Merged Trade/Delistings threads

[ant555]

Re: Line up vs Richmond.

But it is true!

It may well be but we have him for another year. He wont be traded so give it a rest.

 

[The Dustbin]

Trading for AFL players and picks

TRADING for players and picks can be nothing more than a gamble, writes Rod Nicholson.

It has rich rewards if you get it right, but dire consequences if you get it wrong reports.

This is the year of a potential trading frenzy: a time for AFL clubs to get the key players they see as their future and to dispose of those not part of the plan.

It is an especially important year given that next year’s draft will be compromised by the generous concessions granted to the Gold Coast club.

AFL clubs are concentrating heavily on player movement, looking to shore up playing lists with trade deals.

One man’s trash is another man’s treasure. Or to interpret, one club’s off-cast is another club’s windfall.

The Sunday Herald Sun has put together a few guidelines to "selling" and "buying" and also listed the likely trade bait at season’s end.

The entire process is far more complex and risky than at first glance.

As with any trade, you must offer up reasonable quality if you hope to get anything in return. Conversely, if you want a player, you must be prepared to pay for him.

Therein lies most of the problems: clubs want a player for as little as possible, and don’t particularly like other clubs sniffing around players or draft picks they want to retain.

In past years, such demands have scuppered a trade. But this year, clubs will be more prepared to gamble because they may see limited draft opportunities next season.

A golden rule for clubs is to trade for footballers who can address their team’s deficiencies, to seek players to fill holes.

But sometimes it can bring a club undone. For instance, the Kangaroos were slaughtered by Port Adelaide’s Warren Tredrea in the 2005 elimination final.

Understandably, the Roos reacted by going out and trading for a key defender, in this case Hawthorn’s Jonathan Hay. The trade turned out to be a dismal failure.

Sometimes clubs can go for experienced players, in their late 20s, if they believe they can get them over the line to a premiership.

Fremantle, thinking it could push into flag contention with a couple of more experienced players than it had in 2006 – when the Dockers finished fourth – went out and traded for Magpie forward Chris Tarrant and Bombers defender Dean Solomon.

They added Bombers veteran Mark Johnson at the end of 2007.

The team has collapsed this season, and there are now two less young colts to throw into the rebuilding mix for next season.

Adelaide also went out of its way to secure Wayne Carey for the 2003 season, thinking he could make the difference between preliminary finalist and premier.

The club had finished top of the ladder in 2002, but failed to make the top four with Carey in its ranks, and a handful of games later he retired.

His 28 games had cost the Crows the No.2 draft pick, which North Melbourne used to snare Daniel Wells.

There is a thin line between who is a valuable and competitive trade commodity, and who is not.

And timing is vital.

A footballer might be a best-and-fairest winner one season, then within a couple of years be struggling to make the best 22 and have virtually no trade currency.

Consider some recent club champions who fall into that category: Carlton’s David Teague (2004), Essendon’s Jason Johnson (2005) and Melbourne’s Jeff White (2004).

Clubs can end with a player in decline, but still being paid handsomely. With virtually no prospect of solving the problem at the trade table.

Another issue that comes into play is salary-cap pressure, which can lead to some calculated, almost cruel decisions.

Essendon won the 2000 premiership, but because of salary-cap problems had to let go Blake Caracella to the Brisbane Lions (where he played in another premiership), Chris Heffernan to Melbourne and Justin Blumfield to Richmond.

Caracella had played 126 games, Blumfield 129 and Heffernan 97.

Their departure deprived Essendon of tremendous experience in its middle ranks.

So much so that then coach Kevin Sheedy declared "it cost us a chance of another premiership during our window of opportunity".

The fact the Players Association has insisted that all clubs must have full lists has blocked one option. In previous seasons clubs could go with one or two players fewer on their lists, but no longer.

"Not only did we lose three quality players, we strengthened the opposition," Sheedy said, "and because we had to let them go, because all the clubs knew of the salary-cap problem we faced, we didn’t get offered their market value."

There are two distinctive trade methods: one with obvious benefits and the other using blind faith.

Essendon traded Paul Salmon and knew what it would get in return – players they had seen in action – Sean Wellman from Adelaide and Paul Bernard from Hawthorn.

