Current Murder of Luke Davies & Jesse Baird AFL Goal Umpire & ex Ch 10 Presenter * Stalker Cop Charged

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Thursday 16 February:
Service revolver obtained for user pays event. Was stored at mother's as per regulations.

Sunday 19 February: User pays event.

Monday 20 February: The murders at Baird's Paddington rental.

Monday 19 February: Police have alleged gunshots were heard from a house in Paddington, Sydney in the morning. Four minutes after the first shots were fired there was a 000 call made from Jessie's phone around 9.45am, but it disconnected. Police said there was "no communication" during that call.

Monday evening: Police have alleged Lamarre-Condon hired a white Hiace van from Sydney Airport.

Tuesday 20 February: Police have alleged that partial admissions were made by Lamarre-Condon to an acquaintance of having been involved in the death of two individuals.

Service revolver was returned to Balmain & later transferred to original storage.

Wednesday 21 February: Bloodied clothing belonging to both victims and an $8000 watch were found in a skip bin in the southern Sydney suburb of Cronulla. Police launch a missing persons investigation and the homicide unit is notified

Later same Wednesday: Police have alleged Lamarre-Condon attended the Bungonia area with an acquaintance who police believed assisted him in purchasing an angle grinder and padlock from a local hardware store in that area, before driving to a rural property in Bungonia.

Police said the "small" angle grinder was used to sever a padlock from the gate of that particular rural property and then that padlock was replaced with a padlock purchased from the hardware store.

The acquaintance was left at the top of the property for 30 minutes. The accused disappeared for that period in the Hiace van, returning to pick up the acquaintance and then they returned to Sydney later that afternoon. Police said the acquaintance was assisting them in their inquiries, that she is not a suspect, and they believe she was an "innocent agent".

Wednesday 11pm: Police have said that evening, weights were purchased from a department store by the accused and it is believed that the accused returned to that rural property overnight and during that evening, having also acquired two torches from the acquaintance.

Thursday 22 February: Police have alleged they can place the accused leaving the Bungonia area again at 4.30am. "It would appear that the accused has remained in the city area, still in control of the white Hiace van, before attending a further acquaintance's premises in the Newcastle area and without fully disclosing any criminality, asked access to a hose to clean that van," Hudson said.

Friday 23 February: At 10.39am, Lamarre-Condon presents himself at Bondi Police Station where he was arrested and subsequently charged.

 
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'The second clip is taken just three hours after the alleged murders last Monday.

Lamarre-Condon is shown walking into the same store, this time by himself, and once again walks out with a single surfboard bag.

This one, police allege, was used for Davies' body.'
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"Beau Lamarre-Condon is in custody, awaiting the court process and Commissioner Karen Webb has not ruled out charging more people in relation to the attempted cover up of the alleged crime."

"A week after police allege Mr Baird and Mr Davies were killed, NSW Police revealed a triple-0 call had been made from Mr Davies's phone.
It was four minutes after gun shots are alleged to have been fired inside the Paddington terrace home."


Much more measured article from the abc than you get from the Daily Mail & Daily Telegraph, both of which seem to make up what they don't know & add bits for sensationalism in all their 'reporting'.
 
So you’re yelling Get out, * off, while you’re bleeding out? Right
The ABC article doesn't say anything about those words being uttered on the call.

Police say the call disconnected before anyone spoke to the operator, and they don't know who placed the call.

 
I can see that the NSW Police being sued by the families in a wrongful death suit might be on the cards:

"More than six months before Baird and Davies were killed, the police watchdog urged the force to improve its record-keeping of service firearms in a report.
“One of the most significant risks we noted was deficiencies in record keeping in relation to the removal of firearms,” the Law Enforcement Conduct Commission (Lecc) report stated."

 
The ABC article doesn't say anything about those words being uttered on the call.

Police say the call disconnected before anyone spoke to the operator, and they don't know who placed the call.
But I think what you are quoting from the ABC article might not have been updated information as it repeats what was said two days before further information was released.
 
But I think what you are quoting from the ABC article might not have been updated information as it repeats what was said two days before further information was released.
The article was posted 4 hours ago. I'd trust the ABC more than the the Daily Mail or Daily Telegraph to get the details correct & update information.

For example, the ABC says the Triple 0 call came in 4 minutes after the shots. The Daily Telegraph says 15 minutes.

Has this information been provided to both media outlets by the police? Or has one spoken to a neighbour?

