Mark Lecras - One Way player?

[Mayneman]

I've noticed alot of you mentioning how the forward line is a little top heavy, that opposition sides run the ball out easily once the ball hits the deck, true enough, but does Mark Lecras actively chase on the way out?

From what I've observed this year he doesnt work hard enough the other way.

With your midfield so poor, your talls not firing and his personal goal tally consistently around 4 it appears as though this aspect of his game isnt subject to any scrutiny.

How often does he chase? Does he chase at all, does he tackle, is this good enough?

Interesting stat, he's played 9 games and laid 2 tackles inside his attacking 50, that's shithouse.

For all the grief Mckinley cops for his defensive workrate, or lack there of, he has played 4 less games and laid one more tackle inside his forward 50.

These players have laid more tackles inside the forward 50 this year from equal games or less.

Ashton Hams
Pat Mcginnity
Mitch Brown
Luke Shuey
Quinten Lynch
Ben Mckinley

Given the fact that Lecras spends at least 85% of his time operating in the forward 50 how does he escape srcutiny?

I bring this point up after watching the last 3 games and seeing his lack of effort to pressure the ball carrier on the way out.

It's great to be a goal kicker, but regardless of how good you are you should be applying pressure on the way out.

At the moment he's a one way player.

 

[DivideandMultiply]

In another couple of weeks can we expect some variation of this thread for Kennedy (now that you have done Hurn and LeCras for instance)?

Fact is our whole team, bar one or two players does not tackle enough.

LeCras works hard to get his own ball when needed, works up the ground and does chase and apply defensive pressure, so I will disagree that he is a purely one way player.

I think the issue is he has trouble laying tackles. Those stats would be far higher if many of his attempted tackles stuck.

He also isn't the quickest player. I believe his agility and good lateral movement make him seem faster than he is. Just not the kind of forward who can use his pace to rundown and harass players (though neither is Hams or McKinley).

But LeCras can get more of the ball than both those players and regularly impacts on the scoreboard. McKinley was not just criticised for his lack of defensive pressure, which is more than just laying tackles, but also his overall work ethic and ability to find the ball or create opportunities for others. Sure he had a great game the other week, but has seriously struggled to kick goals despite his new found work ethic.

For mine, I would prefer if almost all our players could tackle more, but am happy if LeCras to continues developing and playing the way he has been.

 

[Mayneman]

He has trouble laying tackles?

Not agile enough to tackle?

How does Lynch lay more, Brown?

Those two players are not as agile, no where near as fast.

It's a mindset, an attitude. He's happy to work hard in attack, defensively his effort is poor.

If you're happy with that, you're accepting one way players.

 

[DivideandMultiply]

He has trouble laying tackles?

Not agile enough to tackle?

How does Lynch lay more, Brown?

Those two players are not as agile, no where near as fast.

It's a mindset, an attitude. He's happy to work hard in attack, defensively his effort is poor.

If you're happy with that, you're accepting one way players.

Please pray tell point out where I said he was not agile enough?

And no I think he does have difficulty making his tackles stick. That comes down to upper body strength. What he also lacks is some of the genuine pace of certain smallish forwards.

Guys like Lynch, Brown, Hams are big bodied and also work hard, but arn't or havn't been having a huge output. Nor do any of them lay that many tackles.

So he could work hard as a defensive forward at the expense of other parts of his game, but he dosn't really have the physique for it. And that lack of natural pace that guys like Davey or Rioli posses, means that he sometimes chases and applies pressure but may not lay as many actual tackles.

I have seen him working back into defence, works harder than most to implement our zone from kick ins and also makes the effort to chase.

Sorry Pav, but you are wrong that he is a one way player.

If it means his focus becomes tackling and chasing at the exepense of other areas of his game, or to much work is put into him bulking up in the pre-season decreasing his maneuverability, then that would be a huge loss (though I think he is a naturally slight player).

He works incredibly hard and a gradual improvement in his tackling, in step with his current development would be what I hope for.

 

[Mayneman]

Please pray tell point out where I said he was not agile enough?

Apologies, I misread, so he's not fast enough?

Again, explain to me how players like Mckinley, Lynch and Mitch Brown manage to lay more tackles, from less games?

These guys arent as fast, nor as agile as Lecras.

And no I think he does have difficulty making his tackles stick. That comes down to upper body strength.

You really think he's not big enough in the upper body? Really?

If it means his focus becomes tackling and chasing at the exepense of other areas of his game

How? How does focusing on applying more defensive pressure on the way out affect other elements of his game.

I reckon Lecras would walk off the field and not be physically spent, he can give a lot more.

