Michael Warners article 04/12/24. How woke and hypocritical the afl has become.

[Kram]

Okey mate. Keep railing against whatever outrage bait has been fed to you today.

It's ok buddy, you just have no idea what you are talking about.

 

[Kram]

Far less abuse in the WA leagues towards Aboriginals than around the rest of the country. This was especially the case around Perth, not so much in remote leagues.

I think the reason for it is pretty simple, here there is a fair % of the population that are Indigenous and an even higher % that play footy so we all just had to play in and support the same sides. Therefore despite racism being a big problem broadly in society here in WA, footy was something that tended to be at least one thing that really brought everyone together.

 

[.Shotties.]

It's ok buddy, you just have no idea what you are talking about.

There are still repeated issues with racism in WA football now. Have things gone backwards or are you just desperately clinging to confirmation bias?

 

[Bunk Moreland]

Wow, I’m almost embarrassed on behalf of my club - how did we get to this?

Essendon did it too

It’s just plain weird. Nobody gives a flying **** if you say Merry Christmas, incl people who don’t celebrate it.

 

[Beerfish]

And yet people in incredibly powerful positions can’t define what a women is…

So... what word do you use for a supreme court judge who cannot define what a women is?

How about a women is a human that is of the nature to get pregnant?

A women is more than one woman.

 

[South of the Yarra]

I recently chatted with a Swans fan who claimed that homophobia was not an issue in football. It didn't exist anymore as they had not witnessed it at hundreds of games they had attended.

Anyway, there are still issues of racism in the WA Leagues now, like the South Bunbury incident, Maxwell Jetta, and stuff like this. Were the 80s/90s some kind of utopian age WA has slid backwards from?

Didn’t say there were not incidents and did not say there was not racism against Aboriginals but there was far less of it in WA compared to the rest of the country.

 

[Kram]

There are still repeated issues with racism in WA football now. Have things gone backwards or are you just despite desperately clinging to confirmation bias?

It's a state with 2 million people in it, there will course of be isolated incidents. Even the article posted said it's rare.

I've played in and attended 100s of games over here both in the country and Perth and it was never a problem at all. And I just explained the reason I think why. Probably some luck involved in that as well, but it's generally not been a part of the WA footy culture historically unlike other states. You are wrong and your opinion is from a position of ignorance to the game over here.

 

[.Shotties.]

It's a state with 2 million people in it, there will course of be isolated incidents. Even the article posted said it's rare.

No, the article actually had these quotes:
"Last year we copped a lot of racism,” Yarran said. “It’s common. I tell them it’s going to happen and to use it to your advantage.

“Some of he spectators at Goomalling and Gingin, they called our boys monkeys, said, ‘Go back to the bush’, ‘Go back to the Dreamtime’ All this sort of stuff.

“One of our boys was racially abused by another player who ended up getting a one-week suspension. But the Mortlock League called it verbal abuse and swept it under the carpet pretty quick.

“The league doesn’t support us by saying racial discrimination will not be tolerated.

“Most of he other coaches never shake my hand before or after a game. Because you’re Aboriginal and because they don’t like the team.”

Despite talk from the AFL of stamping out racial abuse, Yarran said he believed it would never disappear from the game.

“You’ve got to accept it. I tell the boys, ‘Be ready, be prepared for it, play footy and forget about what they say’,” he said.

“It’s bigger than the AFL, it’s coming from the grassroots and it’s been happening for years and years.

“All these AFL guys say we’re going to stamp it out but it’s embedded in the grassroots. It’s in people. If you keep dwelling on it, it can make your really depressed. “I copped it when I was playing footy myself in WA and in Queensland in the 1990s, when you were called a ‘black c...’ and that sort of thing. It happened on a regular basis, it was like second nature,”

So yeah, on the one hand we have the lived experience of indigenous players (there are a few more in the article discussing their issues) and on the other hand, we have a dude who claims that because he never saw it, it was a much smaller issue than in other states.


Tough call.

 

[.Shotties.]

Didn’t say there were not incidents and did not say there was not racism against Aboriginals but there was far less of it in WA compared to the rest of the country.

Again, that doesn't seem to be the case today according to indigenous players now. Has the game in WA gone backwards or are you overvaluing your experiences?

