Opinion Mick Malthouse

[The Flying Doormat]

Port took a year to really get Hinkley's plan going...

Port won their 1st five games under Hinkley and went on to play finals in his first year as coach, beating Collingwood in the elimination final.

Myth Busted.

What star draftees?

Butcher? He's still no good.

All I remember was everyone saying they're draft picks have turned out to be bust.

They had no good kids coming through, a handful of aging players and their only leader in Boak was underperforming and about to walk. They were considered a terrible list.

By kids I assume you are including Hartlett, Broadbent, Moore, Trengove, Lobbe, O'Shea, Pittard, Jonas, Wingard, Young, Wines*, Colquhoun*, Hombsch*, Neade* and...Butcher.
(recruited Oct 2012)

While the list was not rated by some toffee nosed Victorian based scribes at the time, this has proven to be wrong.

http://www.news.com.au/sport/afl/no...o-afl-prospectus/story-fnelctok-1226567303294

Boak rejected overtures from a high profile Geelong hitsquad that flew to Adelaide in a failed bid to convince hm to return to Victoria. In 2010 he finished 10th in the Brownlow. In 2011 he was joint winner of Port's B & F. In 2012 he had an ongoing foot injury that eventually required surgery which saw him miss 4 weeks. Even with this injury, Boak averaged 23.6 disposals, 3.7 tackles and 5.4 inside 50’s per game which was 4th best in the league in 2012.

Myths Busted.

 

[DaVillaBlues]

It should be pointed out there was always going to be teething problems with so much personal changes in the off season (out Robinson, Jeffy, McLean, Waite) players teammates had become accustomed to playing with for several years.

If and its a bit if, Liam Jones can get his act together and contribute meaningfully each, Kruezer can make a successful return, if Jaksch can stand up and be more composed under pressure, well those 3 factors alone would make us a better, more competitive team.

That's partly why I am hesitant to blame everything on Mick, there are some individual player issues at the club that are beyond MM's control.

Think Jones (for one) probably needs to engage his teammates better and try find positions on the ground more suited to him.

The chemistry between the oldies and kids on the field does concern me, I don't feel the so called 'leaders' at our club do enough to protect/stick up for their young teammates.

Yes the game plan if not outdated, is rigid and negating and probably not suited to our group of players, but there are deeper underlying issues with some players right now that concerns me more than Mick's coaching

 

[BM123]

Port won their 1st five games under Hinkley and went on to play finals in his first year as coach, beating Collingwood in the elimination final.

Myth Busted.



By kids I assume you are including Hartlett, Broadbent, Moore, Trengove, Lobbe, O'Shea, Pittard, Jonas, Wingard, Young, Wines*, Colquhoun*, Hombsch*, Neade* and...Butcher.
(recruited Oct 2012)

While the list was not rated by some toffee nosed Victorian based scribes at the time, this has proven to be wrong.

http://www.news.com.au/sport/afl/no...o-afl-prospectus/story-fnelctok-1226567303294

Boak rejected overtures from a high profile Geelong hitsquad that flew to Adelaide in a failed bid to convince hm to return to Victoria. In 2010 he finished 10th in the Brownlow. In 2011 he was joint winner of Port's B & F. In 2012 he had an ongoing foot injury that eventually required surgery which saw him miss 4 weeks. Even with this injury, Boak averaged 23.6 disposals, 3.7 tackles and 5.4 inside 50’s per game which was 4th best in the league in 2012.

Myths Busted.

They weren't exactly heavy weights in 2013.

They went 5-5 to start the season and if Carlton had beaten Essendon like we should (horrid goal kicking) then Port would have finished 9th if it wasn't for the Bombers suspension.

You're not really good at this myth busting business Bruce

In 2012 Freo really got going towards the end of season. They went on to beat warm favourites Geelong at the G. They played some of the ugliest footy you will ever see before they really clicked.

Similiar story with Port who beat Collingwood at the G which was considered to be another huge upset. They were flat track bullies during 2013 for the most part.

Carlton on the other hand

 

[The Flying Doormat]

They weren't exactly heavy weights in 2013.

