NEWCOMB FOOTBALL CLUB - The Dino Extinct?

[dickkyboy]

HELP NEEDED! Newcomb Football Club is on the brink and they need your help. A few of the Bellarine Clubs have voted to kick them out of the BFL.

People HATE or LOVE Newcomb, but they don't deserve to be killed off.

They are financially stable and have been working hard at being more competitive on the field - with limited success this season, although injuries have hurt the last couple of weeks.

No games have been forfeited.
No money is owed.

Let's get behind the club and support them take on Football Geelong!

Most other clubs have been in this situation in the past - if they were "killed off" there would be very few clubs left.

HELP THE DINO!

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[muttonchops]

Whilst sympathetic with your plight, i do wonder which if any other BFL clubs have voted to have Newcomb removed. It would only weaken even further a 10 team comp, so i find that i bit hard to believe.

And this may be harsh, but Newcomb only have themselves to blame. Everyone knows they bought a premiership. You payed massive coin to a lot of players in order to buy a flag and it worked. It was great for you short term success but crippled your club in the long term as is being seen today. Yes you may owe no one money but one of the big effects buying a flag brings is that you kill of other sections of the club such as the junior section.

If you are financially stable and owe no one money then you aren't in to bad a position are you. And as i said at the top why would the BFL and Football Geelong want you out of the competition if that only left them with 9 teams.

Instead of grovelling for help keep your heads down and keep working hard and eventually the wheel will turn.

For the record to it has been a while since Newcomb was the Dinos, it Power now.

And now after reading your Facebook page you say Football Geelong has said 4 wins or your out. Are you sure thats true. I 'm not if that were the case Portarlington would have been kicked out years ago.

 

[dickkyboy]

Hi Muttonshops,

I'm an old player who has heard the news.

They have been given an unachievable KPI of winning 4 games. I would think highly unlikely, although they have won 1 (reserves a couple of weeks ago).

I agree that it is doubtful that the other clubs have voted them out; but if the correct process has been followed this is the only way they can be removed (other than for non-financial reasons) from the BFL.

My active involvement with the club ended some years ago (they will always be Dino's to me), but I was involved during a time when the club worked hard to stay afloat and eliminate debt.

In relation to "buying" a premiership; I think it would be naive to suggest that any of the clubs in the last 10 years that are in contention or have won a Premiership haven't had paid players.

You are right however; Newcomb's problems started before their successful era; right around the time the u/18's & u/15's struggled to firstly, remain competitive and lastly, field a side. Not enough attention was obviously put into these areas which at one time made Newcomb a powerhouse Junior Cub (15's & 18's).

 

[muttonchops]

Dickkboy, yes many other clubs pay players, i am sure Ammos, Drysdale , Ocean Grove and Torquay do but have a look at their junior structures, they put a lot of effort into them and have many kids coming through to play senior football. What Newcombs problem is they went from nothing to premiers based on buying players, so the kids left because the club would rather pay outsiders than give juniors a game. Thats where the bigger clubs get it right, they have a combination of both, yes they pay for better players but i think you will find all the aforementioned clubs have good players in their senior side that played junior football with the club.

As for the 4 wins this year, that would have to be combined ones and twos, even if thats the case i dont think it will happen unfortunately.

Also if you say "it is doubtful that other clubs have voted them out" while in your opening post you said "A few of the Bellarine Clubs have voted to kick them out of the BFL", which one is it? They either have or they havent, right?

 

[dickkyboy]

Muttonchops,

To have KPI's that end with a club being kicked out of the competition 'you would think' they have been voted. I've been told that Drysdale & Geelong Amateurs are supporting the BFL on removing Newcomb.

So there has been a vote on the introduction of KPI's.

There would need to be a vote on the removal of the club should they fail to meet the KPI's (yes, a reserve win this season. they require 4 in total).

I'm not in the loop of the club - so information is coming out slowly - but there is nothing to be gained by waiting until the end of the season to start the fight.

The motion is that Football Geelong have introduced KPI's and should Newcomb be folded they will assume the lease over Coppards Rd (Grinter Reserve) and play a "Match of the Round" at the ground as a night fixture.

Hopefully the club releases all the information now that it has become public.

