Michael Warners article 04/12/24. How woke and hypocritical the afl has become.

[bzparkes]

It's not that hard to fact check stuff.
Would you say that claiming something like "Immigrants are eating your pets!" without a shred of evidence, is disimformation?

Of course it's disinformation.

Wasn't it posted on Truth social though?

 

[bzparkes]

Bluesky is where people who don’t want to be inundated with toxic bullshit from RWNJ’s go to talk about science, art, nature and life.

I've seen enough LWNJs post utter bullshit on Twitter, get community noted and called out for it, make their profile private and then say they're moving to Bluesky to understand that it's simply become Truth social for the left.

A shame, because the platform itself is good but it was always destined to end up this way, considering it was founded by Jack Dorsey, so it shouldn't be a surprise to anyone that conservative viewpoints aren't welcome there whatsoever and it's simply a left-wing echo chamber like Truth is for the right.

It's completely disingenuous to suggest otherwise and would be like me saying people went to Truth because they were sick of being inundated with toxic bullshit from LWNJs when discussing conservative values and activities, such as going to church, being a stay at home mum, hunting, fishing, etc.

Almost every notable account I saw that said they were opening a Bluesky account was met with a stream of replies about “that’s where the pedos go” and other such bullshit.

True, there is sadly some sentiment around this although I haven't seen any 'notable' accounts post this kind of stuff myself.

The amount of inbred mouthbreathers on twitter who spew outwardly racist and stupid shit multiplied the moment Space Karen decided that “free speech” and “like hiding” was the way forward.


Now you’ve got accounts that are anti-science grifters posting all sorts of offensive shit, racking up thousands of likes and engagement, because there’s no accountability for anyone liking outwardly racist shit anymore.

Why should people get to know who 'likes' a post? The left loves a witch-hunt, we've seen this countless times with people being doxxed, having their employer called over someone liking a post on Twitter and losing their job because of it, etc.

Of course people are going to go too far the other way when they feel they've been repressed for a long time. People on the left aren't the arbiters of what's good and what's not, as much as they like to think they are. It's simply a side that people gravitate towards because it suits their fundamental opinions about life and society. People gravitate to the right for the same reasons

 

[Grin]

Of course it's disinformation.

Wasn't it posted on Truth social though?

Thought it was X. Happy to be corrected by facts.
Try it yourself one day

 

[bzparkes]

Thought it was X.

Trump doesn't post on X.

Happy to be corrected by facts.
Try it yourself one day

I did, keep up

True. I'm currently watching a video on this which has certainly swayed my opinion somewhat, based on recent events.

If Musk's banning people for opinions and not because they're breaking the ToS, then he's just being hypocritical, based off his complaints about the previous owners.

 

[H00t]

Illegals are a major issue and you'd probably be surprised to learn that the group in most favour of deportation in the USA are Mexicans.

In fact, this is quite common across the world. People who immigrated legally are more in favour of deporting people from their own countries who arrive illegally, because they're pissed off that they had to go through all the hardships to get approved and someone else just waltzes in.

Trans people has become an issue for many by virtue of the fact that they seemingly aren't even allowed to voice any concerns they have about things such as women's sports participation, usage of bathrooms, children being transitioned, etc.

Whilst it may only affect a very small amount of people directly, the fact the issue is portrayed in every form of media these days just puts an even greater spotlight on it than it actually merits just means there'll be an even greater pushback from people who struggle to accept it. When you create ridiculous terms such as 'chest-feeders' and 'birthing parent' to people who their entire lives who went through school taught the biology of a man and a woman, then try to force them to use those terms, you're going to look like a crazy person.

You can't convince people who learnt 1+1 = 2 that 1+1 actually = 3.if you say that and agree to disagree then they'll just shrug their shoulders and move on. If you start enacting changes to ensure that everyone uses 3 as the correct answer however, people get pissed.

