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SpaceClef said:
Being an illegal substance, I can't see many researchers being funded to do a clinical trial on its effects on performance in a game of football.

However, a quick google shows a controlled trial by Chandler and Blair (1980) that found modest amphetamine use could improve aspects of athletic performance:



Not crystal meth per se, but still amphetamines, and I'd imagine a similar physiological response. Increased time to exhaustion and the ability to mask fatigue would surely assist training during the pre-season, even if Cousins never used it on match day.

Meth is also banned by WADA https://wada-main-prod.s3.amazonaws.com/resources/files/wada-2015-prohibited-list-en.pdf (see page 8) so there must be some basis to it.
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They can probably look at the papers done around world war 2 and extrapolate well enough to a football game. Pretty much everyone juiced their troops up with amphetamines of one sort or another. Google up pervitin.
 

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RookiePick said:
They can probably look at the papers done around world war 2 and extrapolate well enough to a football game. Pretty much everyone juiced their troops up with amphetamines of one sort or another. Google up pervitin.
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Yeah totally, but I tried to find something closely related enough to sport otherwise Masto would have rebutted.

There's also the boxer who died during a fight apparently after taking meth, because his body didn't 'realise' how ****ed up it was getting. Whereas normal bodies would have pulled the pin earlier and gone into self-preservation mode. mindhacks.com/2013/06/01/crystal-history
 
In Simpsons press conference did it sound like we were just waiting for Darling to get his fitness back?
 
eagles_4_life said:
He did? I read it but don't remember that
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One of the players tested positive (4 eagles tested) - Benny was sure it was him, but the club didnt find out names at that time, just that a player tested positive.

I believe they got a second test and he flushed his system FULLY

Ill try and find the page number for you!
 
Chris_6678 said:
Lucas is more ready made in that he is fitter than Newman and has played more games. We need a mid that is capable of going forward to kick goals and that is exactly what Newman offers and i hope he can get a solid run in the WAFL to prepare him for a return back to back AFL.
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Lucas is ready made, much in the same way that my poo is food that has already been digested and is sitting in the toilet at present. I know what I can expect from it, which is poo.
 
SpaceClef said:
Being an illegal substance, I can't see many researchers being funded to do a clinical trial on its effects on performance in a game of football.

However, a quick google shows a controlled trial by Chandler and Blair (1980) that found modest amphetamine use could improve aspects of athletic performance:

Not crystal meth per se, but still amphetamines, and I'd imagine a similar physiological response. Increased time to exhaustion and the ability to mask fatigue would surely assist training during the pre-season, even if Cousins never used it on match day.

Meth is also banned by WADA https://wada-main-prod.s3.amazonaws.com/resources/files/wada-2015-prohibited-list-en.pdf (see page 8) so there must be some basis to it.
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If you read the trial you will see the drugs were administered two hours before they were tested. It provides a short term effect but no long term effect. That's why they are banned on game day. Again, Cousins never tested positive on gameday.
 
thorne89 said:
Lucas is ready made, much in the same way that my poo is food that has already been digested and is sitting in the toilet at present. I know what I can expect from it, which is poo.
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Yeah Poo!
 

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SloppyJoe said:
Are both Newman and Lucas going to play against Freo? It seems they are head to head for the last spot on the senior list. Unless I'm missing someone.

Lucas is probably ahead as he has played in the NAB Challenge already, whereas Newman has only had the one game for East Perth. But it seems to me we are in greater need of a small fwd than an outside runner.
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Can we put Waters on the LTI? thus having two rookies available.

As it stands Maginness can consider himself unlucky, i wouldn't elevate either Lucas or Newman unless we're considering playing them in the first few rounds.
 
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thorne89 said:
Lucas is ready made, much in the same way that my poo is food that has already been digested and is sitting in the toilet at present. I know what I can expect from it, which is poo.
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So your saying Lucas seems to float in and out of games ?
He needs a few runs at afl level and not just bomb away and get bogged down .
Lucas just needs some consistency in the 2's
 
nameless said:
You do realise the AFL has a completely different set of rules for recreational drugs, of which ice is one of them?

The AFL give 3 strikes before a player is sacked, Cousins received 0 strikes as far as we know.

He might have cheated the system, but he's not a drug cheat, as far as we know he never took performance enhancing drugs that were banned by ASADA.

So while there is an extreme difference in taking ice and taking a painkiller, the rules are pretty clear on which one is banned by anti-doping bodies and recognised as performance enhancing or a masking agent for performance enhancing drugs and the other which basically just destroys you.
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Not to mention amphetamines can make you quite jittery if you take enough (Cuz had bowls of cocaine at a time), which would hinder things like dropping the ball on the boot and other motor skills needed in footy.
 
Masto said:
If you read the trial you will see the drugs were administered two hours before they were tested. It provides a short term effect but no long term effect. That's why they are banned on game day. Again, Cousins never tested positive on gameday.
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I'm not really arguing that he used meth on game day, or that the drug can possibly stay in your system long enough to have a positive impact on game day. However, I think it's highly plausible that he used it while training (whether it was training solo, or training with the club), and the short terms benefits of the drug to improve his training would have positively impacted his performance come game day.
 
SpaceClef said:
I'm not really arguing that he used meth on game day, or that the drug can possibly stay in your system long enough to have a positive impact on game day. However, I think it's highly plausible that he used it while training (whether it was training solo, or training with the club), and the short terms benefits of the drug to improve his training would have positively impacted his performance come game day.
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SpaceClef - with you all the way on this one.

Do they impact your ability to work out harder in that 45 minutes a day?
Do they enable you to run further in training and build a tank faster?
Do they enable you to relieve the boredom of running laps enabling you to stay focussed longer?
Does that short term kick assist players in the off-season meaning they are fitter?

We simply do not know but there is enough doubt to say it is possible. Hence the benefit may well not be a pick me up on game day but an ability to get better in the off season.
 
nameless said:
You do realise the AFL has a completely different set of rules for recreational drugs, of which ice is one of them?

The AFL give 3 strikes before a player is sacked, Cousins received 0 strikes as far as we know.

He might have cheated the system, but he's not a drug cheat, as far as we know he never took performance enhancing drugs that were banned by ASADA.

So while there is an extreme difference in taking ice and taking a painkiller, the rules are pretty clear on which one is banned by anti-doping bodies and recognised as performance enhancing or a masking agent for performance enhancing drugs and the other which basically just destroys you.
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ummmmmm
The substances D-amphetamine and D-methamphetamine were detected in a sample ASADA collected in-competition from Mr Fiegert, following a 30 July 2011 match between Perth and South Fremantle at Brownes Stadium, Western Australia.

Under the World Anti-Doping Agency’s Prohibited List, D-amphetamine and D-methamphetamine are classified as stimulants and are prohibited in-competition.
Generally, stimulants act directly on the central nervous system to speed up parts of the brain and body. They can increase alertness and reduce fatigue in athletes.
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http://www.asada.gov.au/publications/media/media_releases/asada_release_120528_Joel_Fiegert_WAFL.pdf
 
nameless said:
News to me, I thought recreational drugs were part of the 3 strike policy...maybe that's just in the off-season or non gameday testing.
Guess it's a different story if you're caught with on game day.

Thanks.
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I think amphetamines and their derivatives are just flushed out of your system so quickly that it's unlikely to be picked up, unlike other drugs like weed which sits in your body for a month or so. Also, unlike weed and other drugs, meth and speed are in fact banned by WADA and ASADA as performance enhancing drugs, so in that regard they supersede the '3 strikes rule'.
 
nameless said:
News to me, I thought recreational drugs were part of the 3 strike policy...maybe that's just in the off-season or non gameday testing.
Guess it's a different story if you're caught with on game day.

Thanks.
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The 3 strikes policy is specific to AFL; certain recreational drugs if found in gameday tests are banned under the WADA/ASADA code so the AFL has to follow that policy. Different sport, but Wendell Sailor was banned because he had a recreational drug (cocaine, from memory) turn up in a gameday test - he wouldn't have been banned if it was an out-of-comp test.
 
Ok, I thought the AFL were being a bit lenient with the whole 3 strike thing, but it seems to relate more to testing outside of match day and over pre-season?

But if Cousins was taking Ice after the match, especially where there was an 8-day break so it'd be out of his system by match day, would he be banned by ASADA if caught on the Monday/Tuesday with traces of D-amphetamine and D-methamphetamine in his body, or would that just be a strike?
 

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