Moved Thread maximum Discrepant Anomalies In Coach OpinionS Index(D.A.I.C.Os index)

[Meteoric Rise]

We are just looking for patterns. The pattern is there was 52 x votes given across 8 x games to Naicos where the Player Ratings didn’t have him in the best 5 x players on the ground.

So did a similar pattern exist for Cripps and Bont? No. When the player ratings had them outside the best-5 on the ground, only once did either of them receive votes.

If anyone can be bothered reviewing other players be my guest - maybe some have similar patterns as Naicos?

That game he got 10 x votes Naicos had 41 touches, but had 11 x clangers and went at 58% DE. So coaches gave him votes as he got a tonne of the ball. Player Ratings didn’t rank him all that highly because 11 x clangers is an epically high number and 58% DE is abysmal.


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Amazing correlation coaches votes v player ratings, except for one player.

You guessed it, Daicos the only player in the top 6 of Coach votes who was not also top 6 in the player ratings in 2024.

 

[Walter H White]

All opposition coaches should award Nick Daicos 0 votes in all matches until MaCrae:
1) apologises unreservedly and commits to a re-education program
2) is banned from voting indefinitely
3) is arrested and charged for his crimes.

 

[Meteoric Rise]

All opposition coaches should award Nick Daicos 0 votes in all matches until MaCrae:
1) apologises unreservedly and commits to a re-education program
2) is banned from voting indefinitely
3) is arrested and charged for his crimes.

That re-education is so crucial. This has been proven in the past to get coaches back on track with their voting.

The coach has to want to be helped though.

 

[WalshistheGOAT]

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So based off this individual game
max differential of 1 for both newcombe and battle (but only in one case is Sam favoring his player, in the other Sam is underrating his player)
zero differential for TDK
max differential of 2 for both Mass and Blake
max differential of 1 for Hewett and Chol, either both coaches underrating their own player, or both favoring

As you can see there is always a mix of underrate and overrate.

Mitchell has always come across as a coach that is quite fair in terms of giving out votes. If you listen to how he speaks of his players he's always fairly critical of things they could have done better even when praising them. Always happy to applaud an opposition player when they have a standout performance too.

On the other hand... When you listen to Fly McRae all you hear is how much he loves and admires everything Nick does. Never a bad word to say about him even when he puts in a selfish performance or he's weak in the contest leading to some crucial opposition goals.

It's fairly clear what's going on to most neutrals.

 

[ShereKhan]

Nobody would have bat an eyelid if Daicos got zero votes in that game so he definitely should not be getting 5 from either party. People generlly expected Cripps would get 10 or close and Daicos would get zero. It decided the award and instantly makes Daicos winning it controversial, to say the very least.

Imo Heeney was clearly the most deserving. He had the highest average votes per game, & the highest aggregate minimum possible votes from opposition coaches.

BTW … in Martin’s 2017 season, he got 2 x coaches votes from 1 x game when not in the 5 x top rated players on the ground.

So what did 2023 show for Naicos?

He got 26 coaches votes from 4 x games when not rated in top-5 players on the ground.

So across 2023-24, Naicos polled 78 coaches votes from 12 x games in which he was not rated in the top-5 players on the ground.

Adding up 3 x outstanding seasons from Bont, Cripps and Martin, the equivalent was 10 x votes from 3 x games … in 3 x seasons v 2.

So for some weird reason Naicos polls coaches votes by the truckload when not ranked in the top-5 players on the ground, whilst other stars of the game don’t enjoy the same luxury.

So Pies supporters should celebrate his ability to get votes when not really deserving as it’ll
mean a choc-a-bloc full trophy cabinet. At least we now have perspective as to what’s happening.

Go Fly go !


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[SC_Power]

Daicos won the coaches award fair and square last year. You have no idea which way the coaches voted, you're only guessing.

The more I look, the more this thread looks like a heap of crap.