Also as for Joe Rogan, he was a Democrat his entire life up until he endorsed Trump in this election. I saw the snippet of him discussing it on YouTube somewhere but basically he says that he didn't leave the left, they left him. His views haven't changed over the years much but the Democrats have gone so far to the left that people now consider him 'right'.

There's many former Democrat voters in the USA who feel like this. It was very interesting to see Democrat voters and leftist news anchors go full mask off in the wake of the election results, especially in regards to the Mexicans supporting Trump. So 'anti-deportation' crew suddenly wanted them all deported and ended up blaming minorities who voted for Trump, claiming they were 'problematic'. Hilarious stuff really.

As for your last statement, that's inherently untrue, unless you're watching Fox or Sky News. There's just as many left leaning news sources out there that are as unhinged as their right wing counterparts.

Then there's the propaganda machine that is Hollywood. Look how much vitriol a movie about rescuing kids from child trafficking received due to apparently being a right wing 'dog whistle'.

When you understand Hollywood is run by people like Harvey Weinstein, the music industry by P.Diddy and billionaires/politicians were great mates with Epstein, it all makes sense why they'd hate a movie like that.

It’s already illegal to be an unauthorised immigrant in the US. If they are discovered they are deported. The only people making it an issue is right-wingers when they make up stories about how the “illegals” are getting all this government assistance.

Same with the Trans issues. They are the ones causing the discourse and trying to make it into an issue. Especially regarding which bathrooms. They’d lose their minds if a trans-men used the women’s bathroom like they “apparently” want.

Pretty much all over the “issues” are the right creating or amplifying something and turning it into a thing they have to fight. Like critical race theory. Something taught in college for 40 years yet suddenly it’s “taught” in every school and must be stopped to protect the children.

As for Rogan he might claim it’s the democrats moving “too far to the left” (by being a centre-right party) but he’s always been a libertarian in what he’s stood for just become more standard right winger as times gone on.

As for news. Yeah it’s pretty much entirely right wing. In Aus you’ve got 7, 9 or 10 news, ACA, all Murdoch newspapers, sky news. Least we have the ABC sitting in the centre (for now).

In the US it’s either right wing (supporting republicans) or right wing with rainbows (supporting liberals). It’s still news all in favour of unregulated capitalism and taking money from the poor to give to the rich.

I’m not sure you quite understood the complaints against the Sound of Freedom. It was more in the portrayal of sex traffickers being unrealistic and not what typically goes on. Most people don’t care for the movie one way or the other though.

Right wingers have twisted that to mean people like sex trafficking if they don’t go watch and like this movie however no one thinks sex trafficking is good. Some will just go insane lengths to pretend it doesn’t happen with people they support and the church while trying to label an innocent groups (drag queens and LGBT) as pedos for just existing.

 

[Borisdog]

Could we POSSIBLY get any further from the OP?

 

[bzparkes]

It’s already illegal to be an unauthorised immigrant in the US. If they are discovered they are deported. The only people making it an issue is right-wingers when they make up stories about how the “illegals” are getting all this government assistance.

It becomes an issue when scores of people are crossing the border unimpeded and being bussed to small towns/neighbourhoods for processing, instead of having the issue addressed at the border itself.

Certainly I will acknowledge there's plenty of misinformation about what illegal immigrants receive, for sure, however when you have Democratic state governors saying they'll fight Trump's plan to deport illegal immigrants, it only exacerbates the issue.

If you enter illegally, you should be deported, plain and simple. ICE currently doesn't have the resources or backing to do this and it's become a lucrative industry, both for the cartels that enable it and the big corporations in the USA that take advantage of these illegals to boost corporate profits.

In the end, the illegals are simply a pawn for politicians, corporations and cartels and ultimately are the ones who lose in every scenario, because they have no rights to begin with.

Same with the Trans issues. They are the ones causing the discourse and trying to make it into an issue. Especially regarding which bathrooms. They’d lose their minds if a trans-men used the women’s bathroom like they “apparently” want.

They probably wouldn't actually, because they don't see transwomen as women.

