Maynard cleared by tribunal for Brayshaw collision

[Corn Cobbers]

THE AFL has opted against appealing the Tribunal's decision in the Brayden Maynard case, meaning the Collingwood defender is in the clear to play in the Magpies' preliminary final.

AFL ponders rule change after Maynard Tribunal call

The Brayden Maynard saga is officially over after the AFL opted not to appeal the Tribunal's decision

www.afl.com.au

The AFL, having brought the charge against Maynard, said on Wednesday that it would not challenge the Tribunal's ruling, but would comment further later in the day.

"The AFL has confirmed that after careful consideration and review of the Tribunal's decision and reasons following last night's hearing into the incident involving Collingwood's Brayden Maynard and Melbourne's Angus Brayshaw, the AFL has decided not to appeal the Tribunal's decision," a statement read.

"Per the Tribunal Guidelines the AFL had to make this decision by 12:00pm AEST today.

"The AFL will release a further statement later today."

Finally some sanity

 

[Roby]

Dive on the ball? Mate, ‘google it’. How long you been watching the game? Two weeks?

So, nothing to show. Got it.

 

[DonsRule]

If Maynard gets three weeks for this incident, and misses a GF as a result, let's see how often he tries to smother in this fashion in the future.

Yep.

Don't think incidental contact will ever be removed, but its about changing behaviors. The bump and tackles players will learn to adjust as they have with bumps and tackles with the head.

 

[Roby]

If Maynard gets three weeks for this incident, and misses a GF as a result, let's see how often he tries to smother in this fashion in the future.

He'll go do it again. It was an instinctive smother.

Just like Sicily didn't change his tackling technique.

Mansell still goes hard at ball. Nothing changed.

 

[Roby]

Amazing player, Rat was, and it's awful to see the current state of his health along with many other ex-players suffering CTE

You can assume, but you can't definitely say that. CTE has a lot overlapping symptoms with other forms of encephalopathy or brain disease.

 

[sr36]

Again, from my first post, my intent is to point out the AFL's attempt to deter accidents out of the game is futile < that's all I'm getting at.

They're not trying to remove all accidents from the game. That's impossible. No workplace can remove all accidents They're trying to take all reasonable actions to reduce risk as all workplaces are expected to do. No idea how that works in the long run in a contact sport, but at the moment it clearly involves some rule adjustments and consequences for some dangerous actions.

 

[DonsRule]

He'll go do it again. It was an instinctive smother.

Just like Sicily didn't change his tackling technique.

Mansell still goes hard at ball. Nothing changed.

I think there are some like that what will struggle to change, Maynard is particular plays his best when playing on insinct on the very very edge but I think it probably filters down to a larger % of players if he does go like tackleing and bumps by and large decisions and techniques have improved there are some that struggle to adjust or push the boundaries still though

 

[Maggie5]

Interesting that Maynard had 0 time to adjust his “bracing” technique. But Brayshaw had plenty of time to move out the way of Maynard, as if he was the one in the wrong. How dare he kick a football inside 50.

In the same realm as smothering a team mates kick, but only if they were kicking the wrong way.

 

[Roby]

I still don’t get how people are defending someone who jumped in the air to smother as the ball was being kicked, then halfway through the jump has the time/instinct to turn, and then hip-shoulder the opponent in the head, and then somehow claim it was a) unavoidable and-or b) Brayshaw‘s fault for not avoiding.

But then again, they got Cripps off last year for pretty much exactly the same succession of events, so nothing would surprise me that the AFL let Brayshaw off.

You see what you want to see.

Other people see something completely different.

 

[Roby]

Interesting that Maynard had 0 time to adjust his “bracing” technique. But Brayshaw had plenty of time to move out the way of Maynard, as if he was the one in the wrong. How dare he kick a football inside 50.

Misrepresentation of previous posts, you're good at that.

Trump likes to do the same thing, completely misrepresent the other side to win an imaginary argument.

 

[Roby]

Trouble was, one had launched themselves in the air, and the other had his feet on the ground but didn't see him.

Brayshaw saw him, how could he not?

 

[TheEscapeClub]

Watch it from front on. Maynard, by turning and bracing his right shoulder, actually makes himself alter course in mid air, straight into Brayshaw's head. He doesn't do that and I think it would have only been incidental contact.

 

[demondavey]

A post-mortem analysis of Mr Frawley’s brain by the Australian Sports Brain Bank (ASBB) found he was suffering from low stage (Stage II of IV) chronic traumatic encephalopathy (CTE) – a form of brain disease linked to repeated blows to the head. CTE, which can only be diagnosed after death, is associated with mood and behavioural changes and occasionally cognitive and memory impairment.

