Moira Deeming v John Pesutto

[Sttew]

The Age reporting in multiple articles that Battin is "non-religious" and a "self-described atheist".

Apologies for bringing that news to the peanut gallery of BigFooty!

Just goes to show the level of fabrication and misinformation in this forum from the leftists.

 

[Festerz]

Which government, Labor or Liberal, state or federal, has not gone down the path of privatisation? Keating started it well before Kennett. And let’s face it, Andrews sold off anything he could.

Not all privatisations are equal.

Selling government owned airlines and banks when there are already private alternatives, as Keating did, makes economic sense by increasing competitive efficiency and reducing sovereign risk for taxpayers in markets. Especially in the face of globalisation and competition from multi-national/international providers. Governments are best focussed on market regulation rather than being participants in these markets.

Selling off local market focussed government owned utilities/assets in the electricity and water sectors and the public transport market to the private sector, as (mostly) conservative state governments (but started in Victoria by the Kirner Labor Government) have done in several states is an entirely different proposition and is mostly based on political dogma and aimed at revenue raising.

 

[Romeoh1]

Battin looks ok, and hopefully he is, but give it time and we will see. They always seem to end up revealing themselves to be duffers. Go figure.

 

[Sttew]

Not all privatisations are equal.

Selling government owned airlines and banks when there are already private alternatives, as Keating did, makes economic sense by increasing competitive efficiency and reducing sovereign risk for taxpayers in markets. Governments are best focussed on market regulation rather than being participants in these markets.

Selling off government owned utilities/assets in the electricity and water sector and the public transport market to the private sector, as (mostly) conservative state governments (but started in Victoria by the Kirner Labor Government) have done in several states is an entirely different proposition and is mostly based on political dogma and aimed at revenue raising.

You’re right. But can you not see how warped the narrative is in this forum. You’d think the Kennett government was the ONLY government to privatise which I pointed out is plain wrong. And some of that bullshit has come out of the mouth of Dan Andrews!

Former Victorian auditor attacks Andrews’ power privatisation claims

The man who audited Victoria’s debt-laden finances during the 1990s says Victorian Premier Daniel Andrews’ claim privatisation of the SEC failed is “complete bullshit”.

www.afr.com

 

[Not Important]

Which government, Labor or Liberal, state or federal, has not gone down the path of privatisation? Keating started it well before Kennett. And let’s face it, Andrews sold off anything he could.

no one, repeat, no one in federal or state politics flogged off more government-owned enterprises than the big mouth. it’s disingenuous to suggest otherwise.

selling off government-owned instrumentalities isn’t in itself a bad thing. few would argue that selling the commonwealth bank, or telstra, or qantas, for example, was a bad thing. or in victoria’s case, the t.a.b. but flogging off essential services such as public transport, electricity, gas and water distribution which the big mouth did is quite another question.

which is why i’m pissed off with labor for flogging births, deaths and marriages, albeit through necessity.

and no one, come up with the arrant nonsense that the private sector does it better.

 

[Not Important]

Battin looks ok, and hopefully he is, but give it time and we will see. They always seem to end up revealing themselves to be duffers. Go figure.

well, if someone who is from the “right-wing, christian faction” and is all about being tough on crime and promising to give business more freedoms is an indication of where the reactionaries are heading under him it's not looking positive for we egalitarians.

wouldn’t it be delicious irony if the rightist dingbats who got their way by blowing up an electorally popular party under pesutto were to lose the unloseable election bc of it?

 

[Bunk Moreland]

Which government, Labor or Liberal, state or federal, has not gone down the path of privatisation? Keating started it well before Kennett. And let’s face it, Andrews sold off anything he could.

Essential public services?

Kennett sold stuff which had no business being sold.

 

[Bunk Moreland]

Battin looks ok, and hopefully he is, but give it time and we will see. They always seem to end up revealing themselves to be duffers. Go figure.

Their party room is captured by religious nutters. That will always reveal itself, just as it has in the past week.

 

[Sttew]

no one, repeat, no one in federal or state politics flogged off more government-owned enterprises than the big mouth. it’s disingenuous to suggest otherwise.

selling off government-owned instrumentalities isn’t in itself a bad thing. few would argue that selling the commonwealth bank, or telstra, or qantas, for example, was a bad thing. or in victoria’s case, the t.a.b. but flogging off essential services such as public transport, electricity, gas and water distribution which the big mouth did is quite another question.

which is why i’m pissed off with labor for flogging births, deaths and marriages, albeit through necessity.

and no one, come up with the arrant nonsense that the private sector does it better.

Funny how you and other lefties change your tune . Firstly the story was Kennett privatised like he was the first only and last leader to do that. That’s been debunked. So now it’s “he privatised more than anyone else”.

In 1990 when Victoria was forced to sell our bank, the State Bank of Victoria, Paul Keating warned that the dire financial woes of Victoria “threatened to destabilise the national economy”.

That is why Kennett privatised. And with the SECV he only sold what Kirner hadn’t previously sold. So stop pretending Kennett was solely responsible for privatisation of thE SECV.

You talk about me being disingenuous. How about you stop being disingenuous and admit Kennett did what had to be done get Victoria out of a colossal hole that threatened to destabilise the national economy?

 

[peetoo]

Very vewy quiet on SRL

Some in here will be dissapoint

 

[AlwaysHawks15]

I have no shame in saying I paid minimal attention to Victorian politics pre-2014.

But, since Liberal's only had 4 years in the last 25, it sounds like a trick question. Meaningful change takes time.

How about you tell me which of these crucial areas are in better shape than 2014?

