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CheapCharlie said:
If it is about harassment, why would wolf whistling need to be a hate crime?
Why would misogyny need to be a hate crime?
If misogyny is a hate crime , why wouldn't misandry be a hate crime?
How about just make it a generic hate crime 'against a member of the opposite sex based on a hate of their gender'?

The burden of proof for a wolf whistle can be a video, or a couple of witness corroborations. Proof is much less and more easily obtainable than allegations of sexual assault, so convictions would be much easier for newly minted hate crimes such as wolf whistling.
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I haven't seen it happen since... the 80's?

I don't know what it is like in some places - is it a big issue?

"newly minted hate crimes such as wolf whistling"

I can't see that parliament or the courts would go that far.
 
Chief said:
I haven't seen it happen since... the 80's?

I don't know what it is like in some places - is it a big issue?

"newly minted hate crimes such as wolf whistling"

I can't see that parliament or the courts would go that far.
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It is clearly a big issue for the MPs who are pushing for misogyny to be a hate crime and include such acts as wolf whistling.

You'd have to refer to them for their evidence of how often it happens and what their motivations for pushing for law changes are.

The question still remains: Why is only Misogyny being mentioned as a hate crime, and not misandry? They are the same aren't they?
 

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CheapCharlie said:
It is clearly a big issue for the MPs who are pushing for misogyny to be a hate crime and include such acts as wolf whistling.

You'd have to refer to them for their evidence of how often it happens and what their motivations for pushing for law changes are.

The question still remains: Why is only Misogyny being mentioned as a hate crime, and not misandry? They are the same aren't they?
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How many dudes are sexually harassed in the street?

But sure - it's a flaw that it isn't "gender-hate motivated crime" or something like that.

So then we take away all gradation or distinction between criminal acts? Any difference between, say, assaulting a child and an adult? Stealing a car or a chocolate bar? Piracy and car jacking? Aggravated assaults should all be assaults?
 
Chief said:
How many dudes are sexually harassed in the street?

But sure - it's a flaw that it isn't "gender-hate motivated crime" or something like that.
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Not really relevant how many dudes are harrassed.

The law should be focused with equality, as should the women's rights activists/groups/MPs pushing for these changes.
Misogyny or Misandry, should be seen as some type of generic -gender-hate motivated crime, as u say.
The focus on pushing for misogyny as a hate crime is wrong, in that it only sees females as victims, not males, for such offences


So then we take away all gradation or distinction between criminal acts? Any difference between, say, assaulting a child and an adult? Stealing a car or a chocolate bar? Piracy and car jacking? Aggravated assaults should all be assaults?
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Having Misandry and Misogyny treated the same, is not similar to the examples you give here.
 
CheapCharlie said:
Misogny is not made up
A new low for you kidd.
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You can't read.


CheapCharlie said:
You really struggle with the concept of equality don't you
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You want equality for something that does exist and something that doesn't?

Discussions of misandry aren't taken seriously in the real world for good reason.
 
Kidd Vicious said:
You can't read.



You want equality for something that does exist and something that doesn't?

Discussions of misandry aren't taken seriously in the real world for good reason.
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You really need to get outside your echo chamber of Antifa and middle class commies.

The concept of misandry is often spoken about outaide of this forum.

Sure, It is unlikely to hear guys using the word 'misandry' but conversations touching on man haters is common enough if discussing this type of area. I've also heard plenty of women talk about other women as man haters.
 
CheapCharlie said:
You really need to get outside your echo chamber of Antifa and middle class commies.

The concept of misandry is often spoken about outaide of this forum.

Sure, It is unlikely to hear guys using the word 'misandry' but conversations touching on man haters is common enough if discussing this type of area. I've also heard plenty of women talk about other women as man haters.
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Nope. It's not talked about in serious circles.
 

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its free real estate said:
Nah, they’re all physically weaker and complain about the temperature more
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Exactly.

Men can work in the sun laying bricks while women do shit that matters in nice office set at optimum temperature.
 
CheapCharlie said:
Its about a push to have misogyny included as a hate crime

Quoting a recent Guardian article...

"Campaigners have welcomed an “amazing” victory in the fight against sexist street harassment after the government announced a comprehensive review of hate crime legislation, which will consider whether to recognise misogyny as a hate crime.

The Labour MP Stella Creasy had put forward an amendment to the upskirting bill, which was debated in the Commons on Wednesday evening, that would add misogyny as an aggravating factor, enabling courts to consider it when sentencing an offender and requiring police forces to record it.

Creasy hoped that this would be the first step towards recognising misogyny as a hate crime, just as offences motivated by hostility based on race, religion, trans identity, sexual orientation or disability already are.

But the MP agreed to withdraw her amendment after the government indicated the fully funded review with far wider scope.

Responding to Wednesday's debate, justice minister Lucy Frazer said: “I will be asking the Law Commission to undertake a review of the coverage and approach of hate crime legislation following their earlier recommendation to do so. This will include how protected characteristics including sex and gender characteristics should be considered by new or existing hate crime law.”


Responding to the announcement, Creasy said: “These amendments to the voyeurism bill were to recognise that upskirting does not happen in a vacuum but an environment where women face repeated form s of harassment by those who are hostile to them as women: 45% of women have been sexually harassed in a public place, 63% of women have changed their behaviour as a result of street harassment. Men and women need to be free and safe to walk the streets.”

“Today the government committed to carrying out a full review into all hate crime law, including misogyny – this goes further than the original amendment, and it’s a big step towards calling time on street harassment and to saying misogyny isn’t an inevitable part of life women should put up with or all men commit, but something that damages our society and each of us can make sure is tackled.”

The review follows a long running campaign, led by Citizens UK and Nottingham Women’s Centre, to tackle street harassment of women by recognising it as a misogynist hate crime."
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One problem with certain crimes being classified as 'hate crimes' ie motivated by animosity towards a particular group - is that you have to specify which groups are included and which are not. The current 'in' groups are race, religion, trans identity, sexual orientation and disability. It is proposed that any crimes against women by men should be classed as a hate crime. But why not crimes against Greens voters, or Hawthorn fans, or people attending a Nigel Farage talk? They are all groups that could be victims of crime because of their chosen societal affiliation.

Or crimes against men? Men are predominantly the victims of violent crime in society. Much of this violence towards males is because of their sex.

Another problem is that hate crime laws tend to result in more restrictive hate speech laws when discussing the 'victim' groups. Boris Johnson, an elected British MP, made a fairly moderate speech in response to Denmark banning the burqa. In response
  • Brandon Lewis announced that he was referring Boris to an internal party inquiry that could in principle remove the party Whip from him.
  • the Metropolitan Police Commissioner, Cressida Dick, revealed that she had asked her 500-strong unit dealing with “hate crimes” to examine the column
 

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