2024
AFLCA, Daicos, Cripps, Heeney, Serong, Neale
Brownlow, Cripps, Daicos, Butters, Serong, Heeney
AFLPA, Bontempelli, Cripps, Heeney, Daicos

2023
AFLCA, Butters, Bontempelli, Daicos, Petracca
Brownlow, Neale, Bontempelli, Daicos/Butters, Petracca
AFLPA, Bontempelli, Daicos, Butters, Greene, Petracca

i reckon that McFly has done pretty well to get on all three voting panels for a couple of years.

 

[ShereKhan]

It can't be deliberate; Friday night proved that "Deliberate" and "Daicos" just don't go together.

He gets umpired differently. He gets voted on differently. He’s a great player so no biggy …. I just feel for players like Bont who is a superior player to Naicos and Neale but won’t have the individual awards to match come career end.


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[ShereKhan]

Tht re-eduction is so crucial. This has been proven in the past to get coaches back on track with their voting.

The coach has to want to be helped though.

Maybe after Fly accepts integrity trumps circle jerking, the umpires can be brought into the fold to educate themselves on how to umpire Naicos the same as other players … Deliberate? Nah … poor little Nick just got dizzy and fell over the boundary.


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[Mr Meow]

Ok, today I want to start by going back in time. One of the things I want to understand is if the discrepancies between the two coaches have grown over time, which might suggest the clubs are realising there is cachet for their players in coaches votes. So far of the older ones we have looked at only Dusty 2017. He has both the most coach votes in a season ever & the least max possible discrepancy of the 7 seasons from 5 players we have looked at.

I will kick off here with Dangerfield 2016. He had a big year with 121 votes(2nd most ever) & unified the 3 titles(Brownlow, Coach Votes, Player Ratings - all like Dusty with historically high end totals.) I am not expecting to find a high amout of discrepancy here.

Hmmm...I am surprised by the result here, but perhps I shouldn't be.

2016 Patrick Dangerfield 121 total votes. Max 72 from his own coach. Min 49 from the opposition. Max possible discrepancy = 23

So overall the table looks like this so far:

2023 Daicos 25 votes max possible discrepancy from 106 votes total(65 v 41)
2024 Daicos 23 votes from 117 total, (72 v 49 )
2023 Butters 23 votes from 109 total(66 v 43)
2016 Dangerfield 23 votes from 121 total(72 v 49)
2024 Cripps 19 votes from 113 votes total(66 v 47)
2024 Heeney 12 votes from 112 votes total(62 v 50)

2017 Dusty 10 votes from 122 vots total(66 v 56)

It's beginning to look like Dusty & Heeney were the only ones with honest coaches! But there is a long way to go with this.

So really this was just another Dusty thread disguised as a Daicos, Dangerfield and coach bashing thread.

You really are a piece of work.

 

[hdi]

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Anyone who didn’t think Libba was BOG the other night was watching a different game.

Libba was top rated player of the game with 21.4 - 4.7 points clear of second. Daicos was 10th in that game.

Here are the midfield players for the round who got 6+ coaches votes and their respective player ranking for the round:

Macrae 8 votes: 3rd ranked
Sinclair 7: 5th
Libba 8: 8th
Powell 7: 12th
Burgoyne 7: 16th
Dawson 10 : 18th
Warner 6: 22nd
Rozee 10: 27th
Newcombe 9: 28th
Neale 9: 35th

Daylight ……

Daicos 8: 86th

Then Round 23 last year:

Newcombe 9: 3rd
Richards 6: 4th
Cripps 10: 5th
Heeney10: 7th
Viney 10: 10th
Brayshaw 6: 16th
Martin 8: 17th
….
Daicos 8: 25th

Libba 6: 28th
Dawson 6: 31st

Round 21:

LDU 10: 1st
McCluggae 5: 4th
Neale 8: 6th
Treloar 8: 8th
Bont: 10 9th
Newcombe 6: 18th
Cripps 9: 22nd
Yeo 8: 23rd

……

Daicos 5: 40th


Let’s review how many times Naicos has been outside the top-5 players in regards to player rankings for a Pies game and received votes in 2024:

Round 1: 5 votes: 6th ranked
Round 3: 5: 8th
Round 10: 10: 21st !!
Round 11: 9: 12th
Round 16: 8: 8th
Round 17: 2: 14th
Round 21: 5: 6th
Round 23: 8: 7th

So that’s 52 coaches votes in 8 x games where he wasn’t ranked in the top-5 players on the ground.