They went 5-5 to start the season and if Carlton had beaten Essendon like we should (horrid goal kicking) then Port would have finished 9th if it wasn't for the Bombers suspension.

You're not really good at this myth busting business Bruce

In 2012 Freo really got going towards the end of season. They went on to beat warm favourites Geelong at the G. They played some of the ugliest footy you will ever see before they really clicked.

Similiar story with Port who beat Collingwood at the G which was considered to be another huge upset. They were flat track bullies during 2013 for the most part.

Carlton on the other hand

Beg to differ BM. 5-0 indicates Port got off to a cracking start and basically played the Hinkley style from day one.
History will show they played finals, winning the elimination game against the Pies. They improved on this and the 'game plan' in 2014 but their 'take the game on' approach was instilled and executed as soon as Hinkley arrived. That they lost games 6-10 in 2013 reflected some shortcomings in skills that this game plan required. Once addressed they were off again. This has been the problem with Port's game plan. It's at breakneck speed but when the skills aren't at the required level and players don't put in the hard yards defending turnovers or loose balls, then it's curtains. Happened again last week.

 

[passmark]

Are you trying to tell me that winning games early in the season is a good thing?

You are clearly delusional.

We have a triple premiership coach who knows better.

 

[BM123]

Beg to differ BM. 5-0 indicates Port got off to a cracking start and basically played the Hinkley style from day one.
History will show they played finals, winning the elimination game against the Pies. They improved on this and the 'game plan' in 2014 but their 'take the game on' approach was instilled and executed as soon as Hinkley arrived. That they lost games 6-10 in 2013 reflected some shortcomings in skills that this game plan required. Once addressed they were off again. This has been the problem with Port's game plan. It's at breakneck speed but when the skills aren't at the required level and players don't put in the hard yards defending turnovers or loose balls, then it's curtains. Happened again last week.

5-0 against poor opposition means little if you lose the next five which they did in horrible fashion. They brought over Polec and White in the 2013 off-season for a reason.

It wasn't a smooth transition in 2013 and they struggled against some seriously poor teams when finals were on the line. Brisbane, St Kilda and Adelaide who weren't great teams by any stretch of the imagination but they made Port work extremely hard to win. Due to their lack of runners in 2013 it only took a Curnow tag on Ebert to shut down their run completely in our come back win against Port. It wasn't until they brought over Polec and White that Hinkley's intended gamestyle was really brought to life.

I'd say the fact that WC's midfield broke even with Port killed them. Port's forward line isn't nearly good enough to challenge WC's quality back line at full strength (and it was far from that) if their midfield isn't dominating.

You know it's actually quite interesting how MM, Lyon and Hinkley all went out of their way to bring in outside runners to complement their teams strong inside brigade asap. I feel like MM compromised himself by bringing in a wounded Thomas though.

In 2013 our inside game was quite good but we lacked class and outside run which was and still is our greatest unsolved problem by far.

Carlton 2013 - Thomas, Everitt and Docherty
Port 2013 - Polec and White
Freo - Danyle Pearce to complement Stephen Hill

 

[chunkylover53]

Port won their 1st five games under Hinkley and went on to play finals in his first year as coach, beating Collingwood in the elimination final.

Myth Busted.



By kids I assume you are including Hartlett, Broadbent, Moore, Trengove, Lobbe, O'Shea, Pittard, Jonas, Wingard, Young, Wines*, Colquhoun*, Hombsch*, Neade* and...Butcher.
(recruited Oct 2012)

While the list was not rated by some toffee nosed Victorian based scribes at the time, this has proven to be wrong.

http://www.news.com.au/sport/afl/no...o-afl-prospectus/story-fnelctok-1226567303294

Boak rejected overtures from a high profile Geelong hitsquad that flew to Adelaide in a failed bid to convince hm to return to Victoria. In 2010 he finished 10th in the Brownlow. In 2011 he was joint winner of Port's B & F. In 2012 he had an ongoing foot injury that eventually required surgery which saw him miss 4 weeks. Even with this injury, Boak averaged 23.6 disposals, 3.7 tackles and 5.4 inside 50’s per game which was 4th best in the league in 2012.

