Maynard cleared by tribunal for Brayshaw collision

[Corn Cobbers]

THE AFL has opted against appealing the Tribunal's decision in the Brayden Maynard case, meaning the Collingwood defender is in the clear to play in the Magpies' preliminary final.

AFL ponders rule change after Maynard Tribunal call

The Brayden Maynard saga is officially over after the AFL opted not to appeal the Tribunal's decision

www.afl.com.au

The AFL, having brought the charge against Maynard, said on Wednesday that it would not challenge the Tribunal's ruling, but would comment further later in the day.

"The AFL has confirmed that after careful consideration and review of the Tribunal's decision and reasons following last night's hearing into the incident involving Collingwood's Brayden Maynard and Melbourne's Angus Brayshaw, the AFL has decided not to appeal the Tribunal's decision," a statement read.

"Per the Tribunal Guidelines the AFL had to make this decision by 12:00pm AEST today.

"The AFL will release a further statement later today."

Finally some sanity

 

[SC_Power]

Because the hands out theory is a load of rubbish. Which a physicist will explain later. Add their speed together add their weight together. That's the force people we're talking about. 170 kgs moving at a fair clip. Try to cushion that impact with your arms. All you're doing is putting both heads into the impact zone. And head clashes are the most dangerous.

Yeah, it's a state of mind... Like if there was a teammate in the firing line, or a wall, or the boundary fence, he would have done exactly the same thing....

 

[Roby]

The AFL says even if this isn't a bump, it's a careless offence.

Why say this?

 

[Rod Stroker]

Just find him guilty so we can go to the appeal on Thursday

Pretty much this. And then the AFL will appeal the appeal next week

 

[beerbandit]

No point in having a debate if you genuinely believe this.

Did he hurl himself at Brayshaw or the football?

 

[Woody15]

People in this thread are making better arguments for Maynard to be suspended than Woods

I completely agree with this.

 

[RandB]

"Flinched" by leaning forward and dropping the shoulder prior to impact.

Strange flinch.

 

[demondavey]

The AFL says even if this isn't a bump, it's a careless offence.

Why say this?

Because it was….. and they are cushioning the blow that’s coming

 

[_Mike_]

18m ago
17:31

Down to the milliseconds​

Right down to the nitty gritty now, with Professor Cole being asked about the reaction time for Maynard.

He says the average reaction time for the general population in a controlled setting – like, hitting a button when you see a light – is 200-250 milliseconds, but is confident that would be impossible to achieve in a competitive arena.

He says Maynard would have had no more than 400 milliseconds to respond.

"His primary focus was on the ball."

- Michael Whiting

21m ago
17:27

More from Professor Cole​

Woods (AFL): "Is it possible once the ball passed Maynard's hands that he had time to position his body in a different way to that which he did. Is it possible?"

Cole: "Very limited chance. It's possible. Individuals have different levels of mental fatigue … but I can't speculate.

"All I'm suggesting, based on the numbers and based on the research, it's difficult to conclusively say Mr Maynard would have been able to make any conscious decision to reposition his body.

"It's more an innate reflexive response."

- Michael Whiting

 

[Kreuuuzeurns]

Did he hurl himself at Brayshaw or the football?

He had left the ground/began his leap by the time the ball was at his boot. So do the math.

 

[Stumpy Pete]

I think the rule change that is coming from this will be about players not contesting the ball in a manner that creates a situation where they cannot adjust to avoid dangerous contact (or words to that effect).

Regards

S. Pete

 

[RAPPA]

Just spotted Maynard outside:

 

[Coach_Required]

18m ago
17:31

Down to the milliseconds​

Right down to the nitty gritty now, with Professor Cole being asked about the reaction time for Maynard.

He says the average reaction time for the general population in a controlled setting – like, hitting a button when you see a light – is 200-250 milliseconds, but is confident that would be impossible to achieve in a competitive arena.

He says Maynard would have had no more than 400 milliseconds to respond.

"His primary focus was on the ball."

- Michael Whiting

21m ago
17:27

More from Professor Cole​

Woods (AFL): "Is it possible once the ball passed Maynard's hands that he had time to position his body in a different way to that which he did. Is it possible?"

Cole: "Very limited chance. It's possible. Individuals have different levels of mental fatigue … but I can't speculate.