They (the police & media) are both relying on neighbours to get the times of those shots correct to compare it to the Triple 0 call..were there multiple neighbours who heard the shots? Did they all look at their watches and note down the exact times they heard each shot, so the police could compare those with the time the Triple 0 call came in?

Or is the media adding in details they don't really know to be totally accurate? Which is much more likely.

15 minutes to call Triple 0 seems a long time.. 4 minutes which had always been reported seems more likely. Imo.

That's just an example of where the media has been inconsistent. Not surprising with the amount of information being released, and where you can take some of what you read with a grain of salt.. but I fear for how this may all affect the case if it goes to trial.
 
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If the accused had been dismissed from the force, prior to planning to murder Jesse Baird, it's open to speculation as to whether he would have tried to get hold of a handgun via other means to take with him on any attempt to murder Jesse Baird, or whether Jesse and his friends might have been more comfortable reporting an ex-Police Officer (the accused) to Crimestoppers for stalking and breaking and entering etc.

Interesting that a former detective has now come out and asserted that "most police go and get their firearm on the morning of the user pays [shift],” as opposed to 2 days before, as in this case.

‘Breakdown’ in processes may have allowed police gun to be used in alleged murders, former senior detective says

If police claims are correct, a gun appears to have been ‘largely unaccounted for’ the weekend before alleged murders of Jesse Baird and Luke Davies, Vincent Hurley says
Catie McLeod
Sat 2 Mar 2024 10.32 AEDT

A former senior detective has raised concerns about an apparent “breakdown” in processes that may have allowed a force-issued firearm to be used in the alleged murder of two young men in Sydney.

Vincent Hurley, whose New South Wales police career spanned almost three decades, said he was troubled by police claims, made in the course of the ongoing homicide investigation, that suggested a Glock had been “largely unaccounted for” before being used to allegedly kill Jesse Baird and Luke Davies.
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Hurley, a former detective who is now a criminology lecturer at Macquarie University, said he believed it would be unusual for an officer to be able to keep a Glock for the whole weekend.

“To my knowledge and my experience, it’s rare, because most police go and get their firearm on the morning of the user pays [shift],” Hurley said.
...
If the claims were correct, Hurley said, “something’s gone terribly wrong. It has been largely unaccounted for. There’s clearly been a breakdown”.
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More than six months before Baird and Davies were killed, the police watchdog urged the force to improve its record-keeping of service firearms in a report.

“One of the most significant risks we noted was deficiencies in record keeping in relation to the removal of firearms,” the Law Enforcement Conduct Commission (Lecc) report stated.

The alleged use of a police handgun in the deaths of Baird and Davies will be the subject of an internal NSW police review with oversight from the Lecc as well as Victoria police.

The NSW police commissioner, Karen Webb, this week claimed that there had been a “failure” regarding the use of a police weapon.
Samantha Lee, a senior solicitor at Redfern Legal Centre, said the review should be conducted by the NSW auditor general.

“We can’t allow this critical public safety review to happen behind closed doors and by another police force,” Lee said.

A police spokesperson said the review was expected to take six weeks and would examine authorisation, home storage, storage at other police stations, record management and governance.'
 
I'd trust the ABC more than the the Daily Mail or Daily Telegraph to get the details correct & update information.
I wouldn't blindly assume that.

The case is moving so fast, and so much new info was released yesterday, that every one of the media outlets is probably going to get things wrong in some way (including by omission) in a case like this.
 
If the accused had been dismissed from the force, prior to planning to murder Jesse Baird, it's open to speculation as to whether he would have tried to get hold of a handgun via other means to take with him on any attempt to murder Jesse Baird, or whether Jesse and his friends might have been more comfortable reporting an ex-Police Officer (the accused) to Crimestoppers for stalking and breaking and entering etc.

Interesting that a former detective has now come out and asserted that "most police go and get their firearm on the morning of the user pays [shift],” as opposed to 2 days before, as in this case.

‘Breakdown’ in processes may have allowed police gun to be used in alleged murders, former senior detective says

If police claims are correct, a gun appears to have been ‘largely unaccounted for’ the weekend before alleged murders of Jesse Baird and Luke Davies, Vincent Hurley says
Catie McLeod
Sat 2 Mar 2024 10.32 AEDT

A former senior detective has raised concerns about an apparent “breakdown” in processes that may have allowed a force-issued firearm to be used in the alleged murder of two young men in Sydney.