Myths Busted.

That article proves my point. 'Statistics show Port have the 2nd worst list in the competition'.

Did you honestly rate Ports kids and think all they needed was a new coach? I don't remember anyone thinking that was the case.

Yes all their kids were there, but no one rated them because they had a coach who couldn't get anything out of them.

 

[Cipher]

I'd be waiting until Port achieves something before lamenting that we're not following their model.

The road to a premiership isn't always linear.

 

[PumpyChowdown]

Christ I'll spew if we appoint another recycled coach, along with all his baggage.

Our club is crying out for a new, young, fresh face to hit the "return to factory default" settings and clear the cancerous air that has slowly enveloped the club over the last 20 years, and is now killing it.

Bringing in Pagan sent us backwards. Rattan was a "mates" appointment, and for all the rose-coloured glasses revisionism, he was never going to win a flag with his front running game style.

Enter MM. Sending us backwards. Stuck in his ways. Heart still with Collingwood I feel.

Now we're ****ing discussing Woosha and ****ing Voss?!?!?!?!

Get ****ed.

 

[DaVillaBlues]

That article proves my point. 'Statistics show Port have the 2nd worst list in the competition'.

Did you honestly rate Ports kids and think all they needed was a new coach? I don't remember anyone thinking that was the case.

Yes all their kids were there, but no one rated them because they had a coach who couldn't get anything out of them.

With all due respect, you are kidding yourself if you think we have the calibre of kids that Port had when Primus was sacked.

Nick Graham and Holman are no Robbie Gray or Chad Wingard, that's for sure ..

You're going to bitterly disappointed with the new coach I suspect, you can't make strawberry jam out of manure, which is basically where our list is at right now.

And Loguidace and Trigg, they acknowledge our list sucks from years of poor recruiting and development, that's why Gibbs and other players will be sold on the meat market, get more high draft picks in and work from there.

You can't fix our problems overnight simply by replacing Mick, it will take a sustained and concerted 3-4 year period of good drafting and youth development.

I am not expecting finals before 2018, put it that way (no matter who is the coach)

 

[pepalenko]

Warning old front rower and rugby coach rant coming:

Murphy sometimes takes backwards steps and too often over acts to draw a free...Gibbs is an expert at half steps and corralling with arms out wide - preferring to make some kind of tackle after the opponent gets the ball - Judd never hardly ever uses his explosive off the mark speed to chase and tackle,Jamison doesn't smash Goddard when Goddard is throwing punches a Buckley on the ground..Henderson talks but doesn't hurt...Rowe has lost his mongrel...Curnow is a super 'clean' tagger..Carrazzo hasn't hurt anyone in a tackle in years...

the leaders at the Club can't or won't impose themselves physically or look after each other under provocation...there is no esprit de corps, none nada zip...
each player is playing for himself and the younger guns soon learn that that (for some reason) is the way things are..

Menzel was ferocious at the ball and at the man when he started for us, Buckley still has it, Tuohey has lost it- he has really become quite soft...

the standout equaliser type at Carlton today is without a doubt White - he has true leadership qualities as does Cripps - Cripps - Cripps wants to play against the best and beat them ...Bell has quietened down...Everitt for al his martial arts is no enforcer...Thomas fell over for Pendelbury in his first game against Collingwood...very funny 'Daisy' - and what message did that send out - the game is a joke...Walker has g it - I love Waker, Waite had it..and Yarran is developing it..in a different team he will o doubt go at blokes a lot harder and smarter..Warnock is the softest Ruckman I've ever seen play for anyone ..Kreuzer knows how to hurt blokes - ask Jolly.

People namby pamby around what leadership as far as contact sports goes is...firstly it is about being able to match it physically with anyone from the opposition side - and beat them whilst also helping your team mate..

Murphy and Gibbs can be fine players and Judd was a champion - but Carlton hasn't had a Captain ad certainly hasn't a true 'leadership' group for far too long - the whole Cub culture slowly decays when deprived of this prerequisite. Most opposition teams think that Carlton is soft for a reason.

