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Neither was White a year ago Bo - had decent endurance but lacked the genuine zip he's discovered this year.


Thats rubbish mate it's only that he's using his pace. Do you not remember why he was drafted?

How the newest Tigers shape up
12:55:06 PM Tue 13 December, 2005
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Here’s a summary of the players Richmond snared today in the AFL’s pre-season and rookie drafts . . .


PRE-SEASON DRAFT PICK-UP

MATTHEW WHITE

Date of Birth: 25/2/1987

Height: 178.8cm

Weight: 78kg

Recruited from: Calder Cannons

Position: Midfield


Made his TAC Cup debut back in 2003 as a 16-year-old for the Calder Cannons and also represented Vic Metro team in the under-16 championships. Is hard at the ball, possesses a good work ethic, and has the rare ability to combine exceptional endurance with genuine leg speed. Improved his decision-making ability with his kicking throughout the 2005 season and has shown that he’s more than capable around stoppages. Despite missing a few games through injury (including the under-18 carnival), he really started to develop as an on-baller at TAC Cup level midway through the year. Caused problems for opposition teams with his blistering pace and stamina.

Don't generalise, know what your talking about.
 

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Thats rubbish mate it's only that he's using his pace. Do you not remember why he was drafted?

How the newest Tigers shape up
12:55:06 PM Tue 13 December, 2005
richmondfc.com.au

Here’s a summary of the players Richmond snared today in the AFL’s pre-season and rookie drafts . . .


PRE-SEASON DRAFT PICK-UP

MATTHEW WHITE

Date of Birth: 25/2/1987

Height: 178.8cm

Weight: 78kg

Recruited from: Calder Cannons

Position: Midfield


Made his TAC Cup debut back in 2003 as a 16-year-old for the Calder Cannons and also represented Vic Metro team in the under-16 championships. Is hard at the ball, possesses a good work ethic, and has the rare ability to combine exceptional endurance with genuine leg speed. Improved his decision-making ability with his kicking throughout the 2005 season and has shown that he’s more than capable around stoppages. Despite missing a few games through injury (including the under-18 carnival), he really started to develop as an on-baller at TAC Cup level midway through the year. Caused problems for opposition teams with his blistering pace and stamina.

Don't generalise, know what your talking about.


Articles - especially those which come from the club who just drafted them - about kids in their junior days seldom have a great deal of relevance to how they actually end up. If it were otherwise and post-draft hype equated to reality, Fiora would have won a Brownlow by now and Paddy Steinfort would still be putting Simmonds to shame.

We've known for years that White has outstanding endurance, but until this year, the only time he'd genuinely showed outstanding pace in an AFL game was while sprinting to the bench.

I've got every game we've played in the time White was drafted, go ahead and name one single instance prior to this year where he demonstrated the sort of pace at AFL level which he has shown this year.

You can't use what you haven't yet fully developed.

White wouldn't have been on relatively thin ice at the end of last year if he had the pace he now does after a huge pre-season working on it - he'd have been getting played in the seniors ahead of the likes of Raines and King.
 
Funnily enough one of the reasons he gave for leaving Eagles is because he wanted to move away from the forward pocket to play midfield. Now hes at Richmond hes got literally no chance of playing in the midfield. Looks like hes stuck at what is his best position up forward

Think you will find he left because he was sick of not getting a game;)
 
Neither was White a year ago Bo - had decent endurance but lacked the genuine zip he's discovered this year. A couple of years before that Foley didn't have anywhere near the pace he does today when fully fit.

But wait, what am I talking about, we have no demonstrated ability to improve players! I forgot! :p

I'd be surprised if Morton doesn't end up part of our 2nd/3rd midfield rotation once he has another pre-season or two under his belt.

Gotta disagree with this - I always thought he had very impressive speed, just took a year to learn where to get into position to get the ball.
 
Gotta disagree with this - I always thought he had very impressive speed, just took a year to learn where to get into position to get the ball.

He's been on the list since 2005 PJ and we played blokes like Hartigan ahead of him in the back pocket because we were crying out for a small defender who could run and break lines. At the time, Hartigan was providing more run out of defense than White could. White only got a chance in his 2nd year because Hartigan got injured, then he was dropped a few games later because he wasn't doing very well at the rebounding and breaking lines stuff which he has the pace to do easily now.

It was undoubtedly partly a confidence issue, but at the same time, did anyone ever hear mention of White being in the top couple of sprinters at the club until last pre-season? We knew he was pushing Hyde in the tan, but the likes of Deledio, Tambling, Oakley-Nicholls and even Richo were always mentioned instead of White when it came to sprinting. Jake King got the gig ahead of him to run in the grand final sprint last year. This year he was in the top couple, it was the first time it had happened, and the improvement (going past players in the same draft year) was attributed to having a Foley-like pre-season where he worked his arse off.

I'm not claiming he never had natural pace, merely that over the least pre-season he took it to a whole other level from what he'd been able to do before.
 
He's been on the list since 2005 PJ and we played blokes like Hartigan ahead of him in the back pocket because we were crying out for a small defender who could run and break lines. At the time, Hartigan was providing more run out of defense than White could. White only got a chance in his 2nd year because Hartigan got injured, then he was dropped a few games later because he wasn't doing very well at the rebounding and breaking lines stuff which he has the pace to do easily now.

