Opinion Mick Malthouse

[kingkingston]

Whose fault is that?

Malthouse has had 3 drafts to fix things. Mick reluctantly develops the young talent on our list with no narrative for continuity via a revolving door policy on Dick, Graham, Buckley, Watson, Jaksch, Boekhorst, Smith and Whiley. At the first sign of trouble they're out of the team - when bringing back the experienced players we still aren't within miles of the competition.

Yes we'd be more competitive if Kreuzer, Jamison and Henderson were available. But Mick and Rogers only drafted tall 2 kids in 3 goes, one of whom has been on the injury list for the most part.

wow 3 drafts, i can tell you that the real results of a draft usually takes 6 or 7 years before you can see if a draft was successful or not

 

[TW Sherrin]

He's clearly trying to force their hand. He knows he's cooked, but wants to stand by his "I don't quit" comments, so is trying to make life difficult and make his position untenable.

he conveniently forgets he quit his job at the pies.

 

[The Old Dark Navy's]

Ratten was a good offensive coach, not defensive and that was never going to get a flag. I'm amazed that the same people that wanted Ratten sacked, are probably now sticking up for him.

That's blanket speculation. You might have to show some research for that. I didn't want Ratten sacked but I do see some that did that are still holding firm.

 

[fortynine]

almost all of us believe MM was the biggest reason we lost the GF. he also treated Buckley like sh1t during the year as his assistant.

there light for guys just pull the trigger.

(ps as a pies supporter I hope you sign him to a 5 year deal )

Malthouses stubbornness can be an admirable trait if things are working well, but it becomes detrimental when things are not. He has steadfastly refused to adopt any changes to his coaching and to the style he wants to play. He has steadfastly refused to give young talent a consistent run and hides behind the same notion that it could "ruin their confidence", without realising that bringing in a player as a sub to immediately drop them or dropping a young player after one quiet game must be having the same impact. He has refused to change his arrogant and condescending attitude towards the media and has meant that scrutiny has only intensified as journalists are all too happy to turn on the guy who is rude to them week in, week out. Complaining about the impact they have on his wife (who doesn't have to read the sports section if she doesn't want to) but in the same breath treating them with disdain makes no sense to me. What does he expect?

He has refused to take on any sort of criticisms of his ethos and has instead dug in further, creating a situation in which players seem to be knowingly committing to the same mistakes over and over again on the field. You can see at times players want to move it on, only to remember that they can always just stop and kick it long and wide instead because they have no confidence. It creates a woefully predictable situation that just gets exploited over and over again. Confidence has been sapped to the point that players are clearly not even trying which explains the total lack of tackles and defensive intensity. Nobody knows who or what they are playing for right now.

I suspect that the same stubbornness is what caused the rift between MM, Buckley and Eddie. He refused to accept that the transitional plan worked because he has a sense of superiority and is not a collaborative person, it's either his way or the highway. Big reason I dislike Wiley is that he strikes me as a yes man who provides no criticisms to MM and just follows him around mindlessly and therefore enables his behaviour.

 

[PP34]

Betts signed 18 months prior to Adelaide than he became a free agent? If so then that's tampering which is worse than the Tippett saga.

We signed Thomas months before free agency

 

[Robbo's my hero]

The real crisis is the membership. Totally hopeless, disjointed, traitorous and unreasonable. Sack the membership and start again.

 

[Cripps 'n' Blue Bloods]

he conveniently forgets he quit his job at the pies.

You mean the made up role that was offered to him out of sympathy for kicking him out his still warm seat fresh off winning a flag and playing in back to backs? The one that he clearly wasn't a fan of and reluctantly agreed to?

 

[fortynine]

wow 3 drafts, i can tell you that the real results of a draft usually takes 6 or 7 years before you can see if a draft was successful or not

Western Bulldogs would kindly disagree with you. Macrae, Dahlhaus, Bontempelli, Stringer, Hunter, Hrovat, Honeychurch and even Jong have all been in the last few years.

We've buggered up possibly 8 out of the last 10 drafts anyway.

 

[Rochefort]

I really rate and like Kirk, but apparently he is too much of a 'waccy tabaccy hippie' for some around these parts.

And he works with Ross Lyon who is addicted to coaching, can't be too much of a waccy bloke!

 

[RAPPA]

Let's all just remember one thing regarding MM pre-Carlton tenure - if the ball bounced to Milne's benefit, his coaching record would just show 2 premierships with a side that could've been coached by a peanut and still achieved the same success; 12 years with 3 GF losses, and 6 years with no GF participation.