Anyway, I think that answers my previous statement.

Where in gods name are you going with this?

 

[demondavey]

Yeah, that post wasn't great but you're no bastion of maturity based on your posting. You clearly have an agenda and will never deviate from it.

I'd suspect if Brayshaw did this to Maynard you'd be saying, well done.

No, I wouldn’t. It would be pretty bad to see someone stretchered off in a neck brace irrespective of who they played for. I’ve actually stated that I have deviated due to reviewing my position on all of this.

 

[demondavey]

Tribunal is independent and guided by the Tribunal guidelines. AFL whims don't come into it.

Right………

 

[CrowFan77]

Lol. Do trees fall out of skies now do they?

You intially used the anology of comparing Maynard to a falling bookcase, you were then later made to look foolish. Own up to it or double down for the second time.

I used a bookcase as an example because it is roughly the same size as a human - i.e. something coming at you from a similar height like Maynard v Brayshaw. Trees are usually much taller than humans, so your tree example is nothing like M v B, but from the human's point of view it is something falling from a great height (which I colloquially referred to as falling from the sky).

I fail to see how your poorly chosen tree example made ME look foolish.

 

[demondavey]

So, nothing to show. Got it.

You want me to show you images or videos of players diving on a ball to prove my point? Because Brayshaw has only ever been the guy to do it?

What was it you said about Platten and burrowing?

 

[Carringbush2010]

But Roby said that Maynard had stopped.

Think it's pretty clear Maynard didn't stop

 

[Carringbush2010]

Trouble was, one had launched themselves in the air, and the other had his feet on the ground but didn't see him.

One left the in a futile attempt to smother.

 

[Carringbush2010]

They're not trying to remove all accidents from the game. That's impossible. No workplace can remove all accidents They're trying to take all reasonable actions to reduce risk as all workplaces are expected to do. No idea how that works in the long run in a contact sport, but at the moment it clearly involves some rule adjustments and consequences for some dangerous actions.

Yep, exactly my point, the AFL's goal is to eradicate future litigation, which is obviously impossible.

So penalizing incidental contact is futile, all it does is penalize a player, accidents are still gonna happen, and ex players will still sue.

 

[sr36]

Right………

Yes. I know people like to believe that Gil controls everything, but seriously how many times do we have to hear that the AFL are annoyed with a tribunal decision or have the tribunal overthrow an MRo decision before people realise that they are independent.

 

[Caligo]

I feel like this comes down to a simple counterfactual. If Maynard had tried, instead of bracing for impact, was there some other form of motion (like some kind of aerial bear hug) that he could have done in that amount of time that would have protected both players.

If the tribunal thinks yes, then he should cop 3-4. If the tribunal thinks no, then no penalty.

And I genuinely don't know the answer. Maybe he could have? I don't think I could have but they have better reaction times than me.

 

[sr36]

Yep, exactly my point, the AFL's goal is to eradicate future litigation, which is obviously impossible.

But they lose all future litigation if they do nothing. They'll win some if they can establish that they've taken reasonable measures.

 

[sr36]

I feel like this comes down to a simple counterfactual. If Maynard had tried, instead of bracing for impact, was there some other form of motion (like some kind of aerial bear hug) that he could have done in that amount of time that would have protected both players.

If the tribunal thinks yes, then he should cop 3-4. If the tribunal thinks no, then no penalty.

And I genuinely don't know the answer. Maybe he could have? I don't think I could have but they have better reaction times than me.

Whether they've done it already or not, part of the AFLs duty of care regarding concussion will be to train players how to approach collisions in a contact sport. I guarantee that the training won't involve an aerial bear hug or any of the other nonsense supposed concussion avoiding methods that are being advocated as what Maynard should have done. Methods that dramatically increase the risk of head clashes. It will be turn brace and try to get your head out of the way.

If he gets done it will be for launching - not for bracing for impact.

 

[Kreuuuzeurns]

Most players are smart enough to step out of the way or avoid contact, not Brayshaw though, he's special.

Am I misinterpreting, or were you suggesting Brayshaw had enough time to avoid contact?

One of the worst.

 

[Roby]

Think it's pretty clear Maynard didn't stop

You don't understand physics or momentum. When you jump up vertically you're slowing your current forwatd moment.

He can't literally stop like hitting a wall, but he's stopping as he jumps up.

Also he was not not going at full pace as you suggest. So many things you get wrong.