking flags then it's hard to argue.

 

[CraZdotcom]

obviously some tiger fans haven't learnt from past experience of inconsistencies at coaching level.

the man has got us from bottom dwellers and the laughing stock of the league too a competitive team that can match it with anyone on our day in my opinion.

my biggest fear next season is we miss finals and our ferals kick up a fuss and he gets the arse (carlton/ratten scenario) and we go backwards again.

we need consistency people!!! dimma is the man!

 

[RunningBounce]

Haha.....Malthouse.....Hahahaha!

I just love our Dimma.

Hahahahaha *deep breath in* HahahahahahaHAAHAHAHA... Malthouse... Ah...

 

[TheOutsider74]

Mick is a whiley (Robert) fox of a coach and is tactically very good . But for what Dimma has done with Benny in most if not all areas of our club (in 4 years) is nothing short of a miracle. What is currently being built, the momentum gained, the culture change etc that has occurred. Well I wouldn't swap that for anything at this stage. we must not forget we are talking about a 1st time senior coach, is there another 1st timer who has performed better (in the past 5 to 8 years) ? I can't think of one, can anyone else ??............

I agree that Benny and Dimma have done an amazing job. I love Dimma as a bloke, like most people. He is obviously improving as a coach in all areas. I guess my point is that Malthouse, as Leigh stated in his book, is one of the best two coaches of the last 40 years. Two years ago, he still had five or six years of good service left in him. Heaps of time to get us to the pinnacle. He has proven time and again he can do what's needed. I just think we with him at the helm, we may have had a better chance of snagging what we all want.

 

[TheOutsider74]

Interesting post. You're sitting on the fence and batting for both coaches, then you use the same bat to whack Dimma in the back of the head! Well at least you admitted to the hypocrisy of your stance and how it was unethical of you to do that.

4/10

BTW, I Dimma.

I love Dimma too. I hope he gets us there. Only time will tell. I just think if you went back to 2011 and said who is more likely to get us to a Grand Final, Malthouse would have been the better bet.

 

[tunksy]

in dimma i trust.