That is what is wrong with culture and why it is a long haul from here..and maybe the unspoken stuff that malthouse looks for and can't find enough of..

I'm not surprised one iota that players like White developed under Malthouse or that Armfield's efforts are not highly respected by Malthouse - same as Ellard same as the young Clem Smith - Malthouse loves the hard at it players - and when he doesn't see it - he turns away. Malthouse can't afford the luxury of telling Gibbs ( for example) to go in hard and hurt a few blokes - or else...so he probably over compensates with younger player discipline..

maybe all Nick Graham has to do is show some mongrel along with everything else- Cripps has already earned respect from opposition...next to him -Clem Smith without a doubt has what a good side is looking for..

Malthouse just hasn't been able to tease the mongrel out of the more senior Carlton players...and that is his failure.

For mine - senior players are guilty of letting the club down or perhaps just lacking leadership pre-requisites, AND Malthouse is to blame for not finding a way to develop at the very least some true sprit de corps rea team morale - after three years. What I can't forgive malthouse for - is not getting our leaders up to the next level..and that is why we are where we are..

I'll never forget Ratten sending out a message to Marc Murphy one minute before Murphy was collected by Dangerfield " Marc go in hard "
that was Ratten telling Murph how to lift his team mates...Forget the injury Murph copped - that was an accident - and a part of the cost of being a professional footballer.

When Hodge took out Murphy though - or went flying through a contest collecting Henderson elbow to jaw and just missing Walker...it should have been on right there and then in both cases Hodge should never have been allowed to take out our Captain - and everyone just stand around hands on hips...

Malthouse has had three years to change the culture amongst senior players - three years..he has failed so far...picking Jones up was a very big mistake and Boekhurst better star hardening up sooner rather than later..Byrne and Shehan don't need to be told - they are genuine guns.

end rant/

Cannot like this enough

 

[Azul]

If and its a bit if, Liam Jones can get his act together and contribute meaningfully each, Kruezer can make a successful return, if Jaksch can stand up and be more composed under pressure, well those 3 factors alone would make us a better, more competitive team.

That's partly why I am hesitant to blame everything on Mick, there are some individual player issues at the club that are beyond MM's control.

We've not had much luck in big men lately, that's for sure.

But I can't excuse Mick for our midfield. Clearances don't win you games when the opposition devastate you in uncontested possessions. Losing McLean and Robinson can't explain away our inability to chase, man up on the loose man and run like the wind. Fitness, or coaching, our appetite for the contest has gone down rapidly.

Nick Graham and Holman are no Robbie Gray or Chad Wingard, that's for sure ..

No one suggested they were but given the opportunity they may turn into 150 game footsoldiers. Ask yourself whether the club has adequately prepared for the retirements of Carrazzo, Judd, Simpson and Walker by blooding the kids.

We have a decent collection of youngsters but no experience. I'm not as pessimistic as you on finals. If we can get Buckley, Cripps, Dick, Graham, Holman, Menzel, Byrne, Boekhorst, Docherty, Whiley, Smith, Jaksch up to around 35 games each by August 2017 then with Henderson, Murphy, Gibbs, Yarran, Bell, Everitt, Thomas, Tuohy, White as our core senior players we should rise up the ladder.

 

[DaVillaBlues]

We've not had much luck in big men lately, that's for sure.

But I can't excuse Mick for our midfield. Clearances don't win you games when the opposition devastate you in uncontested possessions. Losing McLean and Robinson can't explain away our inability to chase, man up on the loose man and run like the wind. Fitness, or coaching, our appetite for the contest has gone down rapidly.

No one suggested they were but given the opportunity they may turn into 150 game footsoldiers. Ask yourself whether the club has adequately prepared for the retirements of Carrazzo, Judd, Simpson and Walker by blooding the kids.

We have a decent collection of youngsters but no experience. I'm not as pessimistic as you on finals. If we can get Buckley, Cripps, Dick, Graham, Holman, Menzel, Byrne, Boekhorst, Docherty, Whiley, Smith, Jaksch up to around 35 games each by August 2017 then with Henderson, Murphy, Gibbs, Yarran, Bell, Everitt, Thomas, Tuohy, White as our core senior players we should rise up the ladder.