Vincent Hurley, whose New South Wales police career spanned almost three decades, said he was troubled by police claims, made in the course of the ongoing homicide investigation, that suggested a Glock had been “largely unaccounted for” before being used to allegedly kill Jesse Baird and Luke Davies.
....
Hurley, a former detective who is now a criminology lecturer at Macquarie University, said he believed it would be unusual for an officer to be able to keep a Glock for the whole weekend.

“To my knowledge and my experience, it’s rare, because most police go and get their firearm on the morning of the user pays [shift],” Hurley said.
...
If the claims were correct, Hurley said, “something’s gone terribly wrong. It has been largely unaccounted for. There’s clearly been a breakdown”.
....
More than six months before Baird and Davies were killed, the police watchdog urged the force to improve its record-keeping of service firearms in a report.

“One of the most significant risks we noted was deficiencies in record keeping in relation to the removal of firearms,” the Law Enforcement Conduct Commission (Lecc) report stated.

The alleged use of a police handgun in the deaths of Baird and Davies will be the subject of an internal NSW police review with oversight from the Lecc as well as Victoria police.

The NSW police commissioner, Karen Webb, this week claimed that there had been a “failure” regarding the use of a police weapon.
Samantha Lee, a senior solicitor at Redfern Legal Centre, said the review should be conducted by the NSW auditor general.

“We can’t allow this critical public safety review to happen behind closed doors and by another police force,” Lee said.

A police spokesperson said the review was expected to take six weeks and would examine authorisation, home storage, storage at other police stations, record management and governance.'
If the only thing that was different in this situation was Lamarre's occupation.. that doesn't change his obsession with Jesse.

He would have just found a different method.

And even reporting his behaviour to police, had LC not been a police officer, would not necessarily or be a guarantee to have made any difference either.

Women get murdered by exes all the time whilst an AVO is in place.
 
I wouldn't blindly assume that.

The case is moving so fast, and so much new info was released yesterday, that every one of the media outlets is probably going to get things wrong in some way (including by omission) in a case like this.
I'm not blindly assuming anything. I just said 'I' would trust the ABC over the Daily Mail or Daily Telegraph to get the info checked & updated. For example, the ABC has chosen not to print certain details, so as not to prejudice the legal proceedings & a court case. Much more responsible journalism.

And I acknowledged in my comment about the amount of information being released..'That's just an example of where the media has been inconsistent. Not surprising with the amount of information being released, and where you can take some of what you read with a grain of salt.. but I fear for how this may all affect the case if it goes to trial.'
 
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There are hundreds of 000 calls every day and a good proportion turn out to be false alarms and pranks. Police would have other pressing matters to take care of so they couldn’t spend time investigating without more reason, especially as no one had reported hearing shots at the time. All those investigative measures would have taken considerable time.
Good to get confirmation that Police have access to the address a mobile phone is registered to.
I assume that all Police have access to this and can get it within seconds.
Do they also get the mobile account holder's name along with the address?
Noting that the Account holder's name could be a family member or a business owner that provides the phone to an employee, worker, family member or friend.

in the far below, ABC article, Dr Hurely might have been interviewed before the contents of the 000 call were made public, or before he had read the public release (by the media) of what was allegedly recorded on that 000 call that was plastered on the front page of the Saturday Daily Tele today.

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'Alleged murders of Jesse Baird and Luke Davies cast sombre shadow over Sydney Mardi Gras parade

By Isobel Roe
Posted 4h ago
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Should have responded faster to triple-0 call?

A week after police allege Mr Baird and Mr Davies were killed, NSW Police revealed a triple-0 call had been made from Mr Davies's phone.

It was four minutes after gun shots are alleged to have been fired inside the Paddington terrace home.

Police say the call disconnected before anyone spoke to the operator, and they don't know who placed the call.

Australia's triple-0 service has new Advanced Mobile Location (AML) technology, which is meant to help police track the location of the mobile making the call.

The service's website said the technology was "capable of providing a caller's location within a five-metre radius outdoors and a 25-metre radius indoors".

NSW Police said they did send a car to Paddington, as per protocol, but officers were not able to trace the exact location.

Police have access to the address a mobile phone is registered to, and so they said officers went to check Mr Davies's home in Waterloo in inner Sydney, but saw nothing of concern.

Dr Hurley said the technology was not perfect, and it was hard to say whether NSW Police could have done more to find the pair.

"It would really depend on what the triple-0 call had in it. It may not necessarily raise concerns that this was a shooting or something similar," he said.

"So you'd have to listen to the triple-0 call to make some type of determination."
 

