Toast McRae era (2022-) = see OP

[loki04]

In a way is is on a hiding to nothing. The players you point out are struggling and wont be part of our next successful team. Flys problem is our youth will also have a lot in that category also. We have a lot of kids but not many from the better parts of the draft so it will require an outperformance to get us up the ladder in the next few seasons. As others have suggested Fly is likely to run out of time before the list build reaps fruit. Its unlikely to be soon enough for him.

Any coach coming in to a full rebuild needs to be backed in for 6 years minimum unless something seriously bad happens after year 3 or 4.

We haven't even hit the bottom yet imo, as the club only half reset and half tried to test the waters for finals. Like they have a foot in each camp winning vs rebuilding.

 

[loki04]

While you say there’s no individuals banging the door down that might be true…. But as a collective the whole team is banging the door down!!!!

There’s actually a case to be had that the best development path right now is actually in the VFL team…… because they are winning, and they are building a great brand of football and playing with a lot of cohesion. Admittedly that’s partly due to a strong list of VFL listed players, but regardless the afl listed kids will learn a lot from that winning culture that’s being developed.

How many of those doing that are vfl listed vs our actual afl team talents?

That's the issue some very food vfl players can carry the can for youth.

 

[loki04]

Either way, AFL games weren't magical development chips the way they are spoken about here.

It depends on the player and imo a mix if both is ideal. Kids need to taste it to see where it's at. Some thrive in it and it expedites them, especially ones who are vfl dominant.

I'd argue Henry is the type who should build good dominating vfl form over a block bfr promotion to AFL.

Instead it's one outstanding vfl game then promotion, there is no back up of form to see him garner real form and belief.

 

[sr36]

It depends on the player and imo a mix if both is ideal. Kids need to taste it to see where it's at. Some thrive in it and it expedites them, especially ones who are vfl dominant.

I'd argue Henry is the type who should build good dominating vfl form over a block bfr promotion to AFL.

Instead it's one outstanding vfl game then promotion, there is no back up of form to see him garner real form and belief.

I think it comes down to resilience. Those who are just going to keep bouncing back up when they get knocked down, either physically, through errors or being beaten will benefit. But this type develop in a vacuum, so it doesn't really matter what you do with them. Others need to have more successes to build their confidence.

 

[TradeDraft]

Clarko was pretty shit in his first season too.

We finished 2nd Last in MM first Season

 

[cityslick1]

I'm happy with our progress under McRae. A few good youngsters coming through and a few good experienced players that are still young enough to challenge in a few years. Fill in the gaps, get lucky in the draft and/or the trade market, and I reckon we'll be a strong side in 2024 onwards.

Don't stress about the losses, as much they hurt, think ahead and find the positives. The higher the draft pick the better.

like the positivity, but think it will take longer than that. With Roughead, Howe, Pendles and Sidey all on the verge of retirement... throw in Elliott and Mihocek getting close... we havent bottomed out yet. We have a coach that players will want to play for though, which should help with trading and retention

 

[stevebbb]

like the positivity, but think it will take longer than that. With Roughead, Howe, Pendles and Sidey all on the verge of retirement... throw in Elliott and Mihocek getting close... we havent bottomed out yet. We have a coach that players will want to play for though, which should help with trading and retention

Every Premiership winning side has a group of 28-32 year olds. I think our top end talent is good, and some of our young players are great. We need to fill in the gaps, which also involves a lot of luck.

At the end of 2020 I was going on about Brodie, Wright and Ronke as cheap pick-ups. Majority of people said no way. Maybe not Ronke of course because we have Ginnivan and McCreery, and he's not that special (mind you he's played a few games this year; 6/9 played), but with Brodie and 2MP, we would be a much much much better side. A couple of close losses, put those downs as wins.

We need to be brave and trade a big name, get as many high draft picks as we can, and then take a punt on a couple out-of-favour players from other sides.

Maybe I'm too optimistic, but I'm very bullish on our best ~16 players:

FB: Moore, Maynard, ???
HF: Quaynor, Crisp, Noble,
C: JDaicos, Lipinski, NDaicos
HF: Henry, Elliott, ???
FF: Ginnivan, Mihocek, McCreery
R: Adams, Grundy, De Goey
INT: ???, ???, ???, ???

Nobody over 29.5 years old

Tigers just got Gibcus, a ready made KPD, with pick 9 in the draft

I'm open to letting De Goey go if it gets us a top pick

 

[sr36]

Every Premiership winning side has a group of 28-32 year olds. I think our top end talent is good, and some of our young players are great. We need to fill in the gaps, which also involves a lot of luck.

At the end of 2020 I was going on about Brodie, Wright and Ronke as cheap pick-ups. Majority of people said no way. Maybe not Ronke of course because we have Ginnivan and McCreery, and he's not that special (mind you he's played a few games this year; 6/9 played), but with Brodie and 2MP, we would be a much much much better side. A couple of close losses, put those downs as wins.

We need to be brave and trade a big name, get as many high draft picks as we can, and then take a punt on a couple out-of-favour players from other sides.

Maybe I'm too optimistic, but I'm very bullish on our best ~16 players:

FB: Moore, Maynard, ???
HF: Quaynor, Crisp, Noble,
C: JDaicos, Lipinski, NDaicos
HF: Henry, Elliott, ???
FF: Ginnivan, Mihocek, McCreery
R: Adams, Grundy, De Goey
INT: ???, ???, ???, ???

