Mark Harvey - opinions

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Good list manager (not early, but he learned from his mistakes), good developer of young talent, nice enough guy, but a pretty crap match-day coach. Interestingly enough Freo sacked him to go get someone who was the total opposite on each of those points. A combination of the good points of Lyon and Harvey would make a very good coach, but individually I don't particularly rate either of them.

I do think Harvey would go alright at St. Kilda though funnily enough. They're in a similar situation now to what Freo were when Harvey took over, and after a bad first year Harvey turned Freo around quite nicely.
 
I wonder if anybody has had simular opinions about Clarkson after his bad year with injury and his future was bleak; or Bomber Thompson when the cats were underperforming and he was tipped to get the chop; of course the very next year is history. And there is one more...Woosha...Gee,, amazing turnaround with the eagles...

I think all coaches are always learning,adapting and getting better... There is no reason that Harvey can't do the same.
 
Harves was my favourite player for a long time & was courage personified out on the field so never a bad word will pass through my lips about him.

As a coach he took on a very difficult gig as Bugalugs, sorry I mean Lyon is about to find out - alot of the time it looked to me Harves really wasnt enjoying himself but reckon he was a coach who was willing to back his players in & with a bit luck could could have reached that elusive GF.

Poorly treated at the end, deserved better:thumbsdown:
 

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stugots said:
Poorly treated at the end, deserved better:thumbsdown:
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Maybe.

Firstly an observation, if the WCE had not won both derbies and made a finals, he might still have a job. Football in WA to a degree is seen as "I hope the Eagles go well/ Dockers go bad dichotomy". Yes, it is infantile but it is what it is and in that environment the Eagles improvement was always going to hurt Harvey's situation. Also infantile but no less true.

Now Harvey is better off in many ways that Lyon has come in in this way. There is the martyr\unfairness factor which Harvey gets as well as his payout.

Also if the Dockers don't improve he can quite rightly say they did no better without him. Also if the Dockers do well, he can point to to the Dockers' lack of injuries and say his was racked by injury. Either way, he's been paid out.

IMO he's not a good senior coach and Lyon is a significantly better one but either way, Harvey can come out of this smelling okay.
 
Adelaide Hawk said:
Knows a bit about the game but not bright enough to be a senior coach.
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Was a fav of mine as a player but this quote pretty much hit's the nail on the head . He's not too bright , no where near as bright as probably any other coach in the league . His mind is not sharp enough to be as good as the rest of the coaches .
 
The Purple Hill said:
Very well put. Sensible post. He is a bit like Sumich, a very good/capable assistant but not a senior coach. Harvey was well liked by Freo supporters as a bloke but as a coach well thats another story..............................
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Yep.
As a bloke, for what he's gone through & achieved he demands respect, just don't think he's got that ability to manage a large dept which is essentially what coaching is becoming.
Not the worst, and a tad unlucky from my POV to get done when he did, but that's the game.

Will offer a lot as an assistant, when he gets back into it.
 

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Despite the comments prior he developed into a fine game day coach claiming some notable scalps. Turned around a team that would lose 10 games a year by under 10 points to one that got across the line. Didn't mind his amusing philosphies to the press, straight out of the Mick Malthouse book of witticisms if you ask me.

If Balow, Mundy, Suban, Morabito and 211 hadn't broken their legs/ankles/feet he'd probably still be around. Thats not overtraining. Needs more coaching years under his belt befoe he could be called a chump, I think he may be ahead of the curve for most coaches with 4 years experience. Made a smi final in 2010. If Lyon does well with this lot, Harvey better get a nod his way.
 
Boppo said:
If Lyon does well with this lot, Harvey better get a nod his way.
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You're laughing if you think that's going to happen. Bomber Thompson's influence apparently had nothing to do with this Geelong team winning the 2011 premiership.
 
After watching the first press conference or 2 from him I was in complete bemusement as to how he was appointed senior coach and immediately assumed his time at Freo would be an utterly horrific failure.

I was somewhat confused when this didn't eventuate as quickly as I suspected, but I guess that can be put down to one C. Scott. Although personally I would have thought most coaches would struggle with the injuries Freo had to contend with this year.
 
The Purple Hill said:
Very well put. Sensible post. He is a bit like Sumich, a very good/capable assistant but not a senior coach. Harvey was well liked by Freo supporters as a bloke but as a coach well thats another story..............................
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I think Sumich would be a better coach. He certainly plays the media better.
 
greennick said:
I think Sumich would be a better coach. He certainly plays the media better.
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Anyone ever seen the image of Sumich doing his rainman impression in the Tip Top bread ( may have been some other brand of bread) ad.

Harvey was better in the media.
 
Black JuJu said:
Loved to play the victim....and in the end he was one....can't believe he didn't see it coming.
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He could probably see it coming looking back on it, but when you are in the moment and trusting that the people around you are doing the right thing, it can be hard to recognise...
 
Kim Hagdorn said:
Terry Wallet was great with the media. How did that work out for him?
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Quite true but to be a good league coach you have to have some semblance of media performance. One of the criteria Watters had to deal with was his view of media relations.
 
royals1922 said:
Anyone ever seen the image of Sumich doing his rainman impression in the Tip Top bread ( may have been some other brand of bread) ad.

Harvey was better in the media.
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I disagree. However may be biased in that regards. I always thought Sumich was at least capable in the media for us, whereas Harvey couldn't hack the hard questions.
 
I remember well when Tarrant first returned to Collingwood, he was most fullsome in his praise of Chris Scott. He gave Scott the credit (all the credit) for turning his footy career around and making a sucesaful transition to a defender. He also lauded further praise on Scott, predicting he would make a great senior coach etc. .... But about Harvey - he said nothing.

Harvey probably is a good assistant coach. But he was out of his depth with the senior gig, and heavily depenent on Scott for whatever success the Dockers had during his tenure.
 

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