All this rhetoric about him being able to rebuild a side is meaningless. A coach is not remembered for all of his participation in finals series; they are revered for their success. Ross Lyon is a seemingly good coach, but his record suggests that he can't get his teams over the line in the one that counts.

On your way you archaic dinosaur.

 

[The Old Dark Navy's]

wow 3 drafts, i can tell you that the real results of a draft usually takes 6 or 7 years before you can see if a draft was successful or not

So basically we have a list that finishes 10th after 3 finals series, bottoms out after 3 years with a new coach, we still need another 3 or 4 years to build that side and then another 3 years to try to have success with it. 10 year cycle and given the efforts we are seeing from players today and the game plan confusion, that 10 year gamble is a leap of faith based on the fact the coach did it before at Collingwood.

Seems to me we threw the baby out with the bathwater. The game plan was designed to win flags with a list you are comfortable with. Mick failed to recognise this list's inability to adapt to or readiness to play this game plan. It should have been introduced slowly to a list in need of some rebuilding. Instead it was forced on them because Mick's charter was to win with this list.

 

[PP34]

It's Mick's ******* list.
If we don't have any depth it's Mick's ******* fault.

Haha you are taking the piss surely?

 

[1990crow]

Just curious from Blues fans.. would you prefer Trigg leave or Malthouse? To me it's Trigg that's the one that's doing all the damage. Seems crisis follows him around wherever he goes.

 

[MrsEddieBetts]

Haha you are taking the piss surely?

Everyone is absolving Mick of all responsibility for our list.
He turned over 50% of it. He has been head coach for 3 years. At some point the excuse of "omg the list is sooo bad it's not Mick's fault!" is pointless.

 

[Azul]

wow 3 drafts, i can tell you that the real results of a draft usually takes 6 or 7 years before you can see if a draft was successful or not

We've turned over 20 odd players since Mick arrived. Only 2 home grown kids played on Friday, Cripps and Menzel. Of the rest, 6 were imported from other teams by Mick.

So if you're complaining about depth, consider the remaining 14 players aren't good enough to carry the rest of the team.

Time to give the kids a decent go.

 

[blueboy25]

Just curious from Blues fans.. would you prefer Trigg leave or Malthouse? To me it's Trigg that's the one that's doing all the damage. Seems crisis follows him around wherever he goes.

Yep Trigg is the one who has the team playing with little or no semblance to a game plan, look unfit, can't hit a target and make weekly baffling team selections.

 

[The Flying Doormat]

Just curious from Blues fans.. would you prefer Trigg leave or Malthouse? To me it's Trigg that's the one that's doing all the damage. Seems crisis follows him around wherever he goes.

Piss off back to your board.

 

[MrsEddieBetts]

Piss off back to your board.

Why so nasty?

 

[1990crow]

Yep Trigg is the one who has the team playing with little or no semblance to a game plan, look unfit, can't hit a target and make weekly baffling team selections.

That's the list managers fault. No coach is going to be able to fix this overnight.

 

[1990crow]

Piss off back to your board.

Why? Don't you want your club to improve? As a supporter base you should be asking these questions.

 

[blueboy25]

That's the list managers fault. No coach is going to be able to fix this overnight.

Well Trigg isn't the list manager is he?

 

[slashin_velvet]

That's the list managers fault. No coach is going to be able to fix this overnight.

Mick has a say in the types we recruit (a very large say according to the media interviews rogers gave last season), and has turned over more than 20 players including hand picking the talent to bring in. This list should be resembling his flag side, and its miles off even being competitive.

 

[The Flying Doormat]

Why so nasty?

Typical Crows supporter just wanting to create trouble. I doubt whether this guy has bothered to read more than a couple of posts on this thread to appreciate the sentiment of Carlton supporters. The only intention of that post was to vent at Trigg who was not universally loved at Cow central.

 

[The Flying Doormat]

Why? Don't you want your club to improve? As a supporter base you should be asking these questions.

If you could be bothered reading a bit of this thread rather than coming in wanting to dump on the CEO you'd get an answer to your pointless question.

 

[DaVillaBlues]

It's Mick's ******* list.
If we don't have any depth it's Mick's ******* fault.

Not sure if that's strictly true Meb, the list had already looked stale (or at least peaked) by the time MM took over, the failure of our club to have sustained success with draft picks (as well as the expansion team drafts) has really crippled our club.

Other clubs in a year or two, like Essendon and North, will feel the pinch of Gold Coast and GWS hoarding the draft, of that I am certain.

Look at NM's age demographic and their top ups like Higgins and Potential. Reckon they are in deep strife myself.