Nobody over 29.5 years old

Tigers just got Gibcus, a ready made KPD, with pick 9 in the draft

I'm open to letting De Goey go if it gets us a top pick

We've got a good but shallow group of players, but when you drill down and look at the more contested roles - inside mid and KPP - we're really weak. Which is a big issue in terms of a quick bounce through the draft as they usually take years through the draft. To become contenders any time soon, we'll need to trade them in or use free agency.

 

[loki04]

Every Premiership winning side has a group of 28-32 year olds. I think our top end talent is good, and some of our young players are great. We need to fill in the gaps, which also involves a lot of luck.

At the end of 2020 I was going on about Brodie, Wright and Ronke as cheap pick-ups. Majority of people said no way. Maybe not Ronke of course because we have Ginnivan and McCreery, and he's not that special (mind you he's played a few games this year; 6/9 played), but with Brodie and 2MP, we would be a much much much better side. A couple of close losses, put those downs as wins.

We need to be brave and trade a big name, get as many high draft picks as we can, and then take a punt on a couple out-of-favour players from other sides.

Maybe I'm too optimistic, but I'm very bullish on our best ~16 players:

FB: Moore, Maynard, ???
HF: Quaynor, Crisp, Noble,
C: JDaicos, Lipinski, NDaicos
HF: Henry, Elliott, ???
FF: Ginnivan, Mihocek, McCreery
R: Adams, Grundy, De Goey
INT: ???, ???, ???, ???

Nobody over 29.5 years old

Tigers just got Gibcus, a ready made KPD, with pick 9 in the draft

I'm open to letting De Goey go if it gets us a top pick

In 3 years when this group is maturing these will be the ages.


Mihocek 33
Elliott 32
Grundy 32 in April that season.
Adams 31
Crisp 31
Moore 30
Degoey 30

 

[Timmy from Thomastown]

How many of those doing that are vfl listed vs our actual afl team talents?

That's the issue some very food vfl players can carry the can for youth.

We have a lot of injuries at present. There were only 8 AFL listed players out there last week.

Not really sure if you are trying to agree or disagree with me but the opportunity to develop surely is enhanced if you’re playing in a winning team with a workable game plan. Which is where our VFL side is at the moment.

 

[loki04]

We have a lot of injuries at present. There were only 8 AFL listed players out there last week.

Not really sure if you are trying to agree or disagree with me but the opportunity to develop surely is enhanced if you’re playing in a winning team with a workable game plan. Which is where our VFL side is at the moment.

Sorry I read it as you evaluating the list strength through strong vfl form, I came into the convo and didn't back read too far.

 

[TradeDraft]

With Henry and Poulter being Dropped Shows that Fly not a Huge Fan of Playing Kids

 

[jmac70]

I can see this becoming the new Buckley thread. Good luck Fly…

 

[TradeDraft]

I can see this becoming the new Buckley thread. Good luck Fly…

He is Head Coach so he should be Open for Postive and Negative Comments.

Don't like it then don't read it

 

[jmac70]

He is Head Coach so he should be Open for Postive and Negative Comments.

Don't like it then don't read it

I’m happy to read your posts TD. Just think it might be a bit early to say he doesn’t like playing kids.

 

[TradeDraft]

I’m happy to read your posts TD. Just think it might be a bit early to say he doesn’t like playing kids.

Fair Enough but I am not the Biggest Fan of Bringing a Kid in then Dropping them unless they had a Terrible Game.

Poulter did not have one and Henry Goal Kicking was Bad but was not our Worst

 

[jmac70]

Fair Enough but I am not the Biggest Fan of Bringing a Kid in then Dropping them unless they had a Terrible Game.

Poulter did not have one and Henry Goal Kicking was Bad but was not our Worst

Henry is out because Billy is back.

 

[The Royal Sampler]

With Henry and Poulter being Dropped Shows that Fly not a Huge Fan of Playing Kids

Or not a huge fan of playing kids who aren’t at the required level yet.

 

[TradeDraft]

Or not a huge fan of playing kids who aren’t at the required level yet.

I know you don't Rate Poulter but I do and I Henry had more of an Impact vs Dogs then Mcrerry

 

[The Royal Sampler]

I know you don't Rate Poulter but I do and I Henry had more of an Impact vs Dogs then Mcrerry

Poulter was ok, I’d be happy if he remained but can see why he’d make way for more experienced players.

Henry shit the bed and needs to go back and work on his craft at VFL level again.

 

[loki04]

Poulter was ok, I’d be happy if he remained but can see why he’d make way for more experienced players.

Henry shit the bed and needs to go back and work on his craft at VFL level again.

I can see why with Henry (dont want to mentally scar him although dropping after a match can do that too) but Poulter, Macrea, Ginni, Mcreery, and Reef all need to play as much as possible.

Henry shouldn’t have been promoted off a single vfl game anyway.

A call needs to be made on CBrown, WhE etc to go back down to vfl.

 

[PonsfordMagpie]

OP updated after Round 10.

 

[Timmy from Thomastown]

Poulter was ok, I’d be happy if he remained but can see why he’d make way for more experienced players.

Henry shit the bed and needs to go back and work on his craft at VFL level again.

Yeah nah

 

[The Royal Sampler]

Yeah nah

Maybe coming in as a sub he thought he had less pressure on him. Whatever the reason, despite the tougher conditions and poorer for kicking, he wasn’t looking to pass the buck this week. Good on him.

 

[nahnah]

Maybe coming in as a sub he thought he had less pressure on him. Whatever the reason, despite the tougher conditions and poorer for kicking, he wasn’t looking to pass the buck this week. Good on him.

His worst games have been at Marvel not sure if coincidence or something impacting him there