I will not defend the Junior program as it is disappointing that once a successful club (in 15's & 18's) hasn't been able to field a side for a few years.

 

[muttonchops]

If what you are saying is true i think thats a disgrace by Football Geelong. They should be supporting clubs not getting rid of them. A 9 team BFL is not an ideal scenario. My thinking is they have someone waiting in the wings, Lorne perhaps?

 

[Randy Guy]

It might be a blessing in disguise for the club,
They should look at a joint affiliation with Lorne into the GDFL asap IMO. If they approached the league together with a decent proposal I have no doubt they'd be accepted.
There would be no issue with the bye and I think the GDFL clubs are more supportive to struggling clubs than (The head up your arse attitude of most BFL clubs).

BFL footy is overrated anyway......

 

[dickkyboy]

Yeah - from what I hear it is very very poor form by one particular Executive at Football Geelong.

The word will get out and there will be a lot of support for Newcomb. They are a VERY proud club and have much history. Despite the poor last 2 seasons.

No idea on clubs waiting in the wings; but I guess over the years there have been many rumors of other sides approaching the BFL for entry...

Time will tell, but NEWCOMB will not be going anywhere...

 

[dickkyboy]

Randy Guy,

I agree with what you are saying; the GDFL is definitely supportive of struggling clubs. When I was involved officially down at Newcomb we looked at the financial stability of the club and the long-term viability; the GDFL was a serious option.

They were waiting in the wings to take Newcomb.

But;

The BFL did EVERYTHING in their power to keep Newcomb in their competition. As a club we went down the road of committing to the BFL. And history shows that in the subsequent 9 years they have gone on to win 2 Premierships and held up their end of the commitment to stay with the BFL (in 2001).

For the League to turn around during Newcomb's rebuilding and threaten their existence is arrogance and pathetic.

It is in a time like this club's need the support from everyone who has been involved or committed to a club that has gone through hard times. It isn't about the jumper you are wearing it is about the tradition you bring to the competition.

Loose Newcomb and you loose a part of the history from the sides that play/ have played against them.... You also loose history from the competition (BFL) itself!

 

[muttonchops]

This gets back to the old promotion/relegation debate. If we had that system in place then this situation would not occur. Newcomb would be in the 3rd division now and at least winning some games and being competitive. Other clubs as we know would benefit from this as well. When are the powers that be actually going to realise this is the best thing for ALL clubs. I would rather see clubs actually surviving under a promotion/rlegation system than becoming extinct under the current set up.

 

[Randy Guy]

Randy Guy,

I agree with what you are saying; the GDFL is definitely supportive of struggling clubs. When I was involved officially down at Newcomb we looked at the financial stability of the club and the long-term viability; the GDFL was a serious option.

They were waiting in the wings to take Newcomb.

But;

The BFL did EVERYTHING in their power to keep Newcomb in their competition. As a club we went down the road of committing to the BFL. And history shows that in the subsequent 9 years they have gone on to win 2 Premierships and held up their end of the commitment to stay with the BFL (in 2001).

For the League to turn around during Newcomb's rebuilding and threaten their existence is arrogance and pathetic.

It is in a time like this club's need the support from everyone who has been involved or committed to a club that has gone through hard times. It isn't about the jumper you are wearing it is about the tradition you bring to the competition.

Loose Newcomb and you loose a part of the history from the sides that play/ have played against them.... You also loose history from the competition (BFL) itself!

Well from the outside it looks like it's time to look after #1 at Newcomb and I'd be jumping ship NOW!

The GDFL would love another team up the road from Buckley's.

If I had to make decisions on my own to save the club i'd do something like this.

• Contact Lorne to see what they were looking at doing for next season.
• Contact the GDFL with your intention to affiliate, with or without Lorne.
• Change the name back to the dino's (this might help get some of the older/past people back down there, and bring back the old jumper.
• Contact every single person that has ever had anything to do with the club and get them on board.

• Maybe even get the cricket/Netball on-board and make a sports club committee with people that have the best interest for the sports club.

And also I'm sure your players/supporters would enjoy seeing a win or two while you rebuild, that won't happen in the BFL.

No idea if it would work but that's how I'd approach it, or something like that.