It was undoubtedly partly a confidence issue, but at the same time, did anyone ever hear mention of White being in the top couple of sprinters at the club until last pre-season? We knew he was pushing Hyde in the tan, but the likes of Deledio, Tambling, Oakley-Nicholls and even Richo were always mentioned instead of White when it came to sprinting. Jake King got the gig ahead of him to run in the grand final sprint last year. This year he was in the top couple, it was the first time it had happened, and the improvement (going past players in the same draft year) was attributed to having a Foley-like pre-season where he worked his arse off.

I'm not claiming he never had natural pace, merely that over the least pre-season he took it to a whole other level from what he'd been able to do before.

Whitey had been lightning fast from the 2005 pre season game between the probs and the poss where he stood out because of it. I would even suggest that now , he is pacing himself when he gets it, so he doesnt run to fast into trouble and lets trouble try to get to him, which leaves him the split second to change direction when the oncoming player moves one way. He puts the pedal to the metal when and if it is needed, which has made him into a good player.;)
 
He's been on the list since 2005 PJ and we played blokes like Hartigan ahead of him in the back pocket because we were crying out for a small defender who could run and break lines. At the time, Hartigan was providing more run out of defense than White could. White only got a chance in his 2nd year because Hartigan got injured, then he was dropped a few games later because he wasn't doing very well at the rebounding and breaking lines stuff which he has the pace to do easily now.

It was undoubtedly partly a confidence issue, but at the same time, did anyone ever hear mention of White being in the top couple of sprinters at the club until last pre-season? We knew he was pushing Hyde in the tan, but the likes of Deledio, Tambling, Oakley-Nicholls and even Richo were always mentioned instead of White when it came to sprinting. Jake King got the gig ahead of him to run in the grand final sprint last year. This year he was in the top couple, it was the first time it had happened, and the improvement (going past players in the same draft year) was attributed to having a Foley-like pre-season where he worked his arse off.

I'm not claiming he never had natural pace, merely that over the least pre-season he took it to a whole other level from what he'd been able to do before.


disagree rayzor

absolutely guarantee he was lauded from his first pre season as being in the top handful of sprinters at the club. If you do a search of articles from his first pre season you'll see his name was always mentioned as one of the quickest

Has always been one of the top sprinters AND endurance athletes at the club. Im glad hes come on and proved me wrong in a football sense this season bc I'll put my hand up I had written him off last season as a goer with heart who lacked game.

well done whitey :thumbsu:
 
disagree rayzor

absolutely guarantee he was lauded from his first pre season as being in the top handful of sprinters at the club. If you do a search of articles from his first pre season you'll see his name was always mentioned as one of the quickest.

I honestly don't remember that tony and I can't find anything to that effect, just that he was always exceptional at running the tan.

I think we've drifted away from my original point a bit here, which was only to say that his pace improved over the pre-season - not to say he never had very good pace already, just that he'd taken it up a notch or two much the same as Foley did.

I thought I recalled reading an article on White during the pre-season where it mentioned him setting out to improve his pace and endurance further and emulate what Foley did the season before, and then went on with one of the coaching staff saying White had a massive pre-season, worked his arse off, and how good it was having a bloke like Foley setting the example for others of what can come from hard work.
 
I honestly don't remember that tony and I can't find anything to that effect, just that he was always exceptional at running the tan.

I think we've drifted away from my original point a bit here, which was only to say that his pace improved over the pre-season - not to say he never had very good pace already, just that he'd taken it up a notch or two much the same as Foley did.

I thought I recalled reading an article on White during the pre-season where it mentioned him setting out to improve his pace and endurance further and emulate what Foley did the season before, and then went on with one of the coaching staff saying White had a massive pre-season, worked his arse off, and how good it was having a bloke like Foley setting the example for others of what can come from hard work.


Rayzorwire is spot on.

the afl is all about repeat efforts.

Before this year Matthew White may have been an elite 100m runner on the track. he may .... well rested , and run once, been in the top bracket in 20 metre speed at richmond.

However, the fact of the matter is, showing this on the football field in the afl is a very different thing. Its sounds silly but as an afl midfielder you need elite endurance, to show elite sprinting speed in the afl. If you can't run 15 kilometres in a game, with 10% of that being at maximum output, put simply you look slow.

Only by building up his motor and having a massive pre-season has white been able to show his natural sprinting ability, only by following foley around, and understanding the hard work and sacrfice required to make it as an elite afl midfielder, has this been possible.

White is blessed with the big mac for an afl midfielder he has elite endurance, and elite sprinting speed. Only by building his motor has this been able to be shown on the football field.
 

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I honestly don't remember that tony and I can't find anything to that effect, just that he was always exceptional at running the tan.

I think we've drifted away from my original point a bit here, which was only to say that his pace improved over the pre-season - not to say he never had very good pace already, just that he'd taken it up a notch or two much the same as Foley did.

I thought I recalled reading an article on White during the pre-season where it mentioned him setting out to improve his pace and endurance further and emulate what Foley did the season before, and then went on with one of the coaching staff saying White had a massive pre-season, worked his arse off, and how good it was having a bloke like Foley setting the example for others of what can come from hard work.

Great post!

Well said...again!
 

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