"All I'm suggesting, based on the numbers and based on the research, it's difficult to conclusively say Mr Maynard would have been able to make any conscious decision to reposition his body.

"It's more an innate reflexive response."

- Michael Whiting

Its not really a live feed is it? 20 mins

Good one AFL

 

[GoPies1]

A biochemist and neuromuscular scientist!
I’m sure he passed a few more grades than most of us?

I’m no expert but my experience reflects doing things that I couldn’t explain on a sports field once in self protection mode.
Got knocked out a few times when I didn’t see them coming though.

 

[LukeParkerno1]

I’m still getting over the Missiles

 

[Stumpy Pete]

He had left the ground/began his leap by the time the ball was at his boot. So do the math.

He leapt for where he thought the ball was going to be?

Regards

S. Pete

 

[beerbandit]

He had left the ground/began his leap by the time the ball was at his boot. So do the math.

But you do realise he actually touched the ball

 

[wce4premiership]

Because the hands out theory is a load of rubbish. Which a physicist will explain later. Add their speed together add their weight together. That's the force people we're talking about. 170 kgs moving at a fair clip. Try to cushion that impact with your arms. All you're doing is putting both heads into the impact zone. And head clashes are the most dangerous.

No it's not.

If you havent seen someone, that is how you react.

Maynard never lost vision of Brayshaw whereas Brayshaw did not have eyes on Maynard.

What Maynard done was not a late reaction, it was a post-missed-smother action that he executed. There's nothing that seems natural in that action. A surprised person would be leaning back, pushing their head away from contact like you'd avoid a jab. The reaction would be the head going back out of harms way.

To twist the body, push the shoulder forward and tuck up is a planned action.

 

[Kreuuuzeurns]

I think the rule change that is coming from this will be about players not contesting the ball in a manner that creates a situation where they cannot adjust to avoid dangerous contact (or words to that effect).

Regards

S. Pete

100% agree that is where it is going.

Problem is they have officiated that way for a while now but haven’t put it in writing, and every now and then they go completely against it.

 

[The Great Ian]

The AFL are tanking this.

 

[sr36]

No it's not.

If you havent seen someone, that is how you react.

Yeah you out your arms out if you don't have time to turn, but it does jack shit to soften that impact.

 

[Pistol Night]

Yeah you out your arms out if you don't have time to turn, but it does jack s**t to soften that impact.

Ask Howey

 

[RandB]

18m ago
17:31

Down to the milliseconds​

Right down to the nitty gritty now, with Professor Cole being asked about the reaction time for Maynard.

He says the average reaction time for the general population in a controlled setting – like, hitting a button when you see a light – is 200-250 milliseconds, but is confident that would be impossible to achieve in a competitive arena.

He says Maynard would have had no more than 400 milliseconds to respond.

"His primary focus was on the ball."

- Michael Whiting

21m ago
17:27

More from Professor Cole​

Woods (AFL): "Is it possible once the ball passed Maynard's hands that he had time to position his body in a different way to that which he did. Is it possible?"

Cole: "Very limited chance. It's possible. Individuals have different levels of mental fatigue … but I can't speculate.

"All I'm suggesting, based on the numbers and based on the research, it's difficult to conclusively say Mr Maynard would have been able to make any conscious decision to reposition his body.

"It's more an innate reflexive response."

- Michael Whiting

So, essentially, because he chose to bump the way he did, he didn't have time to do anything else.

It goes back to considering 100 different players in this situation. How many do what Maynard did? I dare say, overwhelming majority don't drop the shoulder within that 400ms window.

 

[SC_Power]

I think the rule change that is coming from this will be about players not contesting the ball in a manner that creates a situation where they cannot adjust to avoid dangerous contact (or words to that effect).

Regards

S. Pete

But that's always been the case, if I run at full speed into a pack to pick up the ball and a player gets there first, and you instinctively do what Maynard says is reflex and instinctive and unavoidable, you get a 5 match suspension. You cant use the excuse that you were in a football act attacking the ball and because of a late change in front of you, you instinctively hip and shoulder a player to the head.

So you don't attack like that. Same with Maynard in this occasion.

 

[Footy Smarts]

Is Woods' job here to ensure Maynard gets off? At best his arguments seem grossly incompetent.

 

[NonPhixion]

Ihle is nailing this