 

[muttonchops]

Well from the outside it looks like it's time to look after #1 at Newcomb and I'd be jumping ship NOW!

The GDFL would love another team up the road from Buckley's.

If I had to make decisions on my own to save the club i'd do something like this.

• Contact Lorne to see what they were looking at doing for next season.
• Contact the GDFL with your intention to affiliate, with or without Lorne.
• Change the name back to the dino's (this might help get some of the older/past people back down there, and bring back the old jumper.
• Contact every single person that has ever had anything to do with the club and get them on board.

• Maybe even get the cricket/Netball on-board and make a sports club committee with people that have the best interest for the sports club.

And also I'm sure your players/supporters would enjoy seeing a win or two while you rebuild, that won't happen in the BFL.

No idea if it would work but that's how I'd approach it, or something like that.

I would have thought that given their current plight anyone that really wanted to help would be helping. Dont think much will change just because they change leagues.

 

[dickkyboy]

This gets back to the old promotion/relegation debate. If we had that system in place then this situation would not occur. Newcomb would be in the 3rd division now and at least winning some games and being competitive.

Couldn't agree more.

This debate goes back years and years - and there still seems to have been little movement.

North Shore are not all that different to Newcomb except that they the underage sides (even if they are struggling to be competitive).

Sad to see.

 

[Buddah]

Randy Guy,

I agree with what you are saying; the GDFL is definitely supportive of struggling clubs. When I was involved officially down at Newcomb we looked at the financial stability of the club and the long-term viability; the GDFL was a serious option.

They were waiting in the wings to take Newcomb.

But;

The BFL did EVERYTHING in their power to keep Newcomb in their competition. As a club we went down the road of committing to the BFL. And history shows that in the subsequent 9 years they have gone on to win 2 Premierships and held up their end of the commitment to stay with the BFL (in 2001).
For the League to turn around during Newcomb's rebuilding and threaten their existence is arrogance and pathetic.

It is in a time like this club's need the support from everyone who has been involved or committed to a club that has gone through hard times.
It isn't about the jumper you are wearing it is about the tradition you bring to the competition
Loose Newcomb and you loose a part of the history from the sides that play/ have played against them.... You also loose history from the competition (BFL) itself!

I appreciate the situation the power are in but why should the gdfl except them when they are in such a horibble state, I'm sure when use were winning flags and playing finals use weren't interested in gdfl so I doubt any gdfl club would vote to have you in their league and as for Lorne there definately no chance. Werribee arnt gunna drive from there to Lorne for a home and away game and I couldn't see any of the other clubs wanting to do that either. As for winning four games for the year it's pritty simple play your seniors at 12:00 and reserves at 2:00 for 3 games there's your four wins and you stay in bfl. Football Geelong can't stop you for doing that.

 

[BrownSugar]

Well from the outside it looks like it's time to look after #1 at Newcomb and I'd be jumping ship NOW!

The GDFL would love another team up the road from Buckley's.

If I had to make decisions on my own to save the club i'd do something like this.

• Contact Lorne to see what they were looking at doing for next season.
• Contact the GDFL with your intention to affiliate, with or without Lorne.
• Change the name back to the dino's (this might help get some of the older/past people back down there, and bring back the old jumper.
• Contact every single person that has ever had anything to do with the club and get them on board.

• Maybe even get the cricket/Netball on-board and make a sports club committee with people that have the best interest for the sports club.

And also I'm sure your players/supporters would enjoy seeing a win or two while you rebuild, that won't happen in the BFL.

No idea if it would work but that's how I'd approach it, or something like that.

Spot on in what you are saying here. Lorne will be in the BFL within two seasons. Most of their players are from Geelong anyway and they need to make the move to stay alive. Newcomb merging with Lorne is not practical and wouldn't happen anyway. Newcomb's new home should be the GDFL. If Football Geelong won't adopt Promotion/Relegation, the clubs will eventually see that it will happen anyway, just like this example. Geographically, Newcomb is more suited to the GDFL and Lorne being a coastal side would join the BFL. Anakie are proving that re-building is possible. Do as RandyGuy suggested above and you are on your way. Change the league first and give the GDFL an undertaking that your first project is to get a re-built junior system in place. Just try and be competitive whilst your getting your off-field structure in place and if you aren't then so be it. Off-field HAS to be in place before on-field for the club to stay alive.