Pretty much all over the “issues” are the right creating or amplifying something and turning it into a thing they have to fight. Like critical race theory. Something taught in college for 40 years yet suddenly it’s “taught” in every school and must be stopped to protect the children.

Things were actually finally moving towards a better place around 15 years ago before the current iteration of identity politics ruined everything in the past decade.

So it's likely not CRT that's the issue but rather the way it's being taught.

As for Rogan he might claim it’s the democrats moving “too far to the left” (by being a centre-right party) but he’s always been a libertarian in what he’s stood for just become more standard right winger as times gone on.

I don't really think his opinions have changed much and there's plenty of former Democrats coming out and saying similar things. 3 of them just joined Trump's administration, for instance.

If you want a prime example of what the Democratic party used to be, look no further than Bernie Sanders. A man who's always fought for the common people and has been unwavering in his conviction.

People like him have been mostly replaced by race-baiters and grifters, whose primary interest seems to be political activism and not the betterment of the everyday American.

As for news. Yeah it’s pretty much entirely right wing. In Aus you’ve got 7, 9 or 10 news, ACA, all Murdoch newspapers, sky news. Least we have the ABC sitting in the centre (for now).

I don't watch FTA, so I can't comment on their particular nightly news shows but if you're talking about current affairs/panel shows, then they always have a political bias, because they're opinion shows targeted towards a certain audience.

For instance, The Project.

I wouldn't personally classify ACA as a 'News' show either, it's just tabloid TV.

In the US it’s either right wing (supporting republicans) or right wing with rainbows (supporting liberals). It’s still news all in favour of unregulated capitalism and taking money from the poor to give to the rich.

Not really sure what this means exactly. Right wing with rainbows? Can't bring yourself to admit the left wing is also complicit in the things you consider 'bad'?

Corporations will just go where they think the money is. Look at how 'progressive' Disney is yet in the past they've proven they'll side with Nazi propaganda if they smell money.

Pretty much every corporation will do the same, because they only serve their self-interest, depending on which way the pendulum swings.

I’m not sure you quite understood the complaints against the Sound of Freedom. It was more in the portrayal of sex traffickers being unrealistic and not what typically goes on. Most people don’t care for the movie one way or the other though.

It was paraded as a QAnon dog-whistle by left wing media. It may not be an exact and credible account of how sex trafficking works but it served its purpose to raise awareness of a very real issue.

At the end of the day, it's a movie, not a documentary.

Right wingers have twisted that to mean people like sex trafficking if they don’t go watch and like this movie however no one thinks sex trafficking is good. Some will just go insane lengths to pretend it doesn’t happen with people they support and the church while trying to label an innocent groups (drag queens and LGBT) as pedos for just existing.

Most people don't really care about the latter-mentioned 'existing'(of course you'll get crazies who do, it happens on both sides of the political isle though) but there's also a number of conservative, critical voices amongst the LGBTQ+ community to show that even amongst their own group, there are people who align themselves with more conservative values.

 

[South of the Yarra]

Thanks, yes, I’d just celebrate on the 26th, like most other people would

Hey, today is Federation Day, should we have Australia Month?

I don’t celebrate the 26th, I reflect, have empathy and at times mourn

 

[Drought Break]

Looks like Hoot is auditioning to be a big footy mod. Ticks all the boxes

 

[.Shotties.]

Also as for Joe Rogan, he was a Democrat his entire life up until he endorsed Trump in this election. I saw the snippet of him discussing it on YouTube somewhere but basically he says that he didn't leave the left, they left him. His views haven't changed over the years much but the Democrats have gone so far to the left that people now consider him 'right'.

Sorry, but if you genuinely believe the U.S Democrats are actually left wing, or have gone "So far left", then you lack the understanding to have this conversation.

 

[bzparkes]

Sorry, but if you genuinely believe the U.S Democrats are actually left wing, or have gone "So far left", then you lack the understanding to have this conversation.