He works incredibly hard and a gradual improvement in his tackling, in step with his current development would be what I hope for.

I think you are easily pleased.

 

[DivideandMultiply]

Apologies, I misread, so he's not fast enough?

Again, explain to me how players like Mckinley, Lynch and Mitch Brown manage to lay more tackles, from less games?

These guys arent as face, nor as agile as Lecras.



You really think he's not big enough in the upper body? Really?





How? How does focusing on applying more defensive pressure on the way out affect other elements of his game.

I reckon Lecras would walk off the field and not be physically spent, he can give a lot more.



I think you are easily pleased.

This is pretty lame trolling attempt.

Firstly, Brown is excellent defensively (and surprisingly quick/agile for his size), McKinleys main focus has been applying defensive pressure and Lynch is fantastically fit.

They have also been having buggerall other impact in the forward line. Brown also only avg fractionally more tackles per game.

They are all also big bodied players, who when they lay tackles should (I say this with some trepidation) make them stick.

And yes I do think LeCras does lack a little upper body strength, but as I have said don't think a lot can be done about it quickly. Much like Masten I have noticed he has trouble making his tackles stick and have seen players pull free.

Again you are wrong that he does not make an effort defensively.

He would also be one of the hardest workers in our team and usually looks absolutely stuffed at the end of games.

Yet I think he is still not back to his full fitness/output. His averages apart from marks and behinds (lol), were higher across the board at the end of last season. He was also averaging 2.3 tackles pg, the same as Lynch this season.

You may call it easily pleased, but he is a palyer who can impact in the midfield, led our teams goal assists last season and can contribute significantly on the scoreboard. Sure I hope for improvement but he is tracking exceptionally well.

Anyway I'm off to bed, have entertained your trolling enough for this evening.

 

[Denton52]

I haven't noticed so much but it wouldn't surprise me. I've seen him get a touch of the Richo's when the ball isn't delivered so well.

I think he's had it a little easy to be honest. You'd think most Coaches would force him into the midfield (all things considered) or even he'd want to be there.

Yeah you get a lot of glory up forward, you kick your 50 goals, you get supporters jerking off how you should be AA like it's something to celebrate in a bottom 4 team... but now i'm worried he's a guy that doesn't want to do the hard work enough and for someone with so much talent... it's just a waste really.

 

[KaLL]

McKinley was dropped to work on his defensive pressure, came back and cant kick for crap.

I'd rather let LeCras stay how he is than screw up his goal kicking

 

[J-Train]

LeCras is class and paid to kick goals, not for his grunt work.

 

[The Vok]

His defensive pressure is not up to scratch, you're right. He gets away with it because he kicks goals.

Most of the forward line can't get either right.

 

[Marlin01]

I've noticed a lot of his tackles don't stick. He seems to get shrugged off too easily. I'm sure he'll work on it.

In terms of the Eagles' problems, this ranks about #3,456,253.

 

[eaglevic]

I've noticed alot of you mentioning how the forward line is a little top heavy, that opposition sides run the ball out easily once the ball hits the deck, true enough, but does Mark Lecras actively chase on the way out?

From what I've observed this year he doesnt work hard enough the other way.

With your midfield so poor, your talls not firing and his personal goal tally consistently around 4 it appears as though this aspect of his game isnt subject to any scrutiny.

How often does he chase? Does he chase at all, does he tackle, is this good enough?

Interesting stat, he's played 9 games and laid 2 tackles inside his attacking 50, that's shithouse.

For all the grief Mckinley cops for his defensive workrate, or lack there of, he has played 4 less games and laid one more tackle inside his forward 50.

These players have laid more tackles inside the forward 50 this year from equal games or less.

Ashton Hams
Pat Mcginnity
Mitch Brown
Luke Shuey
Quinten Lynch
Ben Mckinley

Given the fact that Lecras spends at least 85% of his time operating in the forward 50 how does he escape srcutiny?

I bring this point up after watching the last 3 games and seeing his lack of effort to pressure the ball carrier on the way out.

It's great to be a goal kicker, but regardless of how good you are you should be applying pressure on the way out.

At the moment he's a one way player.

Any chance you could stop Trolling and p*ss off back to your purple haze board. I for one am sick of seeing your trolling crap threads.

 

[88mph]

We need to put Lecras in the middle as an outside receiver.

Hams and lecras kicking to kennedy and mcKinnley.

Ban Priddis Kicking inside 50

 

[-Buzz-]

His half-arsed one-armed tackles do shit me.

Class player, but needs to get start killing the tackling bag at training.