How does that compare with Bont as an example…..Bont didn’t get coaches votes in a a single game where he wasn’t ranked top-5 on the ground - not one.

What about Cripps?

Round 19: 8: 6th

Cripps got 8 coaches votes from just 1 game when outside top-5.

So Naicos 52 coaches votes from 8 games when ranked outside top-5.

Bont and Cripps 8 x votes combined from 1 x game outside top-5.

Interesting ……



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Strong case for one of the most overrated players in the game

 

[Meteoric Rise]

OK, back to the main business.

rye hs requested a bit of Oliver to see what Goodwin's response was when Oliver asked for more. Votes of course.

Oliver won the MVP outright with 114 votes 2021, & halved it 2022 98 votes with Took Miller.

2021 Oliver 114 total votes, max from Goodwin 71 votes, min oppo votes 43. Max possible discrepancy = 28 votes.

2021 finals 19 votes, max Goodwin 11 votes, min oppo votes 8. MPD = 3 votes.

Overall 2021 133 votes, max Goodwin 82 votes, min oppo votes 51. MPD = 31 votes.


2022 Oliver 98 total votes, max from Goodwin 59 votes, min oppo votes 39. Max possible discrepancy = 20 votes.


So Oliver seems to have had high discrepancies as well in his MVP winning years. He is the new clubhouse leader for 2021. He may be similarly situated to Butters however, where he is sharing votes a lot with 2 other major vote winners, Petracca & Gawn, and the coaches are having trouble sorting them out.

Having said that, across 50 odd games in both seasons, Oliver got votes from one coach only as many as 11 times. I think this has happened with Daicos a maximum of 8 times in his career. Others I have looked at so far range from 2 to 5 times per season.

So good spot by rye, Oliver definitely appeared to be getting some major Goody love in 2021 & 2022.

 

[rye]

OK, back to the main business.

rye hs requested a bit of Oliver to see wht Goodwin's response was when Oliver asked for more. Votes of course.

Oliver won the MVP outright with 114 votes 2021, & halved it 2022 98 otes with Took Miller.

2021 Oliver 114 total votes, max from Goodwin 71 votes, min oppo votes 43. Max possible discrepancy = 28 votes.

2021 finals 19 votes, max Goodwin 11 votes, min oppo votes 8. MPD = 3 votes.

Overall 2021 133 votes, max Goodwin 82 votes, min oppo votes 51. MPD = 31 votes.


2022 Oliver 98 total votes, max from Goodwin 59 votes, min oppo votes 39. Max possible discrepancy = 20 votes.


So Oliver seems to have had high discrepancies as well in his MVP winning years. He is the new clubhouse leader for 2021. He may be similarly situated to Butters however, where he is sharing votes a lot with 2 other major vote winners, Petracca & Gawn, and the coaches are having trouble sorting them out.

Having said that, across 50 odd games in both seasons, Oliver got votes from one coach only as many as 11 times. I think this has haopened with Daicos a maximum of 8 times in his career. Others I have looked at so far range from 2 to 5 times per season.

So good spot by rye, Oliver definitely appeared to be getting some major Goody love in 2021 & 2022.

didnt expect you to actually do this - awesome work.

 

[Meteoric Rise]

So really this was just another Dusty thread disguised as a Daicos, Dangerfield and coach bashing thread.

You really are a piece of work.

We must tell the truth. We can't help it if you don't like the truth.

 

[WalshistheGOAT]

OK, back to the main business.

rye hs requested a bit of Oliver to see wht Goodwin's response was when Oliver asked for more. Votes of course.

