I would call the $600 mill aid/security funding. Very different purpose
New Brisbane Stadium (2032 Olympics)
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I still predict that the 2032 Olympics wont be held in Brisbane over money issues.
Watch this space
You didn't answer the question !!
In what way is rl aid ?
In what way is rl security ?
In EVERY way it's pure indulgence.
How does "soft diplomacy" provide anything in the way of aid or security ?
How doesn't "soft diplomacy" not detract from the "larger package." ?
Rugby league is massive in png.
The Australian (and nz) government wants to be the country the Pacific goes to for help, and not to go to China. That's the general aim of the package, and is why they are plating a game there today. The government also sponsors the fiji dura in the super rugby for the same reason.
The general aim of this of this package is to invest in the general cultural events such as going to the footy which would inevitably lead to employment opportunities for the people of png.
The proposal is to elevate the Gabba so it's literally over the road. Not ideal, but the location is absolute gold.
Look, I don't know whether the Government is sending $600m to PNG solely for rugby or not, but the reality is that China has made a massive play for power in Pacific, and one way it has done it is through funding sport.
So should we be funding Australian football throughout the pacific then ?
Saying that multiple times doesn't make it happen.
What is the cost of not having the Olympics ?
Whether it's AFL, rugby, whatever, I have no idea.
Why not the world game then ?
I would think that the general population across the Pacific would much prefer real aid.
I would think that the goverments across the Pacific would much prefer real aid and real security.
Bread and circuses have been popular since time immemorial. Besides, AusAid do a heap of work in the humanitarian sector across the Pacific, including PNG.
Locals generally aren't all that keen on white man coming in and imposing law on a cultural that they don't understand.
If the afl was popular enough to assist in the soft diplomacy purpose then yes. The rugby codes are hands down the most popular so it's fair that those codes are being supported
How is this the last relevant post in this thread?
I can't see it being abandoned, would be such a horrible image
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AFL, Cricket Australia and Queensland Cricket will be the primary beneficiaries of a new build high capacity stadium in Brisbane long after the 16 day, five ring circus has left town. If they demand a new stadium, then they pay their share. Simple.
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I don't have a problem with a new build or an upgraded QSAC, but why on Earth is it projected to cost $3.6 billion to build a new stadium at Victoria Park (Which has a railway station and a freeway literally next door)? We are talking about twice as much to build just the stadium as what Perth's stadium cost with new railway lines and land reclamation included (and not that long ago BTW). Nobody is questioning that? There seems to be a lot of people here happy to stick their heads in the sand and ignore the costs for the sake of a new show piece stadium (and hang the costs). If it was Victoria, yes we're used to our government pissing our money against the wall, on the understanding that anything that the current State Government build down here in Melbourne inevitably blows out in projected costs three-fold. A $7 billion freeway link from the Western Ring Road to the Eastern freeway is now up to $24 billion (and still not finished), and the Suburban Rail Loop was proposed to cost $70 billion three years ago and now projected to be $200 billion. I can't wait for them to start the proposed $1.1 billion rebuild of the Great Southern Stand at the MCG. Let's see if the Vic Govt can make that blow out to $3 billion. Is this also true of Queensland?
Look I get it, some people don't give a stuff about debt and tax payer's money (or much else for that matter). Particularly our politicians who have their priorities horribly skewed building stadiums while our roads are crumbling and people die in ambulances and on gurneys because they can't get a hospital bed. They just see numbers and roll their eyes unable to comprehend that in Victoria alone tax payers are paying $26 million per-day in interest on state government debt (About $9.5 billion per year in round terms). But remember guys, the nation will be footing the bill for these Olympics, not just Queensland. It behoves all of us to hold the Games Organising Committee and Government Ministers accountable for every cent wasted or mis-spent.
Sorry folks for the rant. But government waste and nobody being prepared to hold them to account for it makes my blood boil.
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Well it is an Australian product.
Rugby is popular throughout the Pacific, so if anything it should be rugby union.
Yes, as soon as the NRL and every other sport pay for their fair share of gifted stadiums.
You forget to mention the importance of infrastructure builds to the local community.
You ignore the concept of community benefit.
And you totally ignore the the ability to recover costs.
The NSW government could have done it a lot better but was torpedoed by the flawed design.