Yet they traded Damien Hardwick to Port Adelaide, and were given two draft choices – not knowing if they would get players they really wanted.

ADELAIDE

Untouchable

Nathan Bock: Young centre half-back.Andrew McLeod: Club great and still a key ball-getter.


Trading cards

Kurt Tippett: Brisbane Lions might target the ex-Queensland basketballer now ruckman/forward). Brent Reilly: A goal-sneak, who will be sought by Victorian clubs.

Forget it

Graham Johncock, Simon Goodwin, Brett Burton.

Brisbane Lions

Untouchable

Luke Power: Future of the engine room.


Trading cards

Jonathan Brown: Comes out of contract and, with his 27th birthday approaching, his crash and bash style may begin to take its toll on his body.

Jed Adcock: From Maryborough, the 22-year-old midfielder is always on the Victorian teams’ radar.
Michael Rischitelli: Another young Victorian midfielder coming out of contract.


Forget it

Nigel Lappin, Simon Black.



Carlton

Untouchable

Chris Judd, Bryce Gibbs, Matthew Kruezer and Marc Murphy: All have about a decade ahead of them, and are the core of the club’s future.


Trading cards

Brendan Fevola: Expensive for Carlton, but a match-winner who will attract many clubs if new contract not signed.


Forget it

Nick Stevens.



Collingwood

Untouchable

Travis Cloke: A rarity – a gun centre half-forward with 10 years of football ahead.


Trading cards

Josh Fraser: At 26 the former No.1 draft pick still has currency, but the ruckman is reaching the point of no return.

Forget it

Anthony Rocca, Scott Burns.



Essendon

Untouchable

Matthew Lloyd and Dustin Fletcher: Club greats, and offer salary-cap relief by being on the veterans’ list.


Trading cards

Andrew Lovett: A quality speedster, the 25-year-old but could be up for grabs because of off-field dramas.


Forget it

Scott Lucas, Damien Peverill, Jason Johnson, Mal Michael.



Fremantle

Untouchable

Matthew Pavlich: Dockers’ one legitimate match-winner. Rhys Palmer: Not going to trade away another gifted youngster.


Trading cards

David Mundy: Word is the 23-year-old Victorian defender has attracted interested in his home state, notably from Hawthorn.

Robert Warnock: The 206cm ruckman. Only 21 and of interest to Melbourne.


Forget it

Jeff Farmer, Mark Johnson, Dean Solomon.


Geelong

Untouchable

Gary Ablett, Matthew Scarlett and Jimmy Bartel: Club greats and considered among the AFL’s elite. Joel Selwood: Arguably the best young player in the land.


Trading cards

Brent Prismall: Talented mid-fielder who can’t break into the Cats’ best 22, but is of considerable interest to other clubs.


Forget it

Tom Harley, Darren Milburn, Nathan Ablett.


Hawthorn

Untouchable

Lance Franklin and Jarryd Roughead: Gun young key forwards.

Luke Hodge: Midfielder and leader at 24.


Trading cards

Tim Boyle: The 24-year-old struggles to carve out a spot as a tall forward.

Mark Williams: Also slightly surplus to needs, but would be of interest to other clubs. Beau Dowler and Mitch Thorp: Neither first round draft pick has made an impact.


Forget it

Shane Crawford, Sam Mitchell, Trent Croad.



Melbourne

Untouchable

James McDonald: Spirit of the club.

Aaron Davey: Legitimately exciting younger player and one of the few marketable faces at a club looking to market itself.


Trading cards

Brad Miller: The 25-year-old’s height makes him a target for other clubs. Colin Sylvia: Because of his social issues.


Forget it

Cameron Bruce, Jeff White, Russell Robertson, Adem Yze.



North Melbourne

Untouchable

Hamish McIntosh, Brent Harvey.


Trading cards

Daniel Wells: At only 23, the dazzling midfielder is coming out of contract and will attract attention from the west.

Lachlan Hansen: The Roos’ No.3 draft pick in 2006 is believed to be very appealing as a tonic for the Carlton defence. Jesse Smith: A quality youngster, high on Hawthorn wish list.


Forget it

Shannon Grant, Adam Simpson.

Port Adelaide


Untouchable

Chad and Kane Cornes.


