New finals qualification rule.

[loose man in defence]

A heads up to all clubs who have both Seniors & Reserves playing finals on the same weekend.

The NFL has introduced a new rule for finals qualifications.

The rule states that all players playing in the RESERVES must of played 3 games in that grade during the year to be eligible to play on the day even though your SENIORS are playing afterwards or the next day.

The old rule was open slather as to who played where if both sides were playing on the same weekend.

We learnt the hard way at South Morang as we had 3 players who were either dropped to the RESERVES for poor form or making their way back through the RESERVES after injury late in the season.

These 3 players only played 2 games each in the RESERVES late in the season after 12 - 14 games in the SENIORS. We got fined $100 for each player & were told if our RESERVES had of won we would of forfeited.

What the league is saying is that if a player who has played all season in the SENIORS & gets dropped for a final or even worse the grand final he can not play in the RESERVES if your club is lucky enough to have both sides in.

How can they justify this nonsense rule?

 

[10571z]

What a load of shit. How ****ing stupid is the league. What's this rule solving? Let's drop players to win a reserves premiership? How stupid is this crap... If both teams are still in the finals then you pick ur best 22 for seniors that's it. Scrap this rule before the weekend

 

[Chet_Wynd]

Interesting. When was the Rule introduced ? Prior to the season starting or during the season. And if during the season, when. And what is the rationale ?
Agree with 10571z - clubs with both teams on the same day don't drop players just to win a Reserves game. And if a club has its two teams playing on the same day/weekend, well done to them and they should have the flexability to use their whole playing list as they see fit.

 

[10571z]

Dear all.

Ron M probably cant read properly.

South Morang probably should demand there money back.

This clearly states that if both teams are in the finals you can do what you please pretty much.

Provided that such exception shall be presumed where any club fields an A Grade and a B Grade in a finals series match on the same day, or the same weekend

EXTRACT FROM THE BY LAWS


(d) Any player playing more than 9 matches with a club's A Grade in the home and away matches is ineligible to play with that club's B Grade team in the finals series. Provided that such exception shall be presumed where any club fields an A Grade and a B Grade in a finals series match on the same day, or the same weekend. In the event that the season is shortened, the board reserves the right to alter the 9 match limit relating to finals eligibility.

 

[Hornberger]

Dear all.

Ron M probably cant read properly.

South Morang probably should demand there money back.

This clearly states that if both teams are in the finals you can do what you please pretty much.





EXTRACT FROM THE BY LAWS


(d) Any player playing more than 9 matches with a club's A Grade in the home and away matches is ineligible to play with that club's B Grade team in the finals series. Provided that such exception shall be presumed where any club fields an A Grade and a B Grade in a finals series match on the same day, or the same weekend. In the event that the season is shortened, the board reserves the right to alter the 9 match limit relating to finals eligibility.

Section (d) needs to be read in conjuction with section (b). Section (b) requires that a player play at least 3 B Grade games but no more than 9 A Grade games. Section (d) only removes the 9 A Grade games limit. It does not alter the 3 B Grade games requirement.

 

[10571z]

Section (d) needs to be read in conjuction with section (b). Section (b) requires that a player play at least 3 B Grade games but no more than 9 A Grade games. Section (d) only removes the 9 A Grade games limit. It does not alter the 3 B Grade games requirement.

I take that as as only if you A grade isnt in the finals.Which is a fair enough call. If your A team dont make the finals you cant be dropping back all your fringe players who have played mostly senior football but 3 in a B

How interpret


You A & B's Are in the finals

You can play any player anywhere. There is no reason in the history of football that you would drop good players in the A team to B to win a final.

Just B team

You can play any player who has played 3 games in the B's all season and less than 9 in the seniors. If the player has played over 9 in the A's then they cant play in the B's even if they have played 9 in the A's and 6 in the B's for example



Its a stupid as rule. You can see if however you want but common sense needs to prevail.




Its been like this for so many years. Ron Mckeweon obviously has a different interpretation than everyone else has ever had.

 

[NFL_JC]

Dear all.

Ron M probably cant read properly.

South Morang probably should demand there money back.

This clearly states that if both teams are in the finals you can do what you please pretty much.



Not sure how you can suggest this would be Ronnie Mac's doing. He's only been there 5 minutes, give the guy a break and find another scapegoat cocko.

