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Neutral Supporters; Are you comfortably satisfied?
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yes, yes, yes they can all rot in hell
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Got a leg up on the competition ... you don't remember their start in 2012 before it all went horribly wrong?
Who they beat?
One of them destroyed Carazzo's shoulder took two years off his career.
But ok they paid enough for it.
I suppose I am bitter simply because the AFL has tried and succeeded in putting dollars before integrity too many times, this great game has suffered enormously from this scandal and we will see it in years to come but the culprits, in my eyes, have not been punished accordingly.
Players may have been "duped" but I refuse to believe that they were not administered banned drugs and I refuse to believe they should not be punished for sheer stupidity alone.
I love this game but this whole episode has taken a lot of that enjoyment away.
And what we have left is a bunch of sanctimonious EFC supporters.
Cry me a river right ..... enjoy it EFC we will all reap what you have sown.
I realize it is difficult for you to understand but the tribunal conformed nothing. They did not confirm that there was no cheating. They made some pretty damning statements about your club. Show us where they said they had conformed they were all clean.
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I'm not sure there is too much for them to be sanctimonious about to be honest.
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Jones and Henwood are AFL old scholars. Hopefully Nixon barracks for someone other than Essendon.
I personally don't think the old school tie or whatever you are alluding to would turn judges over for a game of footy.
But this is what generally happens when things don't go your way, conspiracy theories surface.
I have a stack of my own , but i do realise that is exactly what they are.
Sometimes the more you know you more you realise you know SFA
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Jones played a couple of games in the reserves in the early 80s. hes been a county court judge for over 20 years in the following years. Henwood isnt a judge at all, although he is on the tribunal, last played in 92, and barely in Melbourne at all.
Everything other than TB4.
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henwood was never a county court judge.
Wayne Henwood is not a judge, he's a barrister - you know, like Tom Percy, or perhaps Lloyd Rayney.
, your funny, i am sure Lloyd Rainey and Tom Percy would have let them off, but only if it was a Horse Trainer or musician for Tom, or a wife killer for Lloyd.Perhaps Tom would have let them off if they played for East Perth ..... ( i think that's who he barracks for )
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Ah well - que sera sera. Good luck to the players - I'll now just enjoy Paddy Ryder's and Angus Monfries's days of freedom, starting this Sunday against your lot
Ah well - que sera sera. Good luck to the players - I'll now just enjoy Paddy Ryder's and Angus Monfries's days of freedom, starting this Sunday against your lot
No his lot play Saturday arvo in Sydney.
So apparently they're not all judges.
Do you see why people get upset when they see that AFL employees are part of an 'independent' AFL Tribunal?
If you've been part of the AFL system, how do you know you're being totally unbiased? When an issue is a close call and you know your decision could affect those in the system you've been part of for years, can you be sure you're seeing it impartially? I think it's wrong to put pressure on AFL employees to make that call.
Dank: "Look guys, I intended to inject you with Tb4, and from what the tribunal has found, is that it possible I did. However, they cannot be satisfied that I actually did, even though they have ruled out all the legal drugs being injected, or the fact I injected most of you guys for nearly 6 months. So, you probably did get injected with TB4, but let's just go with the tribunal and say 'Who knows?' "
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God I hope so.
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Think the feelings of most neutral supporters are summed up in this article by Peter Fitzsimmons:
"None of the injections with unknown products EVER happened? The whole thing was a media concoction, yes, with the help of ASADA, and the Gillard government, and probably Gillard herself, and the whole thing just goes to show how the whole lot of us should go and get nicked?
Such is the tenor of much of the reaction to the news on Tuesday that the AFL anti-doping tribunal has decided overturn the suspensions of 34 past and present Essendon players. To hear their supporters tell it – in missives not always written in crayon – it just goes to show how Essendon was innocent all along and as a matter of fact weren't even there on the night, instead choosing to visit their Auntie Ethel down on St Kilda Boulevard!