- Health system

- Budget position & financial sustainability

- Education

- Crime rates

- Justice system

The Libs solution on crime is to throw more people in jail at a huge cost to the taxpayer. They also created PSO's at Train stations because a loud minority complained about a few scary looking people hanging out there. Again lots of resources wasted IMO and what has it actually achieved? They mostly wander around every night doing nothing and get paid for it. Don't tell me they deter crime because they don't. Labor has maintained the PSO's because it doesn't hurt them politically, it's a meh policy. I don't look at something like that and think " wow I'm so glad I have the PSO's here keeping me safe". May not be a popular opinion on here but there you go. You will get more pandering to the minority policies with the Libs because that's how they operate.

 

[Sttew]

The Libs solution on crime is to throw more people in jail at a huge cost to the taxpayer.

Is that the LNP’s solution or have you just made that up? I’d love to hear what your solution is and I’m sure the government would too as they have absolutely no clue.

BTW, 23.47% of the 65,000 cars stolen Australia wide in 2023 were stolen in Victoria. Have you wondered why our car insurance premiums have risen?

 

[QuietB]

Ok, I'll take your bait.

3. Surplus budget positions. $2 billion surplus in 2014.

So you must be a big fan of the current Albanese government then?

 

[adogsfan5]

Is that the LNP’s solution or have you just made that up? I’d love to hear what your solution is and I’m sure the government would too as they have absolutely no clue.

Here’s an interesting line from Battin’s page.

“Brad was prompted to run for Parliament after seeing an increase in youth crime. He came to believe that we need to identify the root causes of crime, rather than just locking up young people.“

 

[AlwaysHawks15]

Citylink was a massive improvement on John Caine jewell in the crown, the South East ‘Freeway’, complete with intersections and traffic lights. Kennett’s contract with Transurban expired in about 2002

How did Kennett go with the Western Ring Road? So good they have had to redo it 3 times since and only when Labor has been in government. Poorly designed just like Fed square was but now runs quite well when you invest into it properly and have the right connections and duplications in place. Jeff's shed being there or not hasn't affected my life in any way so how exactly is it a revolutionary bit of infrastructure? I've probably been there once or twice in my life. CityLink and the Casino are his landmark legacies.

 

[AlwaysHawks15]

Here’s an interesting line from Battin’s page.

“Brad was prompted to run for Parliament after seeing an increase in youth crime. He came to believe that we need to identify the root causes of crime, rather than just locking up young people.“

Yet he's coming out today speaking like Cristafulli. Do what you have to do politically to gain power by the sounds of it even go back on what you believe in

 

[adogsfan5]

Yet he's coming out today speaking like Cristafulli. Do what you have to do politically to gain power by the sounds of it even go back on what you believe in

What is it that he has said that you dislike already?

 

[AlwaysHawks15]

Is that the LNP’s solution or have you just made that up? I’d love to hear what your solution is and I’m sure the government would too as they have absolutely no clue.

BTW, 23.47% of the 65,000 cars stolen Australia wide in 2023 were stolen in Victoria. Have you wondered why our car insurance premiums have risen?

Don't shoot the messenger. Baillieu ran on a campaign of tougher law and order and got elected than realised in order to do what he said he was going to do he had to build more prisons. So instead the PSO's were rolled out and they wiped their hands clean after that because the perception was they were doing something about it when in reality it was bugger all. Just like most of their term in government. Promise this than procrastinate, say you will invest in this than crickets and tumbleweeds. You can pretend none of this is true if you like but it isn't accurate and I think you know that

 

[Sttew]

How did Kennett go with the Western Ring Road? So good they have had to redo it 3 times since and only when Labor has been in government.

It opened before he became premier, LOL

And the Western Ring Road hasn’t been “redone” 3 times. It’s been expanded and extended, just like ALL freeways have in Melbourne.

 

[AlwaysHawks15]

What is it that he has said that you dislike already?

The Prahran candidate stood next to him talking about " Adult crime adult time" which is straight out of the QLD liberal party's playbook. It clearly worked in QLD so it sounds like there going to try it on here because Battin didn't dispute any of it.

 

[Sttew]

Don't shoot the messenger. Baillieu ran on a campaign of tougher law and order and got elected than realised in order to do what he said he was going to do he had to build more prisons. So instead the PSO's were rolled out and they wiped their hands clean after that because the perception was they were doing something about it when in reality it was bugger all. Just like most of their term in government. Promise this than procrastinate, say you will invest in this than crickets and tumbleweeds. You can pretend none of this is true if you like but it isn't accurate and I think you know that

Bailieu was premier over a decade ago. If that’s the best you can come up with to put Brad Battin down, FMD

 

[adogsfan5]

The Prahran candidate stood next to him talking about " Adult crime adult time" which is straight out of the QLD liberal party's playbook. It clearly worked in QLD so it sounds like there going to try it on here because Battin didn't dispute any of it.

Are you already off him because of this?

 

[AlwaysHawks15]

It opened before he became premier, LOL

And the Western Ring Road hasn’t been “redone” 3 times. It’s been expanded and extended, just like any freeway in Melbourne.

It was opened in the mid 90s you goose. Shows how much you know about history.

 

[AlwaysHawks15]

Bailieu was premier over a decade ago. If that’s the best you can come up with to put Brad Battin down, FMD

Isn't Battin running on the same campaign or am I dreaming?

 

[Sttew]

It was opened in the mid 90s you goose. Shows how much you know about history.

I’m the goose?

“The freeway was designated Ring Road 80 when its first stage opened, quickly replaced by Metropolitan Route 80 in 1992, and extended across successive stages as they opened. With Victoria's conversion to the newer alphanumeric system in the late 1990s, this was updated to M80 in 1997 (for the sections not declared a National Highway).”