 

[Hornberger]

4.3 To Participate in Finals Matches
(a) A Grade: Players must play at least 3 matches (senior and/or junior competition) with their Affiliated Club in the Home and Away matches to qualify to play in the A Grade finals series.

(b) B Grade: Players must play at least 3 matches in B Grade in the Home and Away matches to qualify to play in the B Grade Finals series.

(c C Grade: Any player eligible to play in the C Grade competitions organised or authorised by the League who plays with senior teams may play in the finals series of the C Grade matches provided that the player concerned has played at least 6 games in the appropriate age group in the Home and Away matches and no more than 9 matches with the club’s A Grade in the Home and Away matches. Provided that such exception shall be presumed where any club fields an A Grade and a C Grade team in a finals series match on the same day, or the same weekend, in which case the player concerned has played at least 6 games in the appropriate age group only.

(d) Any player playing more than 9 matches with a club's A Grade in the home and away matches is ineligible to play with that club's B Grade team in the finals series. Provided that such exception shall be presumed where any club fields an A Grade and a B Grade in a finals series match on the same day, or the same weekend. In the event that the season is shortened, the board reserves the right to alter the 9 match limit relating to finals eligibility.

There is only one interpretation.
Section 4.3 (b) requires a minium of 3 B Grade games to qualify for B grade finals.
Section 4.3 (d) does not provide an exemption for the requirements in Section 4.3 (b)

Nobody can argue that it isn't a stupid rule but the NFL is correct; those South Morang players where not qualified for finals.

 

[10571z]

Well either way how can you justify that stupid rule.

 

[Hornberger]

Well either way how can you justify that stupid rule.

I never justified it, in fact I said exactly the opposite. I am only agreeing with the interpertation of the rule, not the rule itself.

 

[Chet_Wynd]

There is only one interpretation.
Section 4.3 (b) requires a minium of 3 B Grade games to qualify for B grade finals.
Section 4.3 (d) does not provide an exemption for the requirements in Section 4.3 (b)

Nobody can argue that it isn't a stupid rule but the NFL is correct; those South Morang players where not qualified for finals.

Have to disagree with you HornBlower and agree with NFL_JC (who probably shouldknow) and 10571z.

If you read Part (d) it DOES say that there is an exception if both a club's A and B Grade teams play on the same day or weekend. Of course provided a player has played 3 games with his club - and it doesn't say in which grade.


(d) Any player playing more than 9 matches with a club's A Grade in the home and away matches is ineligible to play with that club's B Grade team in the finals series. Provided that such exception shall be presumed where any club fields an A Grade and a B Grade in a finals series match on the same day, or the same weekend. In the event that the season is shortened, the board reserves the right to alter the 9 match limit relating to finals eligibility.

 

[Hornberger]

(d) Any player playing more than 9 matches with a club's A Grade in the home and away matches is ineligible to play with that club's B Grade team in the finals series. Provided that such exception shall be presumed where any club fields an A Grade and a B Grade in a finals series match on the same day, or the same weekend. In the event that the season is shortened, the board reserves the right to alter the 9 match limit relating to finals eligibility.

The exception applies to the 9 game limit in section (d). It doesn't alter the 3 game requirement in section (b). It should cover it but it doesn't.

 

[looker]

I thought this rule has been enforced for many years. Did someone say the NFL changed it recently? What section was changed ??

I did a little research of my own and uncovered a couple of interesting discoveries.

Some of the ‘Johnny-come-lately’ finals players have just scrapped in – and one (if I am interpreting the rules correctly) would have done a hell of a job to have qualified for the finals.

Vaccaro seems to have qualified to play for WPL – even though he only played 1 x Senior match for the year (final round). He qualifies because his junior games for WPL are taken into account. (4.3 a)

A certain Greensborough player has qualified on paper yet in reality, would have needed to split himself in 2 to have qualified. Apparently he played 1 game for GB 2’s. Must have had a very quick car to have driven from C’Burn to War Memorial Park to possibly play 5 mins of the last Qtr. If true, poor form GB.

Maybe this is one WPL will have up their sleeve if GB beat them this coming weekend …. ?
Such an occurrence was avoided with SMFC – because they lost – but it might just come into play if WPL lose to GB.

Interesting times ahead. I wonder if any other clubs have done this to any of their players.