 

[Randy Guy]

Spot on in what you are saying here. Lorne will be in the BFL within two seasons. Most of their players are from Geelong anyway and they need to make the move to stay alive. Newcomb merging with Lorne is not practical and wouldn't happen anyway. Newcomb's new home should be the GDFL. If Football Geelong won't adopt Promotion/Relegation, the clubs will eventually see that it will happen anyway, just like this example. Geographically, Newcomb is more suited to the GDFL and Lorne being a coastal side would join the BFL. Anakie are proving that re-building is possible. Do as RandyGuy suggested above and you are on your way. Change the league first and give the GDFL an undertaking that your first project is to get a re-built junior system in place. Just try and be competitive whilst your getting your off-field structure in place and if you aren't then so be it. Off-field HAS to be in place before on-field for the club to stay alive.

I wasn't suggesting they merge Brown Sugar even know it does sound that way.

I was suggest that if Lorne are also looking to move, look at approaching the GDFL together. They'd be more likely to add two teams at this stage than just one (They won't want the bye IMO).

 

[muttonchops]

Yesterday i said i was sceptical about Football Geelong actually setting a criteria to boot Newcomb out of the BFL. Well according to the Addy today that is very much the case. One of the key criteria is to win at least 2 senior games. Lets be honest that doesnt look like happening.

I am astounded that FG are looking at getting rid of a club. I think it is a disgrace. They should be supporting them. To be honest i have played against Newcomb, and i am not their biggest fan, especially when they went a bought a couple of flags, i guess footy karma does happen.

But the last thing i would want to happen is to see them fold or be kicked out. Yes they have made mistakes everyone knows that. But a 9 team BFL will be a worse league than it is now. I just dont get it. Why wern't Portarlington kicked out years ago for poor onfield performance, they were far worse and for longer than Newcomb.

I sense that FG have a plan, a 9 team comp is not ideal and i think they want Lorne in, thats my feeling.

I hope Newcomb can stick around, even if its in the GDFL but as a matter of priority FG must start looking into promotion relegation across all 3 leagues or Newcomb wont be the last club to face extinction.

 

[dickkyboy]

It's disgusting and totally unacceptable by Football Geelong.

Noise is being made at VCFL level to step in and straighten Football Geelong out - KPI's are one thing; but to send a financial and participating club to its grave is another.

The number one KPI at VCFL level is player retention. This action by one of its members (Football Geelong) is in direct contradiction of that...

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[Drago]

I hope Newcomb can stick around, even if its in the GDFL but as a matter of priority FG must start looking into promotion relegation across all 3 leagues or Newcomb wont be the last club to face extinction.

Agree its a disgrace and adds fire to the cause of the relegation/promotion bleaters but please explain how this system would help Newcomb or North Shore or any other club either going up or down.

Ask yourself has it been a success for the cricket in Geelong? And if it is so great why don't all the leagues do it. Given this then someone detail the pros and cons so a proper debate can begin.

 

[Caromadorf]

It is my understanding that to be affiated in a VCFL league a club must have 1sts, 2nds and under 18's. Newcomb, as well as Portarlington, do not meet this criteria. Newcomb is only 30 odd years old and was started when it was in a growth area which now it is not. My information is that Football Geelong are in fact trying to assist Newcomb in staying in the BFL. The Article in the GA today is a defection. Newcomb should look at itself before it balmes everybody else for its problems. Football Geelong put in an administrator last time they were struggling and as soon as they hot back on there feet they went out a bought eveyone that moved. Where are they going to get players from internaly without under 18's. The Leopold, Newcomb, Thomson, East Geelong, St Albans area has about 2 too many clubs now. That is 225 senior and 110 under 18 players a week. Too many for none growth areas and when Armstrong Creek comes on line it only going to get worst. Football Geelong and the GDFL need to bite the bullet and realign clubs to more suitable areas. No one will like it but it beats the alternative.