Trading cards

Troy Chaplin: The 22-year-old Victorian centre-half-back is a quality trade proposition.

Danyle Pearce: 2006 Rising Star with undoubted class, but looks as though he needs a fresh start, which would appeal to several clubs.


Forget it

Warren Tredrea.



Richmond

Untouchable

Matthew Richardson, Nathan Brown: Both quality forwards and immensely popular


Trading cards

Andrew Raines: Jordan McMahon seems to have taken his place in team, but Raines would still appeal elsewhere.

Richard Tambling: Improving, but still presents as an untapped, but expendable talent.


Forget it

Mark Coughlan, Kane Johnson.



|St Kilda

Untouchable

Nick Riewoldt: Key forward and competition’s youngest captain.

Justin Koschitzke and Brendon Goddard: Yet to hit their peak, but seem poised to.


Trading cards

Nick Dal Santo: Seems to be treading water and would be on good money.

Stephen Milne: Spasmodic performer who is coming out of contract.

Xavier and Raphael Clarke: Have failed to seize the numerous chances offered them.


Forget it

Fraser Gehrig, Robert Harvey.

Sydney

Untouchable

Adam Goodes: Adds a touch of class to a hard-working outfit. Brett Kirk: The soul and guts of the club.


Trading cards

Barry Hall: Should any club want to take him on.


Forget it

Leo Barry, Nick Davis, Peter Everitt, Michael O’Loughlin.

West Coast

Untouchable

Dean Cox: About the only standout, must-keep player. Brad Ebert: Regarded internally as the best of the young crop.


Trading cards

Daniel Kerr: Will be a high priority trade target. Richmond is the talk of the town. Ashley Hansen: Premiership centre half-forward who could return to Victoria.


Forget it

David Wirrpanda, Adam Hunter.

Western Bulldogs

Untouchable

Adam Cooney, Robert Murphy, Ryan Griffen.


Trading cards

Lindsay Gilbee: All-Australian a couple of season’s ago and highly rated for his kicking. Peter Street: Not too many 211cm ruckman floating around.

Nathan Eagleton: Has the pace and skill to top off certain clubs’ midfields, but it would be a case of trade now or never at 29.

Forget it

Scott West, Brad Johnson, Jason Akermanis.



WHEN LOOKING FOR A PLAYER

1 Absolutely need that type in your line-up

2 Aged about 24 and coming to career peak

3 Longevity – must look to get 100-plus games from your new charge

4 Preferably look for a key position or tall player because they are hardest to snare

5 Ensure recruit doesn’t pressure your salary cap to the detriment of others


WHEN DISPOSING OF A PLAYER

1 Trade players who still have currency
but who are heading over the hill

2 Look at any player 27 or older whose best is behind him

3 Put up a player who is one of any number of similar types in your team (consider position, age, weight, height, number of games, potential)

4 Put a player on the market if he threatens your salary cap, or may threaten it, but who can be replaced by a similar player at less cost

5 Consider a player who has off-field issues that disrupt the club

Herald Sun July 20, 2008

I doubt Lovett will be going anyway. Knights has publicly backed him and has said on more then one occasion that he has a role to play at the club going forward.

Obviously Rod wrote this before Dal Santo murdered Tassie last night.

 

[BomberAce7]

Re: Trading for AFL players and picks

Would Peter Street be a gamble for us??? Laycock could play up forward permanently & pinch hit in the ruck if needed.

 

[The Dustbin]

Re: Trading for AFL players and picks

Would Peter Street be a gamble for us???

I was thinking the same. Has been around for along time and the Dogs did go and get Hudson last year. That say's a fair bit I reckon.

Warnock would be ideal, but not realistic for us.

 

[Knight Ryders]

Re: Trading for AFL players and picks

I think we should go hard for Kerr if that is possible. Dynamic player who's value will never be lower after a crap year. Still one of the elite if you ask me and still young enough to have several long years at Bomberland. What to give up though?

 

[Knight Ryders]

Re: Trading for AFL players and picks

Would Peter Street be a gamble for us??? Laycock could play up forward permanently & pinch hit in the ruck if needed.

Could we pick up Jeff White for next to nothing? He would provide an excellent back-up for Hille. I think he still has something to offer for a couple of years, which would give Bellchambers some time to develop.