I don't think you know what you're talking about either, tbh.

 

[H00t]

It becomes an issue when scores of people are crossing the border unimpeded and being bussed to small towns/neighbourhoods for processing, instead of having the issue addressed at the border itself.

Certainly I will acknowledge there's plenty of misinformation about what illegal immigrants receive, for sure, however when you have Democratic state governors saying they'll fight Trump's plan to deport illegal immigrants, it only exacerbates the issue.

If you enter illegally, you should be deported, plain and simple. ICE currently doesn't have the resources or backing to do this and it's become a lucrative industry, both for the cartels that enable it and the big corporations in the USA that take advantage of these illegals to boost corporate profits.

In the end, the illegals are simply a pawn for politicians, corporations and cartels and ultimately are the ones who lose in every scenario, because they have no rights to begin with.

It’s pretty standard procedure around the world to take people for processing when they cross the border. Then work on sending them back. It’s no secret that “illegals” are attacked as an easy scapegoat.

They probably wouldn't actually, because they don't see transwomen as women.

Trans-men are always forgotten. You don’t believe someone who looks like a man walking into a woman’s bathroom would cause right wingers to lose their minds?

Things were actually finally moving towards a better place around 15 years ago before the current iteration of identity politics ruined everything in the past decade.

So it's likely not CRT that's the issue but rather the way it's being taught.

Things were better but still a long way from where they should be. It’s always “enough” for a number of people and it’s always the current push for equality that’s the issue.

CRT is only taught in colleges. Right wingers are the ones making up its in schools.

I don't really think his opinions have changed much and there's plenty of former Democrats coming out and saying similar things. 3 of them just joined Trump's administration, for instance.

If you want a prime example of what the Democratic party used to be, look no further than Bernie Sanders. A man who's always fought for the common people and has been unwavering in his conviction.

People like him have been mostly replaced by race-baiters and grifters, whose primary interest seems to be political activism and not the betterment of the everyday American.

Hahaha. Bernie only joined the Democratic Party out of necessity. His views are much further to the left of the Democratic Party. They’ve actively worked against him. If all politicians where like him the world would be a much better place alas he’s an exception not the rule.

Not really sure what this means exactly. Right wing with rainbows? Can't bring yourself to admit the left wing is also complicit in the things you consider 'bad'?

Corporations will just go where they think the money is. Look at how 'progressive' Disney is yet in the past they've proven they'll side with Nazi propaganda if they smell money.

Pretty much every corporation will do the same, because they only serve their self-interest, depending on which way the pendulum swings.

The left isn’t perfect. The Liberal party and the media supporting it aren’t left wing. They are much more supportive of LGBT issues than the Repubs but they are still a right wing party in the pocket of big business and funnelling money from the poor to the rich.

Actual left wingers are well aware of how corporations are in it for themselves. That’s why they want to move away from or limit capitalism in our society.

Most people don't really care about the latter-mentioned 'existing'(of course you'll get crazies who do, it happens on both sides of the political isle though) but there's also a number of conservative, critical voices amongst the LGBTQ+ community to show that even amongst their own group, there are people who align themselves with more conservative values.

Going to both sides the attacks LGBT people have faced?

Also of course there will be conservative LGBT people, they are all individuals who will all have their own thoughts and feelings. Just like straight people.

 

[.Shotties.]

I don't think you know what you're talking about either, tbh.

You clearly don't have an understanding of the Overton window and refer to the U.S Democrats as having gone "far left". That's a crushing lack of understanding.

Sorry, but in what world are the Democrats anything approaching a far left entity?

 

[bzparkes]

It’s pretty standard procedure around the world to take people for processing when they cross the border. Then work on sending them back. It’s no secret that “illegals” are attacked as an easy scapegoat.

it may be an easy scapegoat but these people are walking the streets of the USA, not held in a camp for processing to determine what level of risk they pose to the general population, especially when a great deal of them are convicted criminals in their own countries.

