Murphy vs Brittain

[The Old Dark Navy's]

I am concerned about an article on Justin Murphy in Inside Football. He talks about hius falling out with Brittain in 1998 over an umpiring decision that the umpire later apologised for. Justin says that his relationship with Brittain wasn't the same after that. Then as soon as Brittain takes the reigns, he says Murphy doesn't fit into our game plan and he's out. I worry about egos like that on coaches. What part of Murphys style doesn't fit in? The long kicks? the frequent goal scoring? the strong marking? the constant running? the 30-40 possession games? Justin deserved better after breaking his leg in the 99 GF. I am so worried about the talent of this team going to waste over personality clashes.

I am in Qld. Some of you are in and around the club. What do you think?

 

[Kobe]

Murphy was a talented player with all the skills, but the number of times he gave the ball away or handpassed badly when under pressure, took away from the good work that he did...he was traded for the No 11 choice which was Trent Sporn.Maybe in a couple of years time when we can form an opinion of Sporn we can determine if Brittain was right.

 

[natmac67]

I must say I was more disappointed with the loss of Murphy than the loss of Hamill. Justin had really cemented a place in our team and proved to be consistent each week, can't say I remember too many bad plays from him, but then I didn't see him play each week either. I thought he went because of the salary cap issues, I'd rather think that than think we have power problems within the club.

------------------
Nat

 

[chattys_slut]

Yep, the excuse was salary cap reasons, but I'm concerned about Brittain too. I heard about the falling out, and it disturbed me too that as soon as Brittain comes in as senior coach, he makes a very bad decision, one that could come back to haunt us. I've also heard he wont be playing Ben Nelson much this year coz he doesn't think he'll fit in either. At least Parkin always gave everyone a go. Brittain's here to coach the team, not put us behind the 8 ball.

------------------
No-one else even try to compete-you can never beat the best.
GO BLUES.
2001-Time to Deliver.

 

[blues_brilliance]

Even so, the season hasn't started yet. Let's not form opinions on how Brittain will perform without Parko until the season starts.

Anyway, surely it wasn't just Britts who made the decision...

 

[Silvagnis]

*bump*

I am concerned about an article on Justin Murphy in Inside Football. He talks about hius falling out with Brittain in 1998 over an umpiring decision that the umpire later apologised for. Justin says that his relationship with Brittain wasn't the same after that. Then as soon as Brittain takes the reigns, he says Murphy doesn't fit into our game plan and he's out. I worry about egos like that on coaches. What part of Murphys style doesn't fit in? The long kicks? the frequent goal scoring? the strong marking? the constant running? the 30-40 possession games? Justin deserved better after breaking his leg in the 99 GF. I am so worried about the talent of this team going to waste over personality clashes.

I am in Qld. Some of you are in and around the club. What do you think?

Wow!

Hopefully someone puts this in their autobiography so we can all read about this falling out between the player and the coach.

I hear Brittain is the best of mates with all the players at Carlton.

A good coach and people manager shouldn't write off a good player due to injury.

Nor should he say he doesn't fit into a team's game plan because he's half the player he once was.

Thank God we don't have many big egos at Carlton and Murphy stayed a Bluebagger.

Who knows how low we could go if Carlton was run by people with big opinions of themselves?

 

[DaveyBlues]

i was too young too really remember, but Brittain sounds like a tool. I read after the 2002 season he sacked Fev, then the same day he was replaced by Pagan who reinstated Fev. Probably old news to you all, i just found that out recently.

 

[MBIB]

I was actually a fan of Brittain, well in the way that I think he was lumped with a not terrific list, did the job and then was shafted in a horrible fashion.
BUT I had not heard about this with Murph (6 years late so I see!) and am disappointed to hear so. Always a big Murph fan, loved those long running goals.

 

[Blue Dimension]

ODN, funny how what you said many years ago turned out to be true in Pagan's case. Few liked him because of his ego/attitude and look what happened to us. No improvement under his rein as coach, lingering down the bottom of the ladder for years.

Our team was a mess. Shows the importance of working together.

 

[JavaBlue]

ODN, funny how what you said many years ago turned out to be true in Pagan's case. Few liked him because of his ego/attitude and look what happened to us. No improvement under his rein as coach, lingering down the bottom of the ladder for years.

Our team was a mess. Shows the importance of working together.

Even more interesting was that ODN was a big defender of Pagan and didn't mind bagging players to defend him.

 

[Silvagnis]

It shows our EVERYONE is to blame for the past six years and not one man who happened to be coach.

Brittain is spoken of as a wronged coach because he was sacked after we won our spoon and two more spoons after that. Yet he wasn't up to it, fell out with a senior player who did well at Essendon and Geelong, tried to cut Fev and failed at Richmond when they won a spoon.

Murphy and Massie shouldn't have been traded when they were Carlton men and part of the club.

McKernan, Eccles, Smith, Gallagher, Mansfield and O'Reilly should never have been given the chance to wear a Carlton jumper. Kernahan was still in charge of the footy department when we brought in duds like Johnson, Clarke, Harford, Morrell, Teague, McGrath, Mclaren, Ackland, Chambers and Longmuir.

Yet according to Kouta, all the blame rests with Pagan, not Sticks and Brittain who we all know did some diabolical trades in their time.

Has anyone read Kouta's book?

Did Kouta comment on Brittain's fallout with Murphy and his mate Kernahan's pathetic performance as Football Manager?

Lappin showed more class and brains than Koutoufides and Camporeale with his comments on Pagan's rein because he didn't take any cheapshots in the press.

