New ODI spinner?

[triplejdude]

We are in a pretty bad position at the moment. Obviously with Hoggs retirement, we need a new spinner for the Australian one day squad, and with Macgill on the way out soon, for the test side as well.
The way I see it, there are two main options, McGain and Cullen.
In my opinion, picking McGain will just leave us in the same position we are now, in two years. But with Cullen essentially untested at international level, he is very unpredictable.
Leaves the selectors with a tough task.

 

[Scotland]

McGain will be 36 in March. Hardly a long-term solution.

That being said, none of Hauritz, Cullen, Bailey etc. have really set the world on fire.

Give McGain a few ODI's. He's got FC/ODD form and a year or two of a good spinner then a big hole is better than a potential year or two of a dud spinner who doesn't improve.

If he does well, itt's good for Australian cricket. If he is an international dud, it is 'good' for BigFooty, as there will be increased 'friendly banter' between Victorians and the rest. Win win.

 

[saintsownthedome]

sorry mate.........

5. Chris Simspon... Very hander bat but more suited to the longer format..

Here are the statistics of these 5 players in this years domestic series

Cullen 13 wts @ 28 @ 4.97
Hauritz 7 wts @ 46 4.83 E/R
Doherty 11 wts @ 31 4.39 E/R
Heal 7 wts @ 30 4.22 E/R
Simpson 6 wts @ 38 4.59

Compare the numbers from the five spinners listed to these numbers:

15 wts @ 24.4 E/R 4.15

Not bad Bryce McGain

 

[Woodstock..]

I'm pushing for Cullen Bailey even though im Victorian, just think his gonna be a star in the coming years, its just the way SA treat him which makes me cringe, PICK HIM!!

 

[Cruiser23]

I think we should play Cameron White ahead of Hopes and play the four seamers. As unfair as this sounds for Hopes, i think it is the best balance.

 

[Blue Red and Gold]

How about Xavier Doherty?

ODD 2007/08 11 wickets @ 33.18 E/R of 4.39

Plays predominantly on the road that is Bellerive, whereas Cullen gets the advantage of Adelaide Oval.

what are you talking about? Adelaide gets bagged every year because it produces a batsman friendly deck, all of a sudden its become a raging turner?

 

[TassieSaint]

Actual X Doherty figures: 15 wickets @ 25.53 E/C 4.27

 

[RoK]

Spinners in Australia have the hardest job in world cricket bowling in the best domestic league in the world on batsman friendly wickets... I would take any spinner if they took 1/40 every game... thats fantastic figures... If every bowler took 1/40, youd win every game

Very good point.

 

[DeadlyAkkuret]

If every bowler took 1/40, you'd win every game? So, let's say we have 6 bowlers, that's 6/240. Don't we need 10 wickets to bowl a team out? I think you mean if every SPIN bowler took 1/40, you'd be doing okay.

 

[Cousin Jed]

I think we should play Cameron White ahead of Hopes and play the four seamers. As unfair as this sounds for Hopes, i think it is the best balance.

Yeah 4 overs 0/30 from White will add tremendous balance to the team.

 

[glow_gat]

If every bowler took 1/40, you'd win every game? So, let's say we have 6 bowlers, that's 6/240. Don't we need 10 wickets to bowl a team out? I think you mean if every SPIN bowler took 1/40, you'd be doing okay.

I was actually refering to one day cricket !!!!.... What i meant was if all 5 bowlers in the team, both spinners and quicks took 1/40 which equates to 5/200 and also on average 1 run out a innings (eg 6/200), you would have the capabilities to chase or defend your total quite easily

 

[Coin_Toss]

Punter has said in the past he's more than happy to get a few overs out of his part-time spinners, Andrew Symonds and Michael Clarke, so I wouldn't be surprised that this will happen for the time being if nobody else steps up to the mark.

 

[wooostace]

Darren Lehmann

 

[DeadlyAkkuret]

I was actually refering to one day cricket !!!!.... What i meant was if all 5 bowlers in the team, both spinners and quicks took 1/40 which equates to 5/200 and also on average 1 run out a innings (eg 6/200), you would have the capabilities to chase or defend your total quite easily

Ahh yes, my apologies.

 

[Bombers_Forever]

McGain will be 36 in March. Hardly a long-term solution.

Exactly. You will get one season out of him at best, that is it.

The rest of the young players like Cullen, Bailey etc might not have the best figures but someon needs to be thrown in the deep end, even if there is short term pain as a result.

 

[davey_magik]

Exactly. You will get one season out of him at best, that is it.

The rest of the young players like Cullen, Bailey etc might not have the best figures but someon needs to be thrown in the deep end, even if there is short term pain as a result.