 

[Drago]

Where are they going to get players from internaly without under 18's. The Leopold, Newcomb, Thomson, East Geelong, St Albans area has about 2 too many clubs now. That is 225 senior and 110 under 18 players a week. Too many for none growth areas and when Armstrong Creek comes on line it only going to get worst. Football Geelong and the GDFL need to bite the bullet and realign clubs to more suitable areas. No one will like it but it beats the alternative.

Absolutely agree.

There is no easy answer to this issue and unfortunately I think in the end clubs will dissapear.

 

[muttonchops]

Agree its a disgrace and adds fire to the cause of the relegation/promotion bleaters but please explain how this system would help Newcomb or North Shore or any other club either going up or down.

Ask yourself has it been a success for the cricket in Geelong? And if it is so great why don't all the leagues do it. Given this then someone detail the pros and cons so a proper debate can begin.

I think it is obvious how being relegated can help a club. In both the case of Newcomb and North Shore competing at a lower level at least the club would have a few wins and be competitive, maybe even make finals. Surely that is a more attractive proposition than they currently have when they get thrashed every week. Easier to attract player with the prospect of winning than losing.

I dont really know much about local cricket so i dont know if it has been a success. But the system does operate very successfully in the VAFA and a few other leagues as well. So i dont see why not. If you want to have a look in the North Shore thread i have detailed a mock 3 div comp in there. I think it would be a great idea. Have look at it and let me know what you think. Its only rough but i does look more equal than the current set up. Just remember the main thing stopping this is the pigheadedness of most GFL clubs, they need to look at the big picture.

 

[bossco]

I have absolutely no sympathy for Newcomb. They are in this position due to absolute mismanagement of the club over an extended period of time. They were bailed out the last time with the help of the FG commission, obtained excellent sponsorship and proceeded to spend every cent on buying a flag. Not one thought or cent was given to shore up the club for the future. It is every other club in Football Geelong that has been footing the bill for Newcombs affiliation fees over the last few years so i can understand why all member clubs have said enough is enough.
It is heartbreaking to long time families of the club understandably, but there is no excuse for prolonged periods of poor management.

 

[COZMIC]

I have absolutely no sympathy for Newcomb. They are in this position due to absolute mismanagement of the club over an extended period of time. They were bailed out the last time with the help of the FG commission, obtained excellent sponsorship and proceeded to spend every cent on buying a flag. Not one thought or cent was given to shore up the club for the future. It is every other club in Football Geelong that has been footing the bill for Newcombs affiliation fees over the last few years so i can understand why all member clubs have said enough is enough.
It is heartbreaking to long time families of the club understandably, but there is no excuse for prolonged periods of poor management.

This guy has no idea of the hard work of people at the club and what has gone and going on off field. None of this would be going on if management of the club was the issue.

Think he has his facts mixed up in his opinion.

Great to see over 1000 people have joined the DINO'S facebook page in support of the club, and I see that 20 u/10 kids have come out of the woodwork due to the publicity. The FACT is the club needs juniors and has been working hard to get them for a number years so this is fantastic!

Stay positive NFNC.
"Others may fall by the shores but not the MIGHTY DINOSAURS"

 

[onevoive]

I truly hope they can keep those juniors and build on them. I helped out a bit at Newcomb with the juniors about 10 years ago. Just a few of the kids in the under 10" and 11's (in those days) were Stavenuiter, McKee, Fawlkes, Darrington,The Lovett boys and that's just off the top of my head from memory. They'd have a pretty handy team if they'd managed to keep most of their juniors. At that period it was very hard getting a full team rock up each week. Not being a snob but being in a lower socio economic area saw a lot of kids with parents who couldn't get them to games in the mornings, if they did show up they didn't know where their footy jumper was, their parents were hung over or just crap parents who didn't put their kids first. Some weeks we had to get players from the opposition fill up the numbers. I REALLY hope things have changed and that the new breed of parents make a committment to the club, team and more importantly, their kids. Newcomb is a proud and hard working club and deserve their place in the league. Will all these people with long memories who are bagging them for buying a premiership be doing the same to Joeys and the likes in years to come? What's the difference? Also, someone said they have 1000 joined the support on facebook. Fantastic but there are probably many more who would join but don't have a facebook set up (cos they prefer REAL friends!!) AND, Craig Morrison is a champ. he was plugging away with the juniors way back then and still is now I see.