McLeod/Harvey/Sinclair (Panic?)

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Well heard these rumours today from what I would say was a reasonable source but they're not verified. As a BF member I feel duty bound to share the info.

I personally hope they're are not true, and we must remember it is the start of the silly season

Make of this what you will

Harvey is getting a lot of pressure from Deni$ to go to Carlton, there's no formal offer from Carlton at moment and no indication of what they would give up to get him over.

(I would think Nth would want Carltons first two picks, 9 & 25 or 9 & a Player which is similar to what we were offering for Rawlings last year)

As a contingency incase we loose Harvs, Nth have put out feelers for McLeod, who is interested in comming to Melb because his wife intends to move over with her work. (have no idea what she does)

Apparently we have made an initial offer of our 1st Rd pick 10 plus Sinclair for McLeod.

If the deals go through we

loose: Harvs and Sinclair and pick 10

Gain McLeod, picks 9 and 25 or a player.

Reading between the lines that could mean we may trade pick 9 and 25 for Simmonds and Longmuir.

Our drafting would then be Jesse Smith and picks 26 & 57 however we are then left with a gap if we delist the Claytons, Robbins and Baird etc.

These gaps would need to be filled by either very late picks in the National Draft or picks in the Preseason Draft.

Obviously the trading for Simmonds and Longmuir is just a senario I put in myself.
 
Id trade boomer to Carlton for pick 9 and Jarrad Waite! or there young key defender...

Mcleod, nar dont go for him....

sinclair, keep him to keep the girls happy
 
That trade isn't bad but I don't think the Crows would do it purely because we have a lot of HBF and have no real need for Jess Sinclair.

Hows about:

McLeod ----> Nth Melbourne
Daniel Harris + 2nd round pick ----> Crows

Bearing in mind the draft is weak and a 2nd round pick won't be any guarantee whatsoever. Maybe we could add a 3rd rounder to even it up a bit but what do you think? I know you guys rate Harris highly but...
 

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Thinking about it a bit more, Kangas really only have Wells coming through as a silky, skilful midfielder, most of your others are ballwinning, hard workers eg Simpson, Harris, Grant to a lesser extent, etc. Maybe you could use a 'finisher' like Mcleod to get good supply for Motlop, Saveloy and Petrie.

Don't know if you guys would want to part with D. Harris though.
 
I wouldn't trade Harris for the first 15 picks in the draft. He is one of 3 (the others being Wells and Simpson) who are not for sale under any circumstances.
 
You guys are nuts.

Boomer had a bad year due to OP, he is a very good player and wouldn't want us to trade him unless he just didn't want to play for us anymore. If that was the case, I would trade for early picks, not some guy who will be washed up in a few years.

We need young key position players, we have plenty of receivers.
 
snakebite01 said:
That trade isn't bad but I don't think the Crows would do it purely because we have a lot of HBF and have no real need for Jess Sinclair.

Hows about:

McLeod ----> Nth Melbourne
Daniel Harris + 2nd round pick ----> Crows

Bearing in mind the draft is weak and a 2nd round pick won't be any guarantee whatsoever. Maybe we could add a 3rd rounder to even it up a bit but what do you think? I know you guys rate Harris highly but...
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McLeod is long past his prime.

As good a player as he is, I wouldn't want the club to draft anyone over the age of 25. They just wont be around long enough to be worth the effort.
 
Tas said:
You guys are nuts.

Boomer had a bad year due to OP, he is a very good player and wouldn't want us to trade him unless he just didn't want to play for us anymore. If that was the case, I would trade for early picks, not some guy who will be washed up in a few years.

We need young key position players, we have plenty of receivers.
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Tas, I agree with you big time (as I said I hope it's all crap)
 
Interesting scenerio you've heard there Greg. Would be very surprised to see Harvey go, but if your mail is correct, then so be it l guess, hopefully we trade hard to secure the best we can for that. As for getting McLeod as compensation, dont think this would be a great idea, l'd rather we kept our early picks and let Stibbard do his thing.

Either way, should be interesting few weeks coming up.

Wrath
 
greg said:
Tas, I agree with you big time (as I said I hope it's all crap)
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Hehehe, was just referring to the posts where we would trade boomer to carlton. Dont want to see us given them anyone that can play football.

Laidley just has to sit and think. Instead of looking at who we are going after just ask himself why does the opposition side want our player(s). That should have been the alarm bell that kept Teague here. :p
 
Wrath said:
Interesting scenerio you've heard there Greg. Would be very surprised to see Harvey go, but if your mail is correct, then so be it l guess, hopefully we trade hard to secure the best we can for that. As for getting McLeod as compensation, dont think this would be a great idea, l'd rather we kept our early picks and let Stibbard do his thing.

Either way, should be interesting few weeks coming up.

Wrath
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Yes Wrathy it will be interesting, however I'm hoping it's not this dramatic.

Would be good if someone closer to the club can find out anything, however all cards would probably be very close to the chest at the moment.
 

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The fact that we aren't fighting for Brent Harvey's services would be a joke, the guy is Brownlow material. Jeez a year of OP really blinds some supporters. The guy just turned 26, not 46, he is still in him prime, and with the summer to get over his injury and get into 2005 at full speed, he will again be our most valuable, dangerous and able footballer.
 
snakebite01 said:
Thinking about it a bit more, Kangas really only have Wells coming through as a silky, skilful midfielder, most of your others are ballwinning, hard workers eg Simpson, Harris, Grant to a lesser extent, etc. Maybe you could use a 'finisher' like Mcleod to get good supply for Motlop, Saveloy and Petrie.