 

[South of the Yarra]

Again, that doesn't seem to be the case today according to indigenous players now. Has the game in WA gone backwards or are you overvaluing your experiences?

Actually according to many Aboriginal players this is the case today. What exactly are my experiences? You have no idea.

 

[South of the Yarra]

No, the article actually had these quotes:
"Last year we copped a lot of racism,” Yarran said. “It’s common. I tell them it’s going to happen and to use it to your advantage.

“Some of he spectators at Goomalling and Gingin, they called our boys monkeys, said, ‘Go back to the bush’, ‘Go back to the Dreamtime’ All this sort of stuff.

“One of our boys was racially abused by another player who ended up getting a one-week suspension. But the Mortlock League called it verbal abuse and swept it under the carpet pretty quick.

“The league doesn’t support us by saying racial discrimination will not be tolerated.

“Most of he other coaches never shake my hand before or after a game. Because you’re Aboriginal and because they don’t like the team.”

Despite talk from the AFL of stamping out racial abuse, Yarran said he believed it would never disappear from the game.

“You’ve got to accept it. I tell the boys, ‘Be ready, be prepared for it, play footy and forget about what they say’,” he said.

“It’s bigger than the AFL, it’s coming from the grassroots and it’s been happening for years and years.

“All these AFL guys say we’re going to stamp it out but it’s embedded in the grassroots. It’s in people. If you keep dwelling on it, it can make your really depressed. “I copped it when I was playing footy myself in WA and in Queensland in the 1990s, when you were called a ‘black c...’ and that sort of thing. It happened on a regular basis, it was like second nature,”

So yeah, on the one hand we have the lived experience of indigenous players (there are a few more in the article discussing their issues) and on the other hand, we have a dude who claims that because he never saw it, it was a much smaller issue than in other states.


Tough call.

And we have a dude that is basing his beliefs, with no lived experience on an article.

 

[.Shotties.]

And we have a dude that is basing his beliefs, with no lived experience on an article.

... I'm basing my beliefs on the words of people who are actually affected by this saying it's a problem, common, and has been for years.

You do get how first hand sources work don't you?

 

[.Shotties.]

Actually according to many Aboriginal players this is the case today.

Oh cool, quote them as I've done. I'd love to hear the counter balance for players being called monkeys, black C**ts or being tons to go back to the bush.

What exactly are my experiences? You have no idea.

No, I don't know yours, but I can read verbatim the experiences of indigenous players who counter your claim.

 

[South of the Yarra]

Oh cool, quote them as I've done. I'd love to hear the counter balance for players being called monkeys, black C**ts or being tons to go back to the bush.


No, I don't know yours, but I can read verbatim the experiences of indigenous players who counter your claim.

Horrific words, horrific comments. I will request racism does happen there but not as prevalent as other states.

 

[South of the Yarra]

Oh cool, quote them as I've done. I'd love to hear the counter balance for players being called monkeys, black C**ts or being tons to go back to the bush.


No, I don't know yours, but I can read verbatim the experiences of indigenous players who counter your claim.

You have been reading the quotes every time you respond to one of my posts.

 

[South of the Yarra]

... I'm basing my beliefs on the words of people who are actually affected by this saying it's a problem, common, and has been for years.

You do get how first hand sources work don't you?

Oh my. You just don’t get it.

 

[South of the Yarra]

... I'm basing my beliefs on the words of people who are actually affected by this saying it's a problem, common, and has been for years.

You do get how first hand sources work don't you?

You have been responding to a first hand source all night.

 

[.Shotties.]

You have been responding to a first hand source all night.

Yes, I gathered that, I'm asking how you saying you never experienced it counterbalances the recorded, on record accounts of multiple players stemming back to the 90s (which are continuing) or means it was less prevalent then in other states.

 

[South of the Yarra]

Yes, I gathered that, I'm asking how you saying you never experienced it counterbalances the recorded, on record accounts of multiple players stemming back to the 90s (which are continuing) or means it was less prevalent then in other states.

Never said I didn’t experience it. Said it wasn’t as bad or consistent as other places.

 

[Seadog]

All over the world, woke is losing money. If the AFL is profitable, it isn't because they are woke, but in spite of it. Bud Light lost literally billions of dollars in the USA. There was an immediate backlash to the Pubs here in Australia not celebrating Australia day (and then many of them backflipped). The public have hated this stuff for a while now, but the institutions still cling to it, like it's 2019. I'd say everyone on the political right hates it, 90% on the moderate left hate it, but are too cowardly to call it out, and only the extreme left push it mainly to signal how "tolerant" they are.

