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Plugger35 said:
He could have pushed him over the line with less force, he pushed him with so much force it was inevitable he would collide with the fence or something else.

It might be a contact sport but players still have a duty of care to each other.
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But curiously - not to themselves
 
ossie_21 said:
Ah ok. He looked very proppy trying to get off the field, wouldn’t have thought that was for rib damage though
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Distorted view of reality.Watching tv and making conclusions from that and the tv commentary will do that to ya.
Guelfi cleared of any structual damage and is fine might have a security guard knee/shin shaped bruise on his chest but.
 
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The Emu said:
No it clearly isn't.. Guelfi's foot is already past the line when McGovern actually makes contact with the BUMP. He then goes from the BUMP action to a PUSH action way past the boundary line. Absolutely unnecessary for him to turn the bump into a push considering how far over the boundary he was by then. This statement about hurting his neck also suggest high contact in the grading. See what the medical report says.

"He felt as if he'd hurt his back and neck in the crash, so they're just double-checking that so we can find out if he's OK to fly home.

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Heaven help me...I dont know why I am defending him as 2 weeks off would be perfect....But go back to this frame...Foot is in play. McGovern is committed to the bump. He is a big tub of lard...cant really stop....
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Plugger35 said:
He could have pushed him over the line with less force, he pushed him with so much force it was inevitable he would collide with the fence or something else.

It might be a contact sport but players still have a duty of care to each other.
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The only ones who keep sprouting this duty of care stuff can only be people who have never played competitive sport.
While by definition it is a good thing the reality is that the last thing any sports person has on there mine in a contact sport is a duty of care for their opponent, now of course they don't want to see any person seriously injured but in the heat of a clash and in that minute or second if you reckon players are thinking about their opponents then you are wrong. They don't care and it's not even minutely in their thought pattern.
 
Plugger35 said:
He could have pushed him over the line with less force, he pushed him with so much force it was inevitable he would collide with the fence or something else.

It might be a contact sport but players still have a duty of care to each other.
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Gov should have checked first to see if there was any furniture in the way and if the stadium had padded the fenceline more adequately as well.

If this bump occurred in general play nowhere near the fence you wouldnt be talking about force or duty of care.

Go whinge to the AFL and the stadium for not pulling the sideline in another 1 or 2 meters. What about their duty of care?

Some seriously soft as sh!t soccer mum BS being writen in this thread.

Should of just elbowed him in the head like Abett, Fyfe and Brown.
 
The Emu said:
No it clearly isn't.. Guelfi's foot is already past the line when McGovern actually makes contact with the BUMP. He then goes from the BUMP action to a PUSH action way past the boundary line. Absolutely unnecessary for him to turn the bump into a push considering how far over the boundary he was by then. This statement about hurting his neck also suggest high contact in the grading. See what the medical report says.

"He felt as if he'd hurt his back and neck in the crash, so they're just double-checking that so we can find out if he's OK to fly home.

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And yet the picture you have sent, it CLEARLY is, lol, use your eyes man. You do understand the foot must be completely over the line right? And Mcgovern is clearly making contact in that photo, the bump has begun. Just look at the freaking photo dude. And the rule book doesn't even state that Mcgovern has to be making contact, he just has to be committed to the action, and in that context, hes even further in play.
 
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Obeanie1 said:
Gov should have checked first to see if there was any furniture in the way and if the stadium had padded the fenceline more adequately as well.

If this bump occurred in general play nowhere near the fence you wouldnt be talking about force or duty of care.

Go whinge to the AFL and the stadium for not pulling the sideline in another 1 or 2 meters. What about their duty of care?

Some seriously soft as sh!t soccer mum BS being writen in this thread.

Should of just elbowed him in the head like Abett, Fyfe and Brown.
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The funny thing is that with what is deemed suspension worthy these days they might as well just King Hit them and move on.
 
The Emu said:
No it clearly isn't.. Guelfi's foot is already past the line when McGovern actually makes contact with the BUMP. He then goes from the BUMP action to a PUSH action way past the boundary line. Absolutely unnecessary for him to turn the bump into a push considering how far over the boundary he was by then. This statement about hurting his neck also suggest high contact in the grading. See what the medical report says.

"He felt as if he'd hurt his back and neck in the crash, so they're just double-checking that so we can find out if he's OK to fly home.

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You seriously need new glasses or need to open both eyes.

The heal of his foot is clearly on the line. The leading leg and his body qnd the ball is still in play.

Gov bumps with the shoulder clearly not high. The force of impact is from the shoulder to the body not a push.

You bump someone with a shoulder they go flying and your arms follow the same direction as the bump. Thats not a second motion.

You are seriously embarrassing yourself in this thread buddy!
 
If anyone understands geometry - there was no direct push at the fence anyway.

The only way to get Guelfi heading in a direct line towards the boundary given his direction of travel was for gov to push him backwards on the 45 degrees to the fence.

two blokes coming at 45 degrees - created the vector in direct line to the boundary

But we know that christian thinks players should calculate weight:weight ratios mid tackle - so he's also assuming a fat kid from albany can do year 11 maths.
 

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greatwhiteshark said:
The only ones who keep sprouting this duty of care stuff can only be people who have never played competitive sport.
While by definition it is a good thing the reality is that the last thing any sports person has on there mine in a contact sport is a duty of care for their opponent, now of course they don't want to see any person seriously injured but in the heat of a clash and in that minute or second if you reckon players are thinking about their opponents then you are wrong. They don't care and it's not even minutely in their thought pattern.
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I've played competitive sport, both football and rugby, and I know you don't need that much force to push someone over the boundary line in that situation.

You see numerous players pushed over the boundary line but they don't get looked at by the MRP because there wasn't excessive force used like McGovern.

Players should be aware of a duty of care for their opponents which is why things like spear or sling tackles are illegal as they don't show a duty of care.

Obeanie1 said:
Gov should have checked first to see if there was any furniture in the way and if the stadium had padded the fenceline more adequately as well.

If this bump occurred in general play nowhere near the fence you wouldnt be talking about force or duty of care.

Go whinge to the AFL and the stadium for not pulling the sideline in another 1 or 2 meters. What about their duty of care?

Some seriously soft as sh!t soccer mum BS being writen in this thread.

Should of just elbowed him in the head like Abett, Fyfe and Brown.
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There is a difference between pushing someone in the middle of the field to pushing them near a fence, just like there's a difference between pushing someone in the middle of a field and pushing them near a cliff, one is dangerous and the other isn't.

The person pushing them should be aware of any potential dangers when pushing someone, it's not like the fence or the security guard sitting in his chair appeared out of thin air, McGovern should have been aware of them.
 
Asapartyhat said:
Why so defensive .That was just plain everyday benign chat lel.
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lol more the other guy who's been a knob to other people as well, very passive aggressive for no real reason
 
nowhere near enough run-off area seems to be the culprit here, if only the afl could forego advertising at ground level and have some padded barriers but thats a pipe dream i suppose.

Gov shouldn't get anything for it, fault is in the stadium design
 

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