Trans-men are always forgotten. You don’t believe someone who looks like a man walking into a woman’s bathroom would cause right wingers to lose their minds?

Trans-men don't have notable cases of assaulting women in bathrooms like there have been of transwomen. And when I say this, I don't mean actual transwomen, I mean weirdos who choose to 'identify' for the sake and purposes of nefarious actions.

I don't believe genuine transwomen are a threat to girls/women in the way right wing media portrays them to be, no.

Things were better but still a long way from where they should be. It’s always “enough” for a number of people and it’s always the current push for equality that’s the issue.

The pendulum as swung to far the 'other' way though, to the point people are actively being discriminated against in the workforce for their race and gender(white/Asian males, for instance).

Interestingly enough, most big companies are now ditching their policies with the Trump presidency looming, because they know such practices are illegal and don't want to be prosecuted for it. Ditto universities with their admissions.

You can't preach equality, then discriminate against groups you don't like under the guise of the reverse happening decades ago.

That makes you a hypocrite.

CRT is only taught in colleges. Right wingers are the ones making up its in schools.

Ok, well then I'm uninformed on this exact topic, so won't offer an opinion on it.

Hahaha. Bernie only joined the Democratic Party out of necessity. His views are much further to the left of the Democratic Party. They’ve actively worked against him. If all politicians where like him the world would be a much better place alas he’s an exception not the rule.

Of course Bernie's got the short end of the stick. When you have establishment Republicans and Democrats running the country since the early 90s, of course they'll pull out all stops to prevent someone like Bernie running.

He'd have won in a landslide against Trump in '16 but they knifed him for Hillary.

Ironically, many of his views, especially in regards to working class Americans, aren't that dissimilar from Trump's.

In fact, it's the platform Democrats used to run on.

The left isn’t perfect. The Liberal party and the media supporting it aren’t left wing. They are much more supportive of LGBT issues than the Repubs but they are still a right wing party in the pocket of big business and funnelling money from the poor to the rich.

Every political party will be beholden to big corporations whilst they're allowed to accept bribes under the pretense of 'lobbying'.

Their political base is the left however and in the past decade, have leaned heavily into it.

Actual left wingers are well aware of how corporations are in it for themselves. That’s why they want to move away from or limit capitalism in our society.

The right are also inherently distrustful of corporations, as well as government. Sounds like they have something in common here.

Going to both sides the attacks LGBT people have faced?

I dunno but times appear to have changed and the conservative right seems more willing than in the past to accept LGBTQT+ people provided they stay in their 'lane', which is how they seem to outwardly feel about any other group.

 

[bzparkes]

You clearly don't have an understanding of the Overton window and refer to the U.S Democrats as having gone "far left". That's a crushing lack of understanding.

Sorry, but in what world are the Democrats anything approaching a far left entity?

Because of their public stance on wealth distribution, identity politics, immigration and such all lean into appeasing the left/far-left voting demographic.

Now I won't argue that the party hierarchy itself is far-left, because like all politicians they simply gravitate to where the money and power is, however they are certainly advocating for ideas outside of your beloved Overton Window to be included(policies for transitioning minors in certain states, for example) 'inside' the window, where such issues would certainly be considered 'far-left', even now.

It'll be interesting to see if they double-down, or moderate those views in light of Trump's victory.

 

[.Shotties.]

Because of their public stance on wealth distribution, identity politics, immigration and such all lean into appeasing the left/far-left voting demographic.

Which policies out of the Democractic Party affirm this in your mind? Or even public statements.

Now I won't argue that the party hierarchy itself is far-left,

Or even a lot of the base. One of the reasons Trump won is because a lot of the voting base didn't vote this time because of the Democratic party's attempt to appeal to the right, including bringing in former Repblican war hawks to introduce them.

because like all politicians they simply gravitate to where the money and power is, however they are certainly advocating for ideas outside of your beloved Overton Window to be included(policies for transitioning minors in certain states, for example) 'inside' the window, where such issues would certainly be considered 'far-left', even now.

