Mitchell Johnson - Finished?

[Carbine Chaos]

After 53 Tests: Wasim Akram 222 wkts Mitchell Johnson 222* wkts

What is the difference in the bowling averages?

 

[The Passenger]

What is the difference in the bowling averages?

Just a mere 6 runs... so yeah. not up there with akram.

 

[Kyptastic]

Just a mere 6 runs... so yeah. not up there with akram.

Could make the argument about bigger bats, smaller grounds etc. that help explain the differential. That also brings their averages closer however.

 

[Carbine Chaos]

Could make the argument about bigger bats, smaller grounds etc. that help explain the differential. That also brings their averages closer however.

Could also argue about the quality of players each had to bowl to. All the variables.

 

[Kyptastic]

Could also argue about the quality of players each had to bowl to. All the variables.

Fair enough.

That said, he'd be getting close to the top few left arm fast bowlers of all time. The only ones off the top of my head who I'd say are definitely better are Akram and Davidson.

 

[Carbine Chaos]

Fair enough.

That said, he'd be getting close to the top few left arm fast bowlers of all time. The only ones off the top of my head who I'd say are definitely better are Akram and Davidson.

Bruce Reid was pretty good too.

 

[The Passenger]

Could make the argument about bigger bats, smaller grounds etc. that help explain the differential. That also brings their averages closer however.

doesn't make up six runs.

Overall runs per wicket in test cricket is pretty much bang on 32. For the last 10 years it's pretty much bang on 34. For the 1990's it's 31.6

If you wanted to calculate their respective averages correlated to overall test cricket, you would have Johnson at 27.8, and Akram at 23.7. A bit overly simplistic but one method nonetheless.

Still a fair difference and you gotta factor in Akram played in the toughest conditions for fast bowling, although they did put out pitches that suited their quicks given the Akram, Younis and later for a short period Shoaib Akhtar.

 

[Kyptastic]

Bruce Reid was pretty good too.

Did a bit of research - Sobers and Khan are up there as well.

 

[Andronicus]

Bruce Reid was pretty good too.

The top half was ok, but the bottom half was all over the place.

 

[Barry_Badrinath]

A better comparison than Akram:

Johnson: 53 matches, 222 wickets, Average: 29.44, Strike Rate: 53.1, Best bowling: 8/61
Thomson: 51 matches, 200 wickets, Average: 28.00, Strike Rate: 52.6, Best bowling: 6/46

 

[Stan_Darsh72]

I think we are now seeing in MJ what Lillee saw all those years ago.

 

[The Passenger]

Did a bit of research - Sobers and Khan are up there as well.

except imran khan was a right arm bowler a blood good one. arguably the best of the great paki quicks.

 

[Kyptastic]

except imran khan was a right arm bowler a blood good one. arguably the best of the great paki quicks.

Zaheer Khan

 

[The Passenger]

Zaheer Khan

ahhhhh yep yep. pretty solid bowler. think johnson has him well covered though.

 

[Bradesmaen]

Johnson needs to bowl at the stumps more. In his second spell he was as threatening as a sledge from the Queen.

 

[imadodgyumpire]

Johnson needs to bowl at the stumps more. In his second spell he was as threatening as a sledge from the Queen.

Why bring Clarke into this?

 

[dan warna]

Lillee's mo channeling raw power...

 

[dan warna]

Can someone provide analysis on Mitch with facial hair and without Facial hair...

I has theory...

 

[Moonwatcher]

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Would be epic if Anderson wasn't so damn tall

 

[Belnakor]

Healy dissecting his action earlier - I hate it.

You aren't a bowler, and, even if you were - shut up.

He's a wrecking ball at the moment, change nothing!!

I wouldn't have Healy dissecting anything. He can't even talk about wicket keeping.

 

[Adelaide Hawk]

I think we are now seeing in MJ what Lillee saw all those years ago.

I think we knew it was all there, we just wondered if he would ever realize his potential.

 

[JP Sauce]

I wouldn't have Healy dissecting anything. He can't even talk about wicket keeping.

Well have you seen his fingers? Probably can't even hold a scalpel.

 

[The Falcon Strike]

I think we are now seeing in MJ what Lillee saw all those years ago.

I don't

We saw it a few years ago against South Africa.

What we are seeing now is extreme pace taking wickets. Extreme pace is hard to maintain series after series, pitch after pitch.

When Mitch bowled against South Africa he had the outswinger going (inswinger to right handers).

When he had that he was damn near unplayable.

If Mitch gets that swing back - he'll be fantastic and not relying on poor batsmanship gifting him wickets.

At present though - his pace has the poms rattled. Against a SA team boasting Amla, Kallis, ABDV et al - he wouldn't have the same impact IMO

 

[Smeg Head]

I don't

We saw it a few years ago against South Africa.

What we are seeing now is extreme pace taking wickets. Extreme pace is hard to maintain series after series, pitch after pitch.

When Mitch bowled against South Africa he had the outswinger going (inswinger to right handers).

When he had that he was damn near unplayable.

If Mitch gets that swing back - he'll be fantastic and not relying on poor batsmanship gifting him wickets.

At present though - his pace has the poms rattled. Against a SA team boasting Amla, Kallis, ABDV et al - he wouldn't have the same impact IMO

Didn't see the swing on that delivery that rattled right through Cook then?

 

[The Falcon Strike]

Didn't see the swing on that delivery that rattled right through Cook then?

The movement from leg to off was off the pitch - not through the air. The movement through the air had a hint of inswing, not outswing.

Mitch took 7 or 8 at the WACA with that tailing ball taking the edge. However when batsmen learnt to let anything go pitched on off peg - he became far less damaging.

If he swings it back - then they have to play. It was that swing which made Bruce Reid unplayable at times.

Mitch had that swing with the white ball in England. He just can't translate it with the red ball.

As it is - he is demolishing the tail and some suspect cross batting techniques, but he isn't anywhere near Wasim Akram, nor the bowler he was when he destroyed Smith's hand (twice)