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[VitalDread]

It's also possible that they knew his heritage but had never got the documents to prove it. Don't know the exact details.

Until your draft year
You dont have to prove documents about your heritage
But a lot of players already prove their stuff when they join the academy

Doco wise: afl indigenous welfare speak to the player and their community to fact check

 

[bobs head soup]

It is probably operating as intended.

I think most get the need for northern academies and support the general idea.

The price discounts and trade mechanics badly need addressing though.

Prior to this years trade period, GCS had 1 1st round draft pick (pick 4).

They turned that into 4 first rounders (picks 3, 9, 14 & 26) and a future first (ours), so 5 first rounders for the price of one.

No knock on them, any other club would play the system that way if given the opportunity, but that is wildly unsustainable.

 

[weltschmerz]

It's also possible that they knew his heritage but had never got the documents to prove it. Don't know the exact details.

Yep, he’s known his heritage for a long time, played for the Flying Boomerangs and was on a First Nations scholarship.

 

[Pugz89]

Short of pushing out Bailey Smith or some other big name how do we load up on future picks next year? We've already run down our draft assets for 2024 to get Sanders.

2024 trade period we trade out our future first round pick for extra 2024 picks.

 

[Bulldog rick]

Ideally the NGA ruling should be changing to North Academy ruling

Totally agree with this view point. It's fantastic that the Northern academies have put in the work and have developed great talent. Don't understand why some think this is unfair. Likewise, the same rules should apply to the NGA academies when it comes to matching draft picks. My only proviso would be their needs to be some time limit served to claim a player. You couldn't just claim a player with just a couple of months before a draft like North did with Sanders.

 

[Bulldog rick]

Can anyone tell me why was the NGA rule changed to matching drafts after pick 40?
Is it because we got Marra at pick one? Or was it decided well before then?

 

[ossie_21]

Can anyone tell me why was the NGA rule changed to matching drafts after pick 40?
Is it because we got Marra at pick one? Or was it decided well before then?

It was because we got JUH at #1 that the AFL commission changed it. 2021 was pic could only be matched inside the top 20, then 40 since last year/2022

 

[Dogs_r_barking]

Didn’t they say they are dropping it to #21 next year.

 

[weltschmerz]

Can anyone tell me why was the NGA rule changed to matching drafts after pick 40?
Is it because we got Marra at pick one? Or was it decided well before then?

A little minnow club like the Dogs benefitted too much and other teams threw fits until it was changed.

 

[dogwatch]

2024 trade period we trade out our future first round pick for extra 2024 picks.

No that won't work. In fact I think it's the opposite of what's required.

Unless I've missed his point VD is saying that we won't need to do much bid-matching next year. So we need to start accumulating some future picks for the following year so we can match bids in 2025 for our collection of FS kids who will become draft eligible (and maybe some NGAs too?)

The fact that we have already traded out our 2024 first rounder is going to make it much harder.

Or are we planning to offload one of our top players in exchange for picks?

 

[Bulldog rick]

The AFL is a basket case.

 

[doggies ftw]

No that won't work. In fact I think it's the opposite of what's required.

Unless I've missed his point VD is saying that we won't need to do much bid-matching next year. So we need to start accumulating some future picks for the following year so we can match bids in 2025 for our collection of FS kids who will become draft eligible (and maybe some NGAs too?)

The fact that we have already traded out our 2024 first rounder is going to make it much harder.

Or are we planning to offload one of our top players in exchange for picks?

In the current system there’s genuinely no need to plan ahead (unless you’re gonna have 4 first rounders…)

Downgrade your first & 2nd for late picks, bank a pick or two for the inevitable fringe players you trade out every