The W.A. government built a very expensive stadium and they mitigate costs by charging substantial fees to AFL, WAFL, CA.and concerts etc They actually pay the rugbies and soccer to play there so there is obviously an economic benefit in having a world class stadium.
Just imagine if the AFL did build the Olympic stadium. have you thought of the consequences.
Mostly because it's only a broad set of Olympic recommendations that doesn't even go so far as an initial blueprint, so any costing at the moment is only a guesstimation.
PNG specifically is a rugby league country, if they funded a super rugby team it would be a waste of time, money and wouldn't do anything for the governments purpose of pushing China away from PNG.
NO. PNG is a country where rl is popular - full stop.
The only way anybody is pushing away China's influence is by pandering to their corrupt leader's desires
by our corrupt leader.
Because ALL costs have gone up drastically.
So you don't even know of the particular circumstances.
Politicians get voted in by people.
Unfortunately under the two party preferred system there's never a party which ticks all boxes.
The biggest issues are indeed cost of living crisis, housing crisis, rental crisis, health crisis, education crisis and exports crisis, yet somebody committed to the Olympics and somebody committed to gifting NRL $ 600 million.
8,243,908 Australians attended AFL games. That's a lot of revenue directed towards repayments on stadiuns.
So the cost of stadiums can be mitigated to a degree and can add to a cities appeal.
The Perth stadium had a huge cost tag but the W.A.insists that it does attract substantial tourist dollars.
The MCG is one of the most used stadiums and probably the most attended stadium in the world - it pays it way.
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On your first point, I believe that all sporting codes should contribute to the building of new stadiums irrespective of what stadium it is and what purpose that it is specifically built for. I argued against the gifting of the $250 million stadium to Townsville as a result of the Turnbull government pork barrelling votes in NQ back in 2015. Yes the NRL and Soccer Australia should be contributing to new build rectangular stadiums, just as I have previously stated for AFL and Cricket to contribute their fair share to new oval stadiums. So no argument there, we both agree.
On your next set of points. No I didn't forget anything, I wasn't discussing community benefits, but now you've raised that point, we ought to consider the question of whether community will still benefit from a new build $1.6 billion stadium just as much as they benefit from a $3.6 billion stadium? Would anybody seriously argue that the organisers of the Brisbane Olympics should blow $3.6 billion of our money to build a showpiece stadium for the sake of boasting to the world, when a simpler stadium for half the cost will do the job both during and long after Games? Let's face it, $1.6 billion will build a hell of a lot of good permanent stadium. I have laboured the point enough that Perth's stadium cost $1.4 billion to build before the railways and land reclamation were taken into account. Even allowing for inflation and increased building material costs (oh and my favourite .... "The War in the Ukraine"), there is no reason why a new build 60,000 seater at Victoria Park or anywhere else in Brisbane that is sited next to a train line and freeway (As the Victoria Park option is) should be costing anything more than $1.6 - 1.7 billion. That kind of money will still build a state of the art permanent stadium and they wouldn't need to even consider temporary scaffold stands.
This all said, I have previously stated that nobody is going to be looking at the stadium architecture during the Games. Spectators, athletes and media will be more focussed on its functionality, convenience of facilities and comfort. Consider the Rio Olympics, they spent a squillion on stadiums and new builds and yet all that people remember is that the sewerage in the athletes village overflowed, the mozzies, and that athletes and officials struggled to get to venues on time. Consider the wastelands that surround the ruins of most of 2004 Athens Olympic venues today. I can go back even to the Atlanta Olympics (A text book example of how not to organise an Olympics) if we are talking about what people remember certain Olympics for. Consider Sydney 2000. Sydney has had an ambiguous relationship with its Olympic Stadium at Homebush over the last 25 years since its completion. Cricket NSW doesn't want a bar of it, the AFL hate it. I don't think that the NRL fans are particularly wild about it either. It only gets filled to capacity twice, or maybe three times a year for NRL (Only if NSW are hosting two State of Origin Games). Even the NSW Government wanted to demolish it a few years ago and start all over again. Yet it was supposed to be the centre-piece of the Sydney Games and rival the MCG after. The Sydney Games were not remembered as "The Best Games Ever" because of its stadium. It was the friendliness and helpfulness of its volunteers and citizens, and how the whole city embraced the Games. It was the organisation of the Games itself and the way that the athletes, officials and media were accommodated and made to feel welcome.
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