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The Flying Belgian
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Was a predictable followon to the benching.
Say what you want about his ability as QB, Jones has copped a lot and maintained his professionalism.
Say what you want about his ability as QB, Jones has copped a lot and maintained his professionalism.
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So is Daboll safe?
I think Schoen is but does he throw his mate under the buss to be seen to be doing something?
There could be 11 head coach changes this year? Do we jump now so we dont get left behind in the search?
New coach and new QB is a sign of fresh hope for the fanbase.
I think Schoen is but does he throw his mate under the buss to be seen to be doing something?
There could be 11 head coach changes this year? Do we jump now so we dont get left behind in the search?
New coach and new QB is a sign of fresh hope for the fanbase.
The Flying Belgian
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Gut feel is they'll stick with Daboll, but look to hire a offensive playcaller so he doesn't have that burden. I'm not even sure what Kafka's role is anymore.
I think after the benching and release of Jones, the Mara's won't want much more bloodshed. Given Jones was a Mara favourite, it signals to me that they've come in behind the Schoen/Daboll combo, at least for another year. Gut feel is that Daboll isn't easy to work for as a line coach and it will blow up at some stage unless he can mellow.
The Flying Belgian
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Cam Ward is $11.50 on Sportsbet this morning to be the #1 pick. Just saying.
Exe Gesis
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Giants GM should've been fired before the Jets GM was....
Let McKinney (7 INTs) and Barkley (1,000+ yards) walk....meanwhile Giants D 10 straight games without an INT and offensive woes. Plus, gave Daniel Jones a huge contract only to release him a couple years later.
Let McKinney (7 INTs) and Barkley (1,000+ yards) walk....meanwhile Giants D 10 straight games without an INT and offensive woes. Plus, gave Daniel Jones a huge contract only to release him a couple years later.
Constantgin
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Both of them are doing aswell as they are cause there on much better teams talent wise. Giants were both right in letting them both walk. Adding them both to current giants rosters and might have 1 win more that's it. Better to get games into youngsters and keep losing to get high enough to grab franchise QB.
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They just didnt want to pay Barkley. Of course Barkley would have made that offense much better and made Jones look better having to manage a game more. Probably just didnt want to pay McKinney either.
They would not have said let Barkley walk so we are shot on offense and lose games to tank for the #1 pick. No org, bar the Colts, would do that...coaches and GMs are trying to win so they keep their jobs
Constantgin
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It's like people saying pay running backs and don't let them leave after performance of Barkley, Henry and Jacobs this year. You realize those new teams were pretty good before they signed those running backs. The old teams would still be pretty bad with those guys still on their teams.
Constantgin
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Behind that horrible oline wouldn't have made much of a difference. Giants with barkley were still the 6th worst team record wise.
Constantgin
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Tracy has looked alright for giants other than fumbling issues. I don't see Barkley being much of an improvement.
Constantgin
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Think biggest mistake to do with Barkley was taking him at pick 2 in draft. Should have gone Josh Allen or traded down and grabbed Lamar. RB at 2 set franchise back 5 years.
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I started to follow the Giants because i follow the Knicks in the NBA.
I choose the Giants over the Jets & Bills because i thought they were a better run organisation...
I obviously didnt do my homework....
Its going to be fun to follow them next year with a new QB and potentially a new coach/GM
I choose the Giants over the Jets & Bills because i thought they were a better run organisation...
I obviously didnt do my homework....
Its going to be fun to follow them next year with a new QB and potentially a new coach/GM
The Flying Belgian
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Can't believe I'm saying this, but I think I'd be trading down in this draft, no matter what pick we end up with. I'm not sold on either of the top 2 QB's and I think you can get a Justin Fields for $4M which is less than what you'd be paying a #1 or #2 pick. Trade down and try to get a couple of OL's and maybe a DL in FA, prehaps take a flier on a second round QB like Milroe if he makes it there, Beck or Ewers then wait and see.
But if we do decide to draft one of either Ward or Sanders, I'd be avoiding Sanders like the plague.
But if we do decide to draft one of either Ward or Sanders, I'd be avoiding Sanders like the plague.
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If Daboll and Schoen manage to stick around think drafting Sanders would be career suicide. You just know Deion is gonna have a cry and say he could do a better job. Fields over Darnold? Doubt youre getting Fields for that price if hes going to be the starter. It would be a 20m contract at least id think.
The Flying Belgian
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Fields is on $3.5M at the Steelers I believe. But yeah, it might be a bit more if he was starter. But $20M? I don't think so.
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Thats still his rookie contract, it runs out this year. Starting QBs who sign 2-3 year deals which is what would happen with Fields go for at least 20m PA. Unless youre paying him as a bridge over 1-2 years and even then thats 12m to 15m. Minshew's contract with the Raiders for example was in that ball park I believe.
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Seems ridiculous given Schoen saddled Daboll with Daniel Jones as his QB after giving him a bad contract. If one is out both should be out.
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I can’t see us getting a top QB with our first pick if we are picking 4th
The Flying Belgian
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I've seen this argument a lot and it's one that looks solid with the benefit of hindsight. But after making playoffs that year, a quiet QB FA market and an owner who saw Jones as the next Eli... most GM's are going to make the same decision, whether they're one year in or 10. I don't really undersatnd contract mechanics, so the structure of it maybe...
Looks like we'll either be drafting Travis Hunter or trading back. Either way, we'll be likely looking to trade or sign a QB rather than draft one.
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How do you rate the top 2 qbs this year? Was it a massive f up to win last week?
The Flying Belgian
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It was, but you'll never convince players or HC's (especially those with their jobs in question (which is pretty much any of them in the position to tank) to tank and I think management did everything they could by benching injured players. People criticising the organisation for that are way off the mark.
I've watched a lot more college ball this year and while I don't think think Ward is quite where Daniels was last year, but he's not far off he's advanced a long wat this year and like Daniels last year the draft pundits are a little late catching up. He'll almost certainly go at pick 1.
Sanders is interesting. I've found it hard to assess him, but I think he's an old-style pocket passer QB so he's going to need a solid OL to play behind. That said, Colorado's OL is ordinary, so there can be an argument made that he's by far outperforming what he should be. And between he and Hunter, they've lifted Colorado from a 4-8 team to 9-4. But he hasn't shown great mobility. Then there's the whole Sanders family circus to deal with with dad Deion and older brother Shilo. I wouldn't be tearing down the house if we drafted him, but it also go horribly wrong.
Of the second-tier QB's I really like Will Howard from Ohio State. He's played against some of the best defences and is standing up in the back half of the season. He was very good against Oregon on the weekend. If he stands up against Texas he'll get talked about a bit more. If we drafted him in the 3rd I'd be very happy, but I think he'll go before that.
If we got Hunter I'd be thrilled though. He's at least the second-best CB in the draft and will still be able to play (limited) snaps as a WR. Freak of an athlete and by all accounts a good dude.
Constantgin
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Sanders arm strength is just average cant make all the throw and for a family of athletes his pretty mid. His pocket awareness is pretty damn awful too. Then their are character concerns his inability to take blame for anything always someone else fault OL, running backs and his dad lets him get away with it.
Hunter is a good corner thou he tends to be grabby like Sauce. You watch some of his tape against the good wr he played like McMillian and his basically holding on every play. And he hardly ever gets called for it that will change in the pro's.
Bigger problem I have is Colorado doesn't have a win over any quality opposition 0-4 against ranked teams with Sanders and Hunter in the team.