That is a silly thing to say. Just because guys like Warne and McGrath shone after being thrown into the deep end at a young age doesn't mean that throwing Cullen and Bailey into the deep end will make them good international players in time.

You play the best players available, regardless of age.

 

[kenrosewall]

Just to update the ODD domestic stats for 2007/08 (Wickets/Average/Economy Rate/Strike Rate):

McGain 15/24.40/4.25/34.4
Doherty 15/25.53/4.27/35.8
Cullen 13/28.30/4.97/34.1
Heal 7/30.14/4.22/42.8
Hauritz 7/46.28/4.83/57.4
Simpson 6/38.83/4.59/50.6
White 6/51.16/5.01/61.1
Bailey 0/0/0/0

So based purely on stats from the 07/08 season, you would say that McGain and Doherty are the two from spinners on the one-day scene.

Another option (to go with Symonds & Clarke) is to play D Hussey.

 

[the missing head]

Doherty for the one day format, don't know about the tests, hopefully MacGill will be right for the next one, +does White even bowl anymore? he should stick to his batting really...

 

[glow_gat]

Just to update the ODD domestic stats for 2007/08 (Wickets/Average/Economy Rate/Strike Rate):

McGain 15/24.40/4.25/34.4
Doherty 15/25.53/4.27/35.8
Cullen 13/28.30/4.97/34.1
Heal 7/30.14/4.22/42.8
Hauritz 7/46.28/4.83/57.4
Simpson 6/38.83/4.59/50.6
White 6/51.16/5.01/61.1
Bailey 0/0/0/0

So based purely on stats from the 07/08 season, you would say that McGain and Doherty are the two from spinners on the one-day scene.

Another option (to go with Symonds & Clarke) is to play D Hussey.

Dave Hussey would be invaluable in the one day format... with the ability to bat in any situation and also bowl a handy spell at crucial situations.... He has to be on the tour of the west indies and pakistan (???) In my opinion, this is the most exciting phase in modern Australian Cricket, now we are seeing the new crop of spinners fighting it out for a sport in the side.... We just saw Doherty take 4/18 in a one day final against Victoria, taking 2 vital wickets to set up the game.... Doherty is highly underated, he harly ever goes for over 50 from his 10 and consistantly take 1 or 2 wickets in his spells, he has to be up there for selection but i still think that for him to be selected, he needs to be playing 4 day cricket, which he wont do if he is playing on a 'flat' Bellerive wicket

 

[kenrosewall]

Dave Hussey would be invaluable in the one day format... with the ability to bat in any situation and also bowl a handy spell at crucial situations.... He has to be on the tour of the west indies and pakistan (???) In my opinion, this is the most exciting phase in modern Australian Cricket, now we are seeing the new crop of spinners fighting it out for a sport in the side.... We just saw Doherty take 4/18 in a one day final against Victoria, taking 2 vital wickets to set up the game.... Doherty is highly underated, he harly ever goes for over 50 from his 10 and consistantly take 1 or 2 wickets in his spells, he has to be up there for selection but i still think that for him to be selected, he needs to be playing 4 day cricket, which he wont do if he is playing on a 'flat' Bellerive wicket

The problem for X is his confidence in the 4-day form. ODD cricket doesn't allow you to toss the ball up and/or give it a big rip (both of which X is very capable of). As he has played so much ODD cricket lately, the selectors haven't viewed im as a wicket-taker at PC level. Krejza got his timing right for selection in the PC and hasn't done anything to warrant being dropped this year (has been our next best bowler behind Geevesy probably). I think we (Tassie) should play 2 spinners in the one game and see who gets the best return on the same track and then decide. These are the sort of things we should be experimenting with at this time of the year, or else risk losing X to another state (ala Wade last year- we should have played him as a specialist batsman).

 

[LondonCalling]

White makes the most sense.

If for nothing else, how shoddy the tail will look soon at ODI level.

 

[LukeParkerno1]

White makes the most sense.

If for nothing else, how shoddy the tail will look soon at ODI level.

If we are relying on a bloke at 8 making runs we deserve to lose. I'd rather have a spinner that actually spins the ball thanks. Even Hauritz spins it more than White..and need I remind you of White's current ODI bowling stats..

 

[High Ryder]

Mcgain or don't play a spinner.

 

[ahhhhhh]

If we are relying on a bloke at 8 making runs we deserve to lose. I'd rather have a spinner that actually spins the ball thanks. Even Hauritz spins it more than White..and need I remind you of White's current ODI bowling stats..

Kumble doesn't spin the ball...

 

[TassieSaint]

Kumble doesn't spin the ball...

Why would you bother trying to compare White to Kumble?