 

[eth-dog]

Re: Trading for AFL players and picks

Go for Raines/Rischitelli/Adcock, coz we need more Quality midfielders. and possibly Street, using Laycock in the seconds to develop Bellchambers.

 

[Ben the Gooner]

Jeff White would be pointless.

I'd rather play Laycock in the ones to develop himself.

 

[timbo3195]

Troy Chaplin looks a quality player.
He could be the KPP in our defense that we need.
Trading for him would then enable us to pick up Hartlett or another GUN midfielder rather than get Hurley.
I'm not saying I don't want Hurley but I think Chaplin + Hartlett could be better for us going forward.

I'm not sure of the chances of us being able to get him, I'm only going off the above list.

Thoughts?

 

[Ben the Gooner]

How old is Chaplin?

 

[Yoda_]

How old is Chaplin?

23 in February, is a 196 cm CHB, could be a good acquisition, but I would still like to see Paddy their, we need a FB that can make it. I feel!!

As for white, we should be going after a Max Bailey, someone who is young, who has potential. not an old timer who is past their best.

 

[bomba4eva]

Very interesting but you always have to be cautious with these sort of things. Personally I hope it is true and Lovett is on the outer. Ill-disciplined and has trade value. Perhaps it is becoming tiresome that I keep putting Andrew up for trade but he is certainly vindicating my opinion. Don't forget he was banned for all pre-season games this year also.

What would we want for Lovett?

 

[HULK HOGAN]

Lovett to Freo??????

Hutchy reported in todays paper that Freo may be interested in him???

 

[DonMania#5]

Re: Lovett to Freo??????

Stopped reading at Hutchy...

 

[Big Blow Hard]

Minimum, First round pick. I hope to god he is not packed off though. He has some personal issues going on, but we need to stick by him. Aside from this year, he has not had too many ill disipline issues. You don't just desert someone who is having personal problems.

 

[Colin D'Cops]

Re: Lovett to Freo??????

Hutchy reports heaps of stuff, some of which are garbage.
But I would think Freo would be after him though, they need speed in the midfield and he comes from Essendon, what more could they possibly want..?

 

[kelvin_sheedy]

Re: Lovett to Freo??????

Hutchy is just putting 2 and 2 together.

Lovett suspended, Essendon connection down at Freo, needs to fill in a few holes on his page and voila, rumour created.

 

[bomba4eva]

Minimum, First round pick. I hope to god he is not packed off though. He has some personal issues going on, but we need to stick by him. Aside from this year, he has not had too many ill disipline issues. You don't just desert someone who is having personal problems.

Hawthorn may be willing to pay over the top as Lovett's pace would be vital for them.
Lovett has had plenty of chances in his career. We have stuck by him yet he continues to do stupid things.

 

[Colin D'Cops]

Minimum, First round pick. I hope to god he is not packed off though. He has some personal issues going on, but we need to stick by him. Aside from this year, he has not had too many ill disipline issues. You don't just desert someone who is having personal problems.

Late first round, early second round draft pick I'd be after. If you ask to much at the start of negotiations, clubs might get scared away and the interest will start to disappear.

 

[lemon chicken]

As for white, we should be going after a Max Bailey, someone who is young, who has potential. not an old timer who is past their best.

No chance. It would be the equivilant of us trading Gumby. Highly rated by everyone at Hawthorn.

I dont mind White if we could get him for next to nothing, similar to what the saints gave up to get King. Barnes was good pick up for us at the time and White would be similar.

 

[Colin D'Cops]

I wouldn't mind picking up White for next to nothing, would do a similar job to what King is doing at the Saints and that's good enough. 2 years he comes in and rucks, and then that'll open the door for Bellchambers when White retires to really try and hold down that 2nd ruck spot. Bellchambers just needs matches under his belt, and the VFL more than provide him with that. So Bellchambers will be ready to make a big leap in the AFL when White retires, and may be able to make the 2nd ruck spot his own.

 

[High Ryder]

Hope we chase Thorp and Warnock, questionable attitudes but both supreme talents.

 

[Burzum]

Re: Line up vs Richmond.

Hopefully we could pull off a Lovett for Warnock deal.

Unlikely though.