I wanted Pagan gone last year, but the past six years can't all be attributed to his short comings when he inherited a poisoned chalice on Black Friday. Carlton was full of big heads, big contracts and big red who let down the club with his refusal to stay in shape.

Thank God they're all gone and we can forward without them.

 

[The Old Dark Navy's]

Even more interesting was that ODN was a big defender of Pagan and didn't mind bagging players to defend him.

Interesting in your mind only I think.

You will find each case is taken in isolation with me. No agendas being pushed.

I wrote a lengthy post on TBV about 18 months later where I took Murphy to task over his attitude.

If you care to re-read the opening post, I only addressed points made and Brittain did say that Murphy didn't fit into our game plan. Didn't Brittain get Murphy back the following year? Kind of shows he thought he made an error in judgement don't you think? Kind of validates my concern at the time, don't you think? As it turns out, getting Murphy back wasn't the best move but Britts saw fit to reverse his initial decision.

I used to think you were laid back, but it seems that you hang on to the most frivilous things in order to have a bitter kick way down the track. Says more about you than me because I have no idea what you are talking about without doing a search and rattling the old head cage.

Maybe I need to bookmark every thread where someone has a shot, in case it comes back again a couple of years later. Seems to be the thing to do.

 

[The Old Dark Navy's]

I wanted Pagan gone last year, but the past six years can't all be attributed to his short comings when he inherited a poisoned chalice on Black Friday. Carlton was full of big heads, big contracts and big red who let down the club with his refusal to stay in shape.

Thank God they're all gone and we can forward without them.

Thank God indeed. It really does seem that Pagan was hated when he walked in the door and when he got rid of dissenters as Kouta pointed out, it would have become worse.

The fact is he was walking into a wooden spoon side that was about to lose the rest of its veterans and had no draft picks. There was no way that consultative methods with the players was going to work in that environment.

Pagan obviously didn't help because he became too inflexible and grumpy and dismissive. The players were upset because the coach wouldn't listen to them and the coach was upset because the players would not listen to him.

The players follow instructions first and foremost. Do this 100%, earn credit with the coach and then maybe the coach will take onboard what you say. Did this happen? Not sure, but yes this environment had been poisonous for a long time.

 

[AlecDuncan]

I've never thought Murphy got enough credit for the work he was trying to do in the 99 GF. He was the only one who looked like sparking something North wasn't prepared for. Once he snapped his knee we were stuffed.

We all know he ended up a soft outside receiver with no defensive side, but when he was good, he was very good. I was very disappointed when Brittain dumped him - I thought it showed a complete lack of loyalty to someone who didn't deserve to be treated that way. But then Brittain was a total bonehead when it came to list management.

 

[Kmasn]

Murphy was a talented player with all the skills, but the number of times he gave the ball away or handpassed badly when under pressure, took away from the good work that he did...he was traded for the No 11 choice which was Trent Sporn.Maybe in a couple of years time when we can form an opinion of Sporn we can determine if Brittain was right.

we all know now sporn was not a good draft choice at all, and whats worse is the pick we traded to geelong to get murphy back ended up being used on steve johnson, whos had his troubles but is a damn good player.

the whole situation was a massive stuff up by us, and it wasnt an isolated case at the time, goes to show why we were so crap for so long. at least now we seem to have the right people in charge and we're now building a team and club, not a list

 

[OZBomb]

I've just about finished Kouta's book and he really skims over everything, including who's to blame for our problems. Even if there where space restraints, it's no excuse for glossing over a lot of stuff that he did.

I still think his criticism of Pagan is spot on, but it would have had a lot more credibility if the other issues where atleast mentioned.

As for Murphy, there are reasons why he was traded so many times.

 

[Silvagnis]

We should have traded Campo instead of Murphy if being a soft receiver is a hanging offence.

Both of them ended up at Essendon, but I remember Murphy showing more anger at Silvagni getting cleaned up by Milburn than Kouta and Camporeale.

Those two players and Whitnall are two of the worst leaders Carlton's had.

 

[OZBomb]

We should have traded Campo instead of Murphy if being a soft receiver is a hanging offence.

Both of them ended up at Essendon, but I remember Murphy showing more anger at Silvagni getting cleaned up by Milburn than Kouta and Camporeale.

Those two players and Whitnall are two of the worst leaders Carlton's had.

Wouldn't disagree with that.

I think there where some personal issues involved with Murphy. I've only heard rumour and innuendo and I don't want to slander the bloke, because I don't know anything for sure.

 

[Jock]

Murphy was good when going but was pretty much a down hill skier.
When we were winning he was flying and when we were getting done he was always missing in action. When he went to Geelong I was rapt and wish he had have stayed there.

 

[HBF]

Re: *bump*

Wow!

Hopefully someone puts this in their autobiography so we can all read about this falling out between the player and the coach.

I hear Brittain is the best of mates with all the players at Carlton.

A good coach and people manager shouldn't write off a good player due to injury.

Nor should he say he doesn't fit into a team's game plan because he's half the player he once was.

Thank God we don't have many big egos at Carlton and Murphy stayed a Bluebagger.

Who knows how low we could go if Carlton was run by people with big opinions of themselves?

That is a fair old bump TG, but given the events of recent weeks, I can see where you are coming from. Although, I would add that when a new coach does come in, i'm sure there are players not considered part of the future. In this case, it was Murphy.

 

[C4[2]Yo`DooR]

Re: *bump*

I can't beleive we got Pick #11 in 2001 for Murphy ... and then proceeded to waste it on Sporn ...