Woke used to mean alert to social injustice, but words migrate over time. It's now used by people not to push a certain cause but to signal how good a person "they" are. How virtuous "they" are. It's about the person, rather than the cause. If you are normal you care about the issue; if you are woke, you tell everybody that you care about the issue - that's the difference

It's pretty much dying, it just depends how longer the institutions hang on to it, before they "read the room". Boeing just disbanded their D.E.I department last month and are now just focusing on merit. Lots of others are doing it too.

Annheuser Busch revenue went from $54.3 billion in 2021 to $59.4 billion in 2024, so you are just making it up, which is par for the course for the anti woke warriors.

 

[bzparkes]

Annheuser Busch revenue went from $54.3 billion in 2021 to $59.4 billion in 2024, so you are just making it up, which is par for the course for the anti woke warriors.

Annheuser Busch's sales lost 10% in the 2nd quarter of 2023 in the aftermath of the Dylan Mulvaney saga, mostly due to the decline in Bud Light sales, so it indeed did cost the company a significant amount in the short term.

People forget stuff as time goes on though, hence the recovery.

In case you want to read the article: https://www.investopedia.com/budwei...ey-controversy-7569558?utm_source=chatgpt.com

Mulvaney's partnership would've been disastrous for Budweiser if they stuck with it long term. 'Woke' aside, I seriously don't know what their marketing team was thinking doing the collaboration.

A beer, primarily drunk by average, working class, 'god-fearing' Americans suddenly is promoted by a transgender person.

Talk about not understanding your target audience.

It was neither a good idea for Budweiser, not a good idea for Dylan, considering all the hate they would've copped.

 

[Grin]

I get your point. A normal pub is open on Australia day just like any other day so why is this an issue? Well, it shouldn't be an issue. But it becomes an issue because the pubs themselves, in an act of pure stupidity decided to issue a press release saying they wouldn't be celebrating Australia day. What is the point of saying this, other than to virtue signal? They could have just shut their mouths and no one would have cared what they did on Australia day. But like the woke fools they are, they opened their mouth to signal how out of touch they think the vast majority of Australians are, and all of a sudden, they created a pointless controversy.

They're probably trying to make a statement, like the current date for Australia Day is offensive to a significant proportion of Australians.
Right wingers/conservatives are very sensitive, entitled, precious and love nothing more than to whinge and complain loudly and infernally and cancel things.

 

[bzparkes]

Right wingers/conservatives are very sensitive, entitled, precious and love nothing more than to whinge and complain loudly and infernally and cancel things.

Gee, not trying to pick a side here but you've very aptly described the left in this statement.

In fact, 'cancelling' is the domain of the left, the 'right' generally advocate for free speech, whereas the 'left' are far more in favour of censorship.

Just look at the massive outcry over Twitter after Musk took it over and his supposed campaigning for free speech on that particular platform compared to before he bought it and current day sites like BlueSky and Reddit, for instance.

The amount of censorship on those left-leaning sites is significant.

 

[Grin]

Gee, not trying to pick a side here but you've very aptly described the left in this statement.

In fact, 'cancelling' is the domain of the left, the 'right' generally advocate for free speech, whereas the 'left' are far more in favour of censorship.

Just look at the massive outcry over Twitter after Musk took it over and his supposed campaigning for free speech on that particular platform compared to before he bought it and current day sites like BlueSky and Reddit, for instance.

The amount of censorship on those left-leaning sites is significant.

I think you're a little bit delusional here. I was responding to a poster claiming that pubs were cancelled for expressing an opinion. There's also the Woolworth cancel last Australia day. Most media, dominated by Murdoch is full of right winger/conservatives complaining loudly. Most of the cancel culture and attempts to shut down opinions that don't fit with their group think comes from the right.

 

[Dogs_R_Us]

They're probably trying to make a statement, like the current date for Australia Day is offensive to a significant proportion of Australians.

Not the date, the DAY. Celebrating the settlement of Australia on any day at all would be unacceptable to those who currently oppose it. So it would be pointless changing the date.