Oliver won the MVP outright with 114 votes 2021, & halved it 2022 98 otes with Took Miller.

2021 Oliver 114 total votes, max from Goodwin 71 votes, min oppo votes 43. Max possible discrepancy = 28 votes.

2021 finals 19 votes, max Goodwin 11 votes, min oppo votes 8. MPD = 3 votes.

Overall 2021 133 votes, max Goodwin 82 votes, min oppo votes 51. MPD = 31 votes.


2022 Oliver 98 total votes, max from Goodwin 59 votes, min oppo votes 39. Max possible discrepancy = 20 votes.


So Oliver seems to have had high discrepancies as well in his MVP winning years. He is the new clubhouse leader for 2021. He may be similarly situated to Butters however, where he is sharing votes a lot with 2 other major vote winners, Petracca & Gawn, and the coaches are having trouble sorting them out.

Having said that, across 50 odd games in both seasons, Oliver got votes from one coach only as many as 11 times. I think this has haopened with Daicos a maximum of 8 times in his career. Others I have looked at so far range from 2 to 5 times per season.

So good spot by rye, Oliver definitely appeared to be getting some major Goody love in 2021 & 2022.

Butters got a fair ride home from Hinkley in 2022 too from memory. But none have been as obvious and ridiculous as Daicos last year.

 

[Mr Meow]

We must tell the truth. We can't help it if you don't like the truth.

Merely expressing amusement. I can't help it if you don't enjoy that.

 

[Meteoric Rise]

Butters got a fair ride home from Hinkley in 2022 too from memory. But none have been as obvious and ridiculous as Daicos last year.

It may have been Rozee rather than Butters in 2022 looking at the leaderboard for that year.

 

[Meteoric Rise]

Merely expressing amusement. I can't help it if you don't enjoy that.

If you don't want to comment on the subject matter I am not interested. But I will report your posts if not relevant to the thread topic.

 

[WalshistheGOAT]

It may have been Rozee rather than Butters in 2022 looking at the leaderboard for that year.

Sorry may have been 2023 I'm thinking of

 

[SC_Power]

We must tell the truth. We can't help it if you don't like the truth.

It’s not truth.

 

[Meteoric Rise]

It’s not truth.

What exactly is not true?

 

[Mr Meow]

What exactly is not true?

It's probably the stupidest thread that's been on the main board in a long time.

SC_Power has explained why. You have basically come up with a half arsed guessing framework to show when coaches might have not voted uniformly.

Then as usual slap a bunch of terrible conclusions on to fix to your pre existing narrative.

In this case, that Dusty's coaches votes were sacred in their uniformity, while several other stars had "controversial" tallies.

 

[Meteoric Rise]

It's probably the stupidest thread that's been on the main board in a long time.

SC_Power has explained why. You have basically come up with a half arsed guessing framework to show when coaches might have not voted uniformly.

Then as usual slap a bunch of terrible conclusions on to fix to your pre existing narrative.

In this case, that Dusty's coaches votes were sacred in their uniformity, while several other stars had "controversial" tallies.

You are free to suggest a better way to measure the integrity of coach votes from what is available to us.

 

[WalshistheGOAT]

It's probably the stupidest thread that's been on the main board in a long time.

SC_Power has explained why. You have basically come up with a half arsed guessing framework to show when coaches might have not voted uniformly.

Then as usual slap a bunch of terrible conclusions on to fix to your pre existing narrative.

In this case, that Dusty's coaches votes were sacred in their uniformity, while several other stars had "controversial" tallies.

Personally, I think it's a fantastic thread!

 

[Mr Meow]

You are free to suggest a better way to measure the integrity of coach votes from what is available to us.

Any method would be just as stupid. There isn't a quantitative, objective way to do this.

 

[Mr Meow]

You are free to suggest a better way to measure the integrity of coach votes from what is available to us.

How does it measure integrity? If Scott and Clarkson disagreed about how good Dangerfield was in a game in 2016, one of them lacks integrity? Your "method" doesn't quantitatively assess integrity at all.