Nathan Buckley on Footy Classified tonight

[Cousin of Daicos]

Can't believe I missed this.

Gutted.

 

[Eddierules]

God he is a great media performer. Might not be overtly charismatic but comes across as a class act and always honest.

And funny to the remark he has full confidence in the A F L to sort it out had me in stitches

 

[Reykjavik]

I wouldn't say gone, I'd just say that Butters was weighing up his options. Sounds like his contract provides him with an option for an additional year, so who knows, maybe he'll elect to take it and Collingwood has to extend his contract, even if they were thinking of a change. In that case, he doesn't even need to forecast it, he could just act. So I don't think things are cast yet.

I think you are being wildly optimistic.

 

[Pie eyed]

Can't believe I missed this.

Gutted.

Here somewhere.

http://wwos.ninemsn.com.au/footyclassified/video

Enjoy.

 

[Lord Wilberforce]

I think you are being wildly optimistic.

Not saying he will stay or go. Just saying that the die is probably not cast yet.

Buckley knows that Butters and Mick are good mates, so will be naturally worried that he goes. Doesn't mean it's a certainty.

Didn't know we had so many body language experts!

 

[magpiewarrior]

Here somewhere.


Enjoy.

Thanks for the link Pie Eyed, a most enjoyable watch.

 

[bradrowe#32]

Loved his response to the Scarlett question.

 

[wednesdaywarrior]

The other thing (on the 'FIGJAM' stuff) we often forget when watching sports stars is that they often grow up! If we compare Bucks when he started as a cocky competitive kid to today's version they are two very different people. It's like (as a tennis fan) if I think about the difference between Andre Agassi when he started and finished his careers it was literally amazing how much he'd improved and developed himself as a person. Kind of inspiring in a way. Bucks has always had an intense drive for 'self-improvement' but people always associate that with his game and don't realise he actually wants to be and is a genuinely good person. Nearly everything he says is fitting, decent, pertinent etc. He will be a great role model for the younger blokes at the Club. As I have said before, the best Collingwood person since Bob Rose.The only question is whether he can become a good strategic coach because that in the end may be the telling factor. Not sure if he has the nous or creativity of a Blight, Clarkson, Longmire etc.

 

[TheGreatGrundy]

Loved his response to the Scarlett question.

That Scarlett's book belongs in the same section as 'Specky Magee', which caused Gary Lyon to wince a bit as Bucks went on to say it was of the same genre.

 

[Markfs]

Since when is Bieber charismatic. He is a little prick

well ask 5 million schoolgirls..i suppose you prefer vin diesel to coach us or dwayne johnson..

 

[Avatar]

haha, classic Caro. Yeah she spoke to Walsh but didn't believe what he said so then asked Bucks and won't believe him either.

 

[ColinMochrie]

How good is it that we can see the Collingwood coach on television and not have to cringe and sit through a 30 minute answer to the question "how is the weather today?". Bucks really owns the media and I love it!

 

[Magpie Girl]

Not saying he will stay or go. Just saying that the die is probably not cast yet.

Buckley knows that Butters and Mick are good mates, so will be naturally worried that he goes. Doesn't mean it's a certainty.

Didn't know we had so many body language experts!

Given the amount of time Mick was at Collingwood he's good mates with virtually every member of staff and so many of the players.

If they were all to consider leaving based on friendship then many might go.

However I'm sure many of these key people look at Bucks, and the man he is, and what he is building, and then at MM and the man he now is, (or appears to be) and think "who would I rather be working with?"

Some might go just because they feel they have done all they can - that's only natural - but I don't think we should assume that just because someone was friends with Mick they will go if asked.

 

[Lord Wilberforce]

Given the amount of time Mick was at Collingwood he's good mates with virtually every member of staff and so many of the players.

If they were all to consider leaving based on friendship then many might go.

However I'm sure many of these key people look at Bucks, and the man he is, and what he is building, and then at MM and the man he now is, (or appears to be) and think "who would I rather be working with?"

Some might go just because they feel they have done all they can - that's only natural - but I don't think we should assume that just because someone was friends with Mick they will go if asked.

Sorry, but isn't that what I'm trying to say?

 

[Reykjavik]

Not saying he will stay or go. Just saying that the die is probably not cast yet.

Buckley knows that Butters and Mick are good mates, so will be naturally worried that he goes. Doesn't mean it's a certainty.

Didn't know we had so many body language experts!

I'm not a body language expert. I do however through university and professional contacts know quite a few people in the sports medicine and sports science community. It is a pretty close knit community, and they all keep in contact and know who is into what etc, and the same message has been coming to me consistently for months from multiple independent sources with no obvious axe to grind.

Butters already signed at Carlton.

So for what it's worth, that is why I think he is gone, or at least him not going now would require a significant change in direction at the last minute. Hes not weighing up what to do, he is gone unless he chages his mind.

 

[Lord Wilberforce]

I'm not a body language expert. I do however through university and professional contacts know quite a few people in the sports medicine and sports science community. It is a pretty close knit community, and they all keep in contact and know who is into what etc, and the same message has been coming to me consistently for months from multiple independent sources with no obvious axe to grind.

Butters already signed at Carlton.

So for what it's worth, that is why I think he is gone, or at least him not going now would require a significant change in direction at the last minute. Hes not weighing up what to do, he is gone unless he chages his mind.

OK, if that's your mail, then maybe he is gone. I just don't think from Buckley's interview it was a clear cut as people are saying.

Given your contacts, who should we try and replace him with?

 

[Magpie Girl]

As DaVe86 said in the Rumour Thread - everyone was calling for his head a few months ago

 

[Kirby]

He's been there a long time and there's no harm in some fresh ideas coming aboard when we replace him.

He has been great for us but if he wants to go to the Blues then good luck to him and all the best.

 

[Reykjavik]

OK, if that's your mail, then maybe he is gone. I just don't think from Buckley's interview it was a clear cut as people are saying.

Given your contacts, who should we try and replace him with?

Buckley's interview didnt really say anything, which was in itself significant.

What I gathered from Buckley's interview was;

- Buckley refused to be drawn of Butters future.
- Buckley while not saying he is going categorically did not say he expected him to be there next year.
- Buckley did confirm he is uncontracted at the end of the season

But for the other information ive heard, I would still have found it odd. Think about it, we have someone who is apparently important, leads a large department, has a high standing in his industry, is seen as critical, and we have him soon to be uncontracted.

Forget football, you wouldnt allow that to occur in any industry. And he isnt a player, there arent the restrictions and added complications of salary cap and player movement rules.

My only deduction from that was that there was no renewal in place because Butters wasnt coming to the party. And frankly the most logical reason for that would not be money but wanting to go elsewhere. There is no suggestion he wants to change careers, or spend time with family etc. He is a sports scientist, it is a vocation for him not just a role.

It isnt probitive, but it fits with what I am hearing, and doesnt really fit another explanation well. And to me it was what Bucks didnt say that spoke the most.

As to who to go for, the current Carlton guy is supposed to be good, if he is shaken loose we could do worse, there is one in Super XV and one in League who have good wraps as well from the guys and gals Ive spoken to.

 

[dubber]

What about Dank?

 

[Old Spice]

Buckley's interview didnt really say anything, which was in itself significant.

What I gathered from Buckley's interview was;

- Buckley refused to be drawn of Butters future.
- Buckley while not saying he is going categorically did not say he expected him to be there next year.
- Buckley did confirm he is uncontracted at the end of the season

But for the other information ive heard, I would still have found it odd. Think about it, we have someone who is apparently important, leads a large department, has a high standing in his industry, is seen as critical, and we have him soon to be uncontracted.

Forget football, you wouldnt allow that to occur in any industry. And he isnt a player, there arent the restrictions and added complications of salary cap and player movement rules.

My only deduction from that was that there was no renewal in place because Butters wasnt coming to the party. And frankly the most logical reason for that would not be money but wanting to go elsewhere. There is no suggestion he wants to change careers, or spend time with family etc. He is a sports scientist, it is a vocation for him not just a role.

It isnt probitive, but it fits with what I am hearing, and doesnt really fit another explanation well. And to me it was what Bucks didnt say that spoke the most.

As to who to go for, the current Carlton guy is supposed to be good, if he is shaken loose we could do worse, there is one in Super XV and one in League who have good wraps as well from the guys and gals Ive spoken to.

Interesting.

I reckon if we wanted Butters to stay, he would stay. We could certainly match any offer from Carlton and I doubt he has any poisonous relationship which would see him leave.

It's possible we have someone of commensurable or better quality waiting in the wings.

 

[loki04]

That Scarlett's book belongs in the same section as 'Specky Magee', which caused Gary Lyon to wince a bit as Bucks went on to say it was of the same genre.

What else is Buckley going to say about a friend, ex team mate who he gave his number and put forward for captain and now who he coaches?

It was ridiculous question that would only ever get 1 response.

 

[Reykjavik]

Interesting.

I reckon if we wanted Butters to stay, he would stay. We could certainly match any offer from Carlton and I doubt he has any poisonous relationship which would see him leave.

It's possible we have someone of commensurable or better quality waiting in the wings.

I would be surprised if there isnt a folder in Pert's office with at least three names in it of the people you would get in this situation, and we have had preliminary talks with all of them. Even if Butters ends up staying, if we dont know that for sure now we would have had to start the ball rolling because anyone we would need to get from outside would be on a contract with long get out notice periods.

First task for anyone in a senior exec role in any organsiation, is to make sure either someone in your own organisation is trained and capable of stepping into the role when you go, and or you have told your employer who you would get from outside in those circumstances. It's not just because people leave to go elsewhere, they get literally or figuratively hit by a bus all the time.

 

[Reykjavik]

What about Dank?

He will be too busy with his other jobs, appearing on Today Tonight and writing his tell all book.

 

[Bring_Back_Brad]

If we make the granny, Bux has no problems making the hard decisions.

He'll Kickett out whoever, no matter what they Dids before.

How much can a koala bear?