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I can see that the NSW Police being sued by the families
Maybe they'll just quietly try and negotiate payouts with various family members to avoid even more adverse publicity.

Given that there are potentially at least two ex-NSW Police Employees as close family members of Jesse Baird, in line for any payouts,
the conflicts of interest (actual, potential or perceived) will have to be dealt with (managed) by NSW Police.


 
The article was posted 4 hours ago. I'd trust the ABC more than the the Daily Mail or Daily Telegraph to get the details correct & update information.
I trust that the ABC did not get their hands on a copy of the reported facts sheet of the Police charges against the accused.
As I would thought that leaking/providing of things like this to Government owned media outlets because it is likely much harder or near impossible to protect the sources of the leak/providing of documents to journalists when it comes to Government entities.

And IMO, much more likely that employees of a Government entity like the Australian ABC will publicly out the source of any leak or handing over of info, than an worker in a Commercial media outlet.
 
I trust that the ABC did not get their hands on a copy of the reported facts sheet of the Police charges against the accused.
As I would thought that leaking/providing of things like this to Government owned media outlets because it is likely much harder or near impossible to protect the sources of the leak/providing of documents to journalists when it comes to Government entities.

And IMO, much more likely that employees of a Government entity like the Australian ABC will publicly out the source of any leak or handing over of info, than an worker in a Commercial media outlet.
I'm not referring to anything related to or reported on regarding police protocols or proceedings.

I'm referring to bits of information which contradicts what has been reported, exaggerations, inaccuracies with timelines, headline grabbing quotes such as 'get out, fk off', reporting that the triple 0 call came 15 minutes after last shot, LC leaving Jesse's house at 9.20pm on the Monday night of the murders via an Uber type of information, the housemates feeling something 'lumpy', including the beetroot reference for blood. Unnecessary. Insensitive. Irrelevant. Headline grabbing.

Most people are aware of the tabloid, sensationalism type reporting from the DM & DT.
 
Not surprising with the amount of information being released, and where you can take some of what you read with a grain of salt.. but I fear for how this may all affect the case if it goes to trial.
I’m not sure that all these conflicting details have much bearing on the actual nuts and bolts of what actually transpired. There’s no doubt BLC took the lives of two people. What I have noticed is comments such as “I’m floating in a dam. I’m me but I’m not me. I’ve got to sort this mess out.”

Is he going to plead diminished responsibility due to a mental episode?
 
I’m not sure that all these conflicting details have much bearing on the actual nuts and bolts of what actually transpired. There’s no doubt BLC took the lives of two people. What I have noticed is comments such as “I’m floating in a dam. I’m me but I’m not me. I’ve got to sort this mess out.”

Is he going to plead diminished responsibility due to a mental episode?
My bet is he will try and place blame on a psychotic episode which they'll test him for. If he is deemed to be mentally ill, it's possible he could be placed in a mental institution indefinitely.

Take the old crows coach Phil Walsh for example, his son stabbed him dozens of times while he slept. Got sent to a mental institution after it was found he was schitzophrenic. Pretty sure not long after he was able to have unsupervised day trips into Adelaide until recently.

Difference between the two is obviously LC was sane enough to attempt to cover his tracks and try and get away with it. I don't think someone who is completely unhinged and not with it would do that.

He wanted to become an actor. Possibly he knew he was going to get caught, so he tried acting like he was having a mental episode, but was actually completely coherent.
 
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I’m not sure that all these conflicting details have much bearing on the actual nuts and bolts of what actually transpired. There’s no doubt BLC took the lives of two people. What I have noticed is comments such as “I’m floating in a dam. I’m me but I’m not me. I’ve got to sort this mess out.”

Is he going to plead diminished responsibility due to a mental episode?
I agree it doesn't have any bearing on what transpired. I was just responding to those who were querying the conflicting info coming from all the different news outlets. The DM & DT are well known to be tabloid publications & not known for their accurate & responsible journalism 😉 and wouldn't think twice about reporting something inaccurate, headline grabbing & prejudicial to the case.

If the conversations he had with others are accurate, it looks like his lawyer could plead some type of temporary insanity, psychotic episode, delusional etc, triggered by a traumatic event. I'm sure his lawyer will go down that path. Although everything prior to the murders, specifically of Jesse, points to it being calculated & premeditated.
 
I'm not referring to anything related to or reported on regarding police protocols or proceedings.