Policies please. In any case, of course those view would be considered far left. Post 2016 and the normalising of the alt-right's views, the window has shifted drastically to the right.

 

[SBD Gonzalez]

Could we POSSIBLY get any further from the OP?

It’s getting like the legal case in Dickens’s “Bleak House”. No-one can remember what it was originally about.

 

[SBD Gonzalez]

I don’t celebrate the 26th, I reflect, have empathy and at times mourn

Same here. I just stay right out of it.

 

[SBD Gonzalez]

I don't think you know what you're talking about either, tbh.

The Democrats are a party of the establishment, the military-industrial complex and big business just like the Republicans. Painting them as in any way “left” is grasping.

 

[SBD Gonzalez]

Because of their public stance on wealth distribution, identity politics, immigration and such all lean into appeasing the left/far-left voting demographic.

Now I won't argue that the party hierarchy itself is far-left, because like all politicians they simply gravitate to where the money and power is, however they are certainly advocating for ideas outside of your beloved Overton Window to be included(policies for transitioning minors in certain states, for example) 'inside' the window, where such issues would certainly be considered 'far-left', even now.

It'll be interesting to see if they double-down, or moderate those views in light of Trump's victory.

Weighed against all that is the fact that over the course of the presidential campaign, Harris barely mentioned any of the so-called woke issues that Trump and the Republicans never shut up about.

It’s complex.

 

[Demons09]

You clearly don't have an understanding of the Overton window and refer to the U.S Democrats as having gone "far left". That's a crushing lack of understanding.

Sorry, but in what world are the Democrats anything approaching a far left entity?

Who do you reckon the far left/ liberals vote for in the US, Trump?

 

[bzparkes]

Weighed against all that is the fact that over the course of the presidential campaign, Harris barely mentioned any of the so-called woke issues that Trump and the Republicans never shut up about.

It’s complex.

That's true.

To her own credit, Harris never leaned in on the woman/PoC angle herself but every news anchor and political commentator who was pro-democrat did.

Publicly, Trump's team did talk about that, sure. However their main campaign was founded on issues such as returning outsourced jobs to the USA, 'family' values, cutting government bloat, deporting illegal immigrants/securing the border and improving the lives of the every day American, so when you essentially have one side seemingly campaigning on a platform of 'Don't vote for that guy, he's a Nazi!" and the other side campaigns on a platform of "We'll improve your everyday life", you can see why people swung towards the Republicans, because the attacks from the Democrats lost their meaning in the end.

It was interesting to see some interviews with Democrat voters who attended Trump rallies out of interest and they said it was very different to what they expected, as well as a former Democrat campaign manager who was incredibly disillusioned after attending a Democrat rally.

No matter what side of politics you favour, it's important to note that the Trump team were able to identify the biggest group of disenfranchised voters and targeted them accordingly.

Now whether or not they actually are able to implement the changes they promised, as well as whether those changes will actually be a positive for the USA, is another topic altogether.

 

[bzparkes]

The Democrats are a party of the establishment, the military-industrial complex and big business just like the Republicans. Painting them as in any way “left” is grasping.

Oh I don't disagree that they're establishment, of course they are.

I paint old school Republicans in the same light, which is why both sides were fervently against Trump, as he's not part of the establishment, so they have no hold over him. Same with Bernie.

Now the Democrats certainly pander to the left voters however. That fact is undeniable.

 

[.Shotties.]

That's true.

To her own credit, Harris never leaned in on the woman/PoC angle herself but every news anchor and political commentator who was pro-democrat did.

So you're swinging from the party itself being far left to vague references to "every pro-democrat commentator" now?

Who do you reckon the far left/ liberals vote for in the US, Trump?

You are aware there is no mandatory voting in the U.S yeah?

 

[bzparkes]

So you're swinging from the party itself being far left to vague references to "every pro-democrat commentator" now?

No, you're misunderstanding the statement.