Don't know if you guys would want to part with D. Harris though.
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The figure was mentioned that Daniel Harris has the highest posessions in the AFL per amount of game time he has played. Now why would we swap a player who is going going to be brilliant for us, for a player well past his best, plus a top 10 pick?? :mad: .

Wombat is not going anywhere but to Arden Street.
 
What a load of F[BEEEP} crap!!!

What on earth would possess our club to think of trading:

Boomer: first crap year in ages, other than that, he's the best crumbing forward/midfieder in the comp let only the cleverest!

Harro: what, his break out year and you want to get rid of a potential 10 year player whose use of the ball and ball winning this year surpassed everyone's expectations?

gezz...end of season starts the Jerry Springer trading rumour mill.

How about something useful like saying ta ta to Watt!
 
snakebite01 said:
Hows about:

McLeod ----> Nth Melbourne
Daniel Harris + 2nd round pick ----> Crows

Bearing in mind the draft is weak and a 2nd round pick won't be any guarantee whatsoever. Maybe we could add a 3rd rounder to even it up a bit but what do you think? I know you guys rate Harris highly but...
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Er right....McLeod whose best is behind him for Harris whose best is in front of him.

It'd be like the Carey deal, only we're swapping places.
 
greg said:
Make of this what you will

Harvey is getting a lot of pressure from Deni$ to go to Carlton, there's no formal offer from Carlton at moment and no indication of what they would give up to get him over.

(I would think Nth would want Carltons first two picks, 9 & 25 or 9 & a Player which is similar to what we were offering for Rawlings last year)
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As we saw with the Colbert deal, Pagan isn't opposed to giving away draft pick to get a player he wants. It was only a couple of years ago that there were stories that Pagan was willing to give up his priority pick for Trent Croad, but was overruled by the Carlton recruiting department.

If we can get at least the Blues first two picks, then I'd be happy for the deal to go through. Boomer is 25, he may have a couple of good years in front of him, but will he get that much better? And it opens up a spot for another of the kids.
 
Shinboners said:
If we can get at least the Blues first two picks, then I'd be happy for the deal to go through. Boomer is 25, he may have a couple of good years in front of him, but will he get that much better? And it opens up a spot for another of the kids.
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Yeah. Given Pagan's record and his apparant want to trade with us, I could see this kind of deal going through. Nothing wrong with it. Another short term fix for Carlton and another couple of pieces of our long term puzzle. I know which I'd rather.
 
Shinboners said:
As we saw with the Colbert deal, Pagan isn't opposed to giving away draft pick to get a player he wants. It was only a couple of years ago that there were stories that Pagan was willing to give up his priority pick for Trent Croad, but was overruled by the Carlton recruiting department.

If we can get at least the Blues first two picks, then I'd be happy for the deal to go through. Boomer is 25, he may have a couple of good years in front of him, but will he get that much better? And it opens up a spot for another of the kids.
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Todays paper suggests there are some murmerings down at Optus Oval in relation to Fevola. If they are so keen to get Harvey, maybe we could do a straight swap, Harvey for Fevola. l dont want to see Harvey leave, but if boomer makes that decision, then yeah, Fevola or their first 2 picks would do me fine.

Wrath
 
:eek: Heard on radio today that Shannon Grant had both Harvey boys over to his house and then got stuck into Shane and blamed him for Boomer having a bad year. Evidently some things that happened at the club by younger brother were not acceptable. :eek:
 
Shinboners said:
If we can get at least the Blues first two picks, then I'd be happy for the deal to go through. Boomer is 25, he may have a couple of good years in front of him, but will he get that much better? And it opens up a spot for another of the kids.
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25 isn't old at all in footballing terms, and we all know how good Boomer can be when he's fit and firing. Also, from 2000-03, Boomer hardy ever had a bad game. Even this year, he still kicked 30 odd goals.

If Pagan wants him, he can give up Thornton or Fevola. Picks nine and 25 don't do it for me in this year's draft, especially considering Boomer could theoretically have another 5+ decent years in him.
 
Wrath said:
Todays paper suggests there are some murmerings down at Optus Oval in relation to Fevola. If they are so keen to get Harvey, maybe we could do a straight swap, Harvey for Fevola. l dont want to see Harvey leave, but if boomer makes that decision, then yeah, Fevola or their first 2 picks would do me fine.
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Fevola, Carlton, and Pagan are in an interesting situation. As we know, Fevola is pretty much a "free spirit", someone who doesn't mind speaking his mind and following his own instincts. Pagan has brought out the best in him, but how long will Fevola prosper under Pagan's discipline? I reckon in a few years time, he'll follow the path of blokes like Schwass and Pike, get sick of it, and move on.

But should be take on Fevola? I have my doubts. He has been pushed hard by Pagan to get to his current output, but Pagan is the first coach to have done so. He didn't respond to Parkin or Brittain - I'm not really sure whether he's worth the risk. My gut instinct says that Fevola may finish up in a similar way to Alan Jakovich - brilliant on his day, but too much of his own man to really make the most of his abilities.
 
I would like to see the club try and get good charismatic players. Off-field is as important as on-field for the club to not only survive but to thrive. We just do not have any players that are good with the media or go onto many shows like the Footy show, etc.

King was very good on TV, well spoken and not a mellon head, but he just didn't do much TV. I am surprised guys like Grant or Boomer do very little TV.

I wouldn't mind some high profile players come to us, but would hate to lose any good existing player, especially Boomer. He polled 16 brownlow votes last year, and has polled 66 in his career to date. That is an awesome player we are testing the trade water with.
 

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