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The fact players are playing this weekend says otherwise. The AFL say otherwise.
This isn't hard to work out - surely.
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This isn't hard to work out - surely.
ASADA only issue ADRV's at the completion of an investigation. The investigation is ongoing. AFL act on ADRV's from ASADA.
Who looks stupid?
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The AFL have it in writing. Andrew Dillon mentioned it the other night.
Take it up with them IanW.
As I said, qualified google lawyers are hard to find so I'm sure they will appreciate your input.
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You've said a lot more than that. You're the clown who said the whole thing would wrap up in February. How's that prediction looking? Didn't you make another one, that no one would stand down? Ooh, wrong again.
There cannot be an infraction notices handed out until the investigation and report are complete. Privacy laws dictate that ASADA cannot name specific players in an interim report therefore they cannot pass the info on to the relevant body that would issue infraction notices. It is not that hard to comprehend.
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The fact players are playing this weekend says otherwise. The AFL say otherwise.
This isn't hard to work out - surely.
Did you miss the part about it being an interim report and no names listed?
Oh, gosh. Andrew Dillon said that. My beating heart.
And that matched against WADA specifically saying it's banned.
And someone else, possibly Andrew Dillion saying "The AFL notes that the investigation into Essendon’s 2011/2012 supplements program by ASADA and the AFL remains open and could lead to further charges under AFL Rules against other individuals."
You do know that AOD-9604 is only one of the banned, not legal in Australia, experimental, or not suitable for use on humans drugs that Essendon Football Club decided to use on it's players ? And that the current set of charges *arent* under the AFL Anti-Doping Code ? And that therefore those - including those related to the acute lack of written records - can and will follow.
Who was the coach of Geelong at the time ?
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Don't think this issue has anything to do with Essendon players being banned. More the Essendon administration's inability to specifiy what they had their players injected with. Which is astonishing enough in itself.
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Exactly. It's not believable. Much more believable that the guy who bought the drugs, bought them with the intention of bringing them to the shonky clinic. Dank and his quack associate put the order in, and someone delivered.
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I think Lance had an epiphany a few days ago. And yes, he has been quite reasonable lately.
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Hey guys a mysterious bottle of some substance has landed on my door what should I do with it?
A) Inject it into my blood stream
B) Claim it was just some sugar from Mexico
C) I am shocked to be here injecting it
D) Have nothing to do with it?
A) Inject it into my blood stream
B) Claim it was just some sugar from Mexico
C) I am shocked to be here injecting it
D) Have nothing to do with it?
According to Robinson, Hird asked him for someone with expertise in supplements and Robinson said Dank. And the three who interviewed Dank was Hird, Corcoran and Robinson. Hird was the one who wrote the memo, clearly placing himself in charge of the program. It was Hird the players went to voice their concerns about the program. Hird, Hird, Hird.
I think he was fairly central to it.
If Hird goes down (whether its kicking and screaming or not) then maybe you are right.
I'd suggest that there will continue to be a 'lack of evidence' if ASADA feels a strong enough message has been sent to preserve their authority.
If not, I'd suggest the players are in trouble.
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Ok Ive been through the last 4 or 5 pages and cleaned this up a bit.
I cannot stress this enough: report trolls, dont respond to them or you risk being banned yourself.
I cannot stress this enough: report trolls, dont respond to them or you risk being banned yourself.
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lol, learn about how the ASADA process works.
http://www.asada.gov.au/rules_and_violations/process.html
when the investigation is completed, ASADA compiles all the evidence and information and passes it along to the ADRV (anti-doping rule violation panel), a body that's independent from ASADA, who then decides whether a player has possibly committed a violation and enters them into the register of findings (ROF). ONLY when a player has been entered into the ROF can they be issued with an infraction notice.
considering the ASADA investigation is ongoing and they haven't yet reached a point where the evidence has even been presented to the ADRV... there is absolutely no chance that any player would be entered into the ROF or issued with an infraction notice at this point.
that information will ONLY be passed onto the AFL when the investigation has been concluded.
sure essendon may be taking the field this weekend, but they're playing on borrowed time.
These Essendon supporters have no idea about the process nor the legal restrictions surrounding an interim report.
The interim report was a concession to the AFL to allow them go and do what they needed to do before seasons end. They have pretty much left building in terms of any further participation with ASADA now. ASADA are now left to their confidential sources to try and take the investigation from a mass use of PEDs or non approved substances to a more refined level of who took what. The AFL was never going to be allowed to be involved in this part of the investigation because it had no statutory authority to be involved in this level information gathering and techniques used to gather it.
Coenzyme q -10 which is what was in the 'mysterious bottle" is a common WADA compliant supplement. This is yet another beat-up. Mystery mystery, scandal scandal, outrage, outrage......
Those who want to be objective in this matter will bear in mind that no Essendon player tested positive to banned drugs throughout last year's regular testing and that no allegation that players took masking agents have been made.
Those who want to be objective in this matter will bear in mind that no Essendon player tested positive to banned drugs throughout last year's regular testing and that no allegation that players took masking agents have been made.
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how come you know what the substance is but essendon don't? the "outrage, outrage" isn't about whether it's banned or not, it's about organisational incompetence.
also not testing positive doesn't really say much considering the drugs being taken.
Source?
Am I the only one starting to think they're making these stories up as they go along? I actually laughed when I saw this headline. We have officially entered the theater of the absurd.
*reaches for popcorn*
*reaches for popcorn*
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