I'm referring to bits of information which contradicts what has been reported, exaggerations, inaccuracies with timelines, headline grabbing quotes such as 'get out, fk off', reporting that the triple 0 call came 15 minutes after last shot, LC leaving Jesse's house at 9.20pm on the Monday night of the murders via an Uber type of information, the housemates feeling something 'lumpy', including the beetroot reference for blood. Unnecessary. Insensitive. Irrelevant. Headline grabbing.

Most people are aware of the tabloid, sensationalism type reporting from the DM & DT.
The Age today: also quotes the 'lumpy' comment so one can only think that it was a factual reporting of the contents of the housemates text.
It also says that the triple 000 call came 4mins after the first reported shot and before the second shots.

So there is a lot of confussion (?) across all media.

Normally I would concur with your statement about the ABC being more accurate but sadly in recent years with cutbacks to reporters on staff that is no longer the case.
Mistakes are made in their reporting because there is also less oversight too.
With the ABC report that I posted it is very possible that it was partialy re-written from previous reports and not rechecked against updated information released.
I would also say this because it came out 'afterhours' when there is an even more reduced staff level.
 
My bet is he will try and place blame on a psychotic episode which they'll test him for. If he is deemed to be mentally ill, it's possible he could be placed in a mental institution indefinitely.

Take the old crows coach Phil Walsh for example, his son stabbed him dozens of times while he slept. Got sent to a mental institution after it was found he was schitzophrenic. Pretty sure not long after he was able to have unsupervised day trips into Adelaide until recently.
But in that case the son was known to have mental issues before and leading up to the murder.
In this case it will be very hard to prove a psychotic episode out of the blue was the cause. he seemed to make 'rational' choices in purchasing equipment (Surfboard bags) twice, planning to get the gun on the Friday etc...all the while no one he was dealing with thought he was acting 'insane'.
His ramblings after the crime are of someone sleep deprived and losing it because of 'shock' "guilt' or emotional overload.
I think his lawyer would advise that a plea of temporary insanity will not wash considering he has been working up to this since Augaust last year.
It may seem 'insane' to us that he did it or that he was so obsessed to do it. He however by his actions before and after proved 'rational'.
 
it's possible he could be placed in a mental institution indefinitely.
What NSW mental institution would have tight enough security for an ex-Police Officer to be incarcerated in?

If they involuntarily. or voluntarily give him anti-psychotics soon, he might never be deemed as fit enough to appear in court, or legally defend himself.
 
But in that case the son was known to have mental issues before and leading up to the murder.
In this case it will be very hard to prove a psychotic episode out of the blue was the cause. he seemed to make 'rational' choices in purchasing equipment (Surfboard bags) twice, planning to get the gun on the Friday etc...all the while no one he was dealing with thought he was acting 'insane'.
His ramblings after the crime are of someone sleep deprived and losing it because of 'shock' "guilt' or emotional overload.
I think his lawyer would advise that a plea of temporary insanity will not wash considering he has been working up to this since Augaust last year.
It may seem 'insane' to us that he did it or that he was so obsessed to do it. He however by his actions before and after proved 'rational'.
Not necessarily..

What is a brief episode of psychosis?
Brief psychotic disorder is triggered by extreme stress, such as a traumatic accident or loss of a loved one. It is followed by a return to the previous level of function. The person may or may not be aware of the strange behavior. This condition most often affects people in their 20s, 30s, and 40s.


And his predatory & stalking behaviour leading up to Jesse's murder was definitely not rational. Many have suggested his obsession with celebrities was also not rational behaviour.
 
I agree it doesn't have any bearing on what transpired. I was just responding to those who were querying the conflicting info coming from all the different news outlets. The DM & DT are well known to be tabloid publications & not known for their accurate & responsible journalism 😉 and wouldn't think twice about reporting something inaccurate, headline grabbing & prejudicial to the case.

If the conversations he had with others are accurate, it looks like his lawyer could plead some type of temporary insanity, psychotic episode, delusional etc, triggered by a traumatic event. I'm sure his lawyer will go down that path. Although everything prior to the murders, specifically of Jesse, points to it being calculated & premeditated.
I don't think you can say;
"wouldn't think twice about reporting something inaccurate, headline grabbing & prejudicial to the case."
They may skirt close to the line but
1. There is a press oversight body that they have to answer to.
2. The papers themselves don't want to be sued.
3. The reporters themselves do have a code of ethics that they generally adhere to because they want to keep on being employed for one.

The tabaloid press may use click bait, they may skate pretty close on thin ice but accusing them of manifest dishonesty is drawing too long a bow here.
 

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