I don't think players like Tuohy, Daisy are going to be part of our next premiership side

I am honestly getting sick of Tuohy only choosing to play well once in a blue moon these days, he is one player I am happy to see traded at season's end, 2E is the very definition of 'coach killer'

As I said many times, replace Mick at season's end but be sure to get rid of a few 'coach killers' as well, players whom I might add, let Ratts down as well.

 

[Azul]

I don't think players like Tuohy, Daisy are going to be part of our next premiership side

I am honestly getting sick of Tuohy only choosing to play well once in a blue moon these days, he is one player I am happy to see traded at season's end, 2E is the very definition of 'coach killer'

As I said many times, replace Mick at season's end but be sure to get rid of a few 'coach killers' as well, players whom I might add, let Ratts down as well.

I don't think we need to pro-actively trade away every player over 24. 5 year plans to deliver a premiership belong with Terry Wallace. Worse, we risk becoming Melbourne.

Tuohy is played out of position and would enjoy his footy more playing as a half forward flanker. Yet the coaching staff has pigeon-holed him as a defender.

 

[The Flying Doormat]

Are you trying to tell me that winning games early in the season is a good thing?

You are clearly delusional.

We have a triple premiership coach who knows better.

If you read the thread you'd understand this is not what Im saying genius.

 

[The Flying Doormat]

That article proves my point. 'Statistics show Port have the 2nd worst list in the competition'.

Did you honestly rate Ports kids and think all they needed was a new coach? I don't remember anyone thinking that was the case.

Yes all their kids were there, but no one rated them because they had a coach who couldn't get anything out of them.

I watch Port here fairly regularly. Yes I rated their kids and at the time argued Primus would be a bust...Port needed a capable coach to get them going...rest is history.

 

[Azul]

If you read the thread you'd understand this is not what Im saying genius.

*whoosh*, «smiley face»

 

[passmark]

If you read the thread you'd understand this is not what Im saying genius.

............and if you had a sense of humour your undies wouldn't be all scrunched up.

 

[pepalenko]

I don't think players like Tuohy, Daisy are going to be part of our next premiership side

I am honestly getting sick of Tuohy only choosing to play well once in a blue moon these days, he is one player I am happy to see traded at season's end, 2E is the very definition of 'coach killer'

As I said many times, replace Mick at season's end but be sure to get rid of a few 'coach killers' as well, players whom I might add, let Ratts down as well.

Not sure how/why you are singling Tuohey out. Not been the worst.

 

[The Flying Doormat]

............and if you had a sense of humour your undies wouldn't be all scrunched up.

Yep, missed that one.

 

[passmark]

Not sure how/why you are singling Tuohey out. Not been the worst.

Got to be someones fault. Not the coach of course.

Why not pick a defender who's under pressure for 80% of game time and is obviously playing to the coaches instructions.

The coach has a choice with 2E, but he like the way he plays, even said he's probably doing well in the B&F.

 

[DaVillaBlues]

Not sure how/why you are singling Tuohey out. Not been the worst.

Really ? I think he has been borderline our worst/most disappointing player this year (out of the group who have been here for more than 4/5 years.

Maybe I am too harsh on Tuohy but I honestly expect better from him, especially from such a poor 2014.

 

[pepalenko]

Guess it's easier to pick on a player that seems more expendable than say, Gibbs.
You may be right and more people might agree with you, but for someone who seems against scapegoating it appears you've done this by labelling him a 'coach killer'.

 

[Cipher]

I've long struggled to see the positives in Tuohy. I see him beaten in the content more often than not, I don't see him taking the intercept marks that a Docherty does, nor do I notice him being instrumental in setting up a lot our runs from the back half.

I don't see a lot upside in Tuohy, in the defensive 50. I see plenty in the forward half though.

 

[ShanDog]

Really ? I think he has been borderline our worst/most disappointing player this year (out of the group who have been here for more than 4/5 years.

Maybe I am too harsh on Tuohy but I honestly expect better from him, especially from such a poor 2014.

2E has been much better this year.