Society/Culture Misandry

[Snake_Baker]

Agree, as a woman I find these type of things patronising and embarrassing. Best person for the job, male or female.

Unfortunately, you would be an outcast in most contemporary academic circles.

I'm staggered and genuinely disturbed that this idiocy has gained political power.

 

[Snake_Baker]

I wonder if such policies will ever be applied to the 90% female profession of nursing?

Allied health is also female dominated, but you never see gender diversity policies applied to these professions either.

Men rightfully have an equal choice to enter that field, at least as far as I know.

 

[Cmarsh]

Men rightfully have an equal choice to enter that field, at least as far as I know.

That's not the point though. When you have a profession that is so dominated by one gender and nothing is being done to tip the balance you can see the hypocrisy when so much is being done to get females into traditonally male dominated professions. You could also say that females also have an "equal choice" to enter engineering.

 

[CheapCharlie]

Female students represent less than 20% of total enrolments in Engineering. 20% might be generous.

But for some reason Adelaide Uni wants to get to a 50/50 representation of female to male engineering staff ?

We had one poster suggesting companies should be looking at 50% representation

If women don't want to study the field, how is this going to be achieved?

 

[bfff]

They are not looking for exact gender parity. It is another tactic to get more women into engineering because it is a weak point of the discipline and they are basically desperate. Engineers are nothing if not practical and they know diverse teams produce better results. It’s not some PC gone mad left-wing conspiracy.

 

[Admiral Byng]

It only makes sense if there is a shortage of engineers being trained as students, and you don't want to make up the numbers by setting lower entry standards. If there is a pool of potential students with good grades who are could apply but are put off by the engineering faculty being seen as too male dominated, then maybe this is a logical solution to getting more students into engineering without lowering standards.

Whether this situation exists or not on the ground in Adelaide Uni I have no idea, since I have never been there.

 

[Bradesmaen]

It only makes sense if there is a shortage of engineers being trained as students, and you don't want to make up the numbers by setting lower entry standards. If there is a pool of potential students with good grades who are could apply but are put off by the engineering faculty being seen as too male dominated, then maybe this is a logical solution to getting more students into engineering without lowering standards.

Whether this situation exists or not on the ground in Adelaide Uni I have no idea, since I have never been there.

When I went there most of the females did Electrical engineering (fair amount of asian students) or Environmental. In final year Structural we had 6 females out of a class of around 60.

 

[Hoops]

It seriously disturbs me that there is legislation supporting this crap.

The "new left" is becoming very dangerous.

On principle I think quotas is the wrong way to go about things - I believe in softer affirmative action like education, encouragement and setting up an inclusive environment and culture etc. But you do understand that dictating how organisations should hire including having equal opportunity is a left wing ideal. With you being on the other side I thought you would have no issues in them hiring who they want?

 

[Malifice]

Female students represent less than 20% of total enrolments in Engineering. 20% might be generous.

But for some reason Adelaide Uni wants to get to a 50/50 representation of female to male engineering staff ?

We had one poster suggesting companies should be looking at 50% representation

If women don't want to study the field, how is this going to be achieved?

With policies that encourage and promote greater female representation in that field.

Like the one in the OP that everyone is melting about.

 

[Seeds]

He who hates women of intelligence and power will always hate women.

Relevance to thread?

 

[Seeds]

With policies that encourage and promote greater female representation in that field.

Like the one in the OP that everyone is melting about.

Would you be happy if a school enforced 50 percent primary school teachers are males despite only a tiny fraction of men having teaching degrees?

Skilled employment policies need to match the supply of people with skills. If you want to encourage more females as engineers you encourage more females to take up degrees in engineering. You do not mandate quotas on jobs in skilled employment. It’s insane discrimatory policy that won’t even work on a broader level. Third world stuff. You show your lack of economic understanding by endorsing it as well as showing you don’t really believe in the concept of equality or rights.

 

[Seeds]

It only makes sense if there is a shortage of engineers being trained as students, and you don't want to make up the numbers by setting lower entry standards. If there is a pool of potential students with good grades who are could apply but are put off by the engineering faculty being seen as too male dominated, then maybe this is a logical solution to getting more students into engineering without lowering standards.

Whether this situation exists or not on the ground in Adelaide Uni I have no idea, since I have never been there.

It’s not logical at all. You don’t end discrimination by being discriminatory the other way. You just go, we won’t discriminate any more.

 

[Malifice]

Would you be happy if a school enforced 50 percent primary school teachers are males despite only a tiny fraction of men having teaching degrees?

Skilled employment policies need to match the supply of people with skills. If you want to encourage more females as engineers you encourage more females to take up degrees in engineering. You do not mandate quotas on jobs in skilled employment. It’s insane discrimatory policy that won’t even work on a broader level. Third world stuff. You show your lack of economic understanding by endorsing it as well as showing you don’t really believe in the concept of equality or rights.

If there was a massive wage disparity in favor of women, and a history of female oppression and domination of men, and male exclusion from the workforce and political process, and all the entrenched matriarchy that stems from that, yeah sure I would support it.

 

[its free real estate]

There have been women in engineering initiatives for over 20 years. My uni had scholarships for almost any woman who wanted to do engineering.

Eg at Monash, currently:

https://www.monash.edu/study/fees-s...larship/women-in-engineering-scholarship-5583

It has barely moved the needle.

 

[Seeds]

There have been women in engineering initiatives for over 20 years. My uni had scholarships for almost any woman who wanted to do engineering.

It has barely moved the needle.

Which shows you that most women don’t want to do jobs like engineering. They find it boring. It’s time people start facing reality.

 

[geelong_crazy26]

For the same reason we don’t enforce AFL clubs to have a diversity percentage with their draft picks, companies should not be forced to place based on diversity.

The idea that companies don’t want to hire great employees who will make them more money because they are female or aboriginal is moronic lefty identity politics

 

[Snake_Baker]

On principle I think quotas is the wrong way to go about things - I believe in softer affirmative action like education, encouragement and setting up an inclusive environment and culture etc. But you do understand that dictating how organisations should hire including having equal opportunity is a left wing ideal. With you being on the other side I thought you would have no issues in them hiring who they want?

Yeah, that's wrong.

 

[Snake_Baker]

With policies that encourage and promote greater female representation in that field.

Like the one in the OP that everyone is melting about.

Why should someone elses opinions on gender ideals affect what people want to do of their own free will?

The process is fundamentally flawed from the outset.

 

[CheapCharlie]

Why should someone elses opinions on gender ideals affect what people want to do of their own free will?

The process is fundamentally flawed from the outset.

SOme of the most vocal supporters of this scheme are men

It's the patriarchy!

 

[Snake_Baker]

SOme of the most vocal supporters of this scheme are men

It's the patriarchy!

It's the manufacturing of an artificial victim complex.

 

[Jello_B]

When I went there most of the females did Electrical engineering (fair amount of asian students) or Environmental. In final year Structural we had 6 females out of a class of around 60.

Must of changed since 04, not many females in Electrical and Electronic. Most overseas students that would have just gone home.

 

[Jello_B]

For the same reason we don’t enforce AFL clubs to have a diversity percentage with their draft picks, companies should not be forced to place based on diversity.

The idea that companies don’t want to hire great employees who will make them more money because they are female or aboriginal is moronic lefty identity politics

You post a lot of dribble but this is true.

 

[bfff]

For the same reason we don’t enforce AFL clubs to have a diversity percentage with their draft picks, companies should not be forced to place based on diversity.

The idea that companies don’t want to hire great employees who will make them more money because they are female or aboriginal is moronic lefty identity politics

There is no evidence that this is being forced upon them. It is a conscious decision to encourage women into post-graduate positions. They believe it will provide better outcomes. They are literally advocating for something that they believe will improve their performance.

 

[Snake_Baker]

There is no evidence that this is being forced upon them. It is a conscious decision to encourage women into post-graduate positions. They believe it will provide better outcomes. They are literally advocating for something that they believe will improve their performance.

That's a nice fluffy way of putting it.

You could also state that it's the denial of an entire gender to be included in a process due to gender minority politics.

 

[ShanDog]

There is no evidence that this is being forced upon them. It is a conscious decision to encourage women into post-graduate positions. They believe it will provide better outcomes. They are literally advocating for something that they believe will improve their performance.

Sounds very Machiavellian. Ends justify the means etc.