Please. Oh people, my people, can we get a grip here?
The first and most obvious thing to note is this was not a decision handed down by the High Court of Australia. It was, instead, the AFL's own tribunal finding that the AFL didn't in fact have the colossal problem it would have had, if they had come up with any other decision.
This is not to impugn the integrity of those who sit on the tribunal, but to observe that it is a quasi-judicial body set up by the AFL itself, not the full monty with a high bench, horse-hair and three gavels. Whereas the likes of New Zealand and Great Britain have fully funded independent judicial bodies with full judicial powers, populated by specialists in sports law, this was not that.
For a start, the tribunal couldn't get the man doing the injecting, Stephen Dank, to testify and that gentleman – despite suddenly emerging since Tuesday with enough holier-than-thou protestations to kill a brown dog – is yet to testify in any forum.
Further, that decision, when handed down was not of the "not guilty" variety, it was of the "insufficient evidence" nature. As in, there is insufficient evidence that the players had taken, most particularly the dangerous not fit-for-humans performance enhancing drug thymosin beta-4."
http://www.canberratimes.com.au/spo...sendon-remains-a-mystery-20150401-1mcz1t.html
"None of the injections with unknown products EVER happened? The whole thing was a media concoction, yes, with the help of ASADA, and the Gillard government, and probably Gillard herself, and the whole thing just goes to show how the whole lot of us should go and get nicked?
Such is the tenor of much of the reaction to the news on Tuesday that the AFL anti-doping tribunal has decided overturn the suspensions of 34 past and present Essendon players. To hear their supporters tell it – in missives not always written in crayon – it just goes to show how Essendon was innocent all along and as a matter of fact weren't even there on the night, instead choosing to visit their Auntie Ethel down on St Kilda Boulevard!
Please. Oh people, my people, can we get a grip here?
The first and most obvious thing to note is this was not a decision handed down by the High Court of Australia. It was, instead, the AFL's own tribunal finding that the AFL didn't in fact have the colossal problem it would have had, if they had come up with any other decision.
This is not to impugn the integrity of those who sit on the tribunal, but to observe that it is a quasi-judicial body set up by the AFL itself, not the full monty with a high bench, horse-hair and three gavels. Whereas the likes of New Zealand and Great Britain have fully funded independent judicial bodies with full judicial powers, populated by specialists in sports law, this was not that.
For a start, the tribunal couldn't get the man doing the injecting, Stephen Dank, to testify and that gentleman – despite suddenly emerging since Tuesday with enough holier-than-thou protestations to kill a brown dog – is yet to testify in any forum.
Further, that decision, when handed down was not of the "not guilty" variety, it was of the "insufficient evidence" nature. As in, there is insufficient evidence that the players had taken, most particularly the dangerous not fit-for-humans performance enhancing drug thymosin beta-4."
http://www.canberratimes.com.au/spo...sendon-remains-a-mystery-20150401-1mcz1t.html
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3 independent men? 2 of them had past AFL/AF connections.
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I'm comfortably satisfied that efc have dodged a bullet .
I'm comfortably satisfied that the AFL got the result it wanted.
From the moment they tipped off * that the Asada are going to pay you a visit, the whole affair has been a total sham.
The same way Melbourne tanked, but didn't tank is the same as * juiced their players but, didn't according to the AFL.
Sweep it under the rug and people will slowly forget. It's just a crying shame there isn't a GENUINE journalist out there who wouldn't have to dig too deep to find what lays under the pile of rotten garbage the AFL has left.
From the moment they tipped off * that the Asada are going to pay you a visit, the whole affair has been a total sham.
The same way Melbourne tanked, but didn't tank is the same as * juiced their players but, didn't according to the AFL.
Sweep it under the rug and people will slowly forget. It's just a crying shame there isn't a GENUINE journalist out there who wouldn't have to dig too deep to find what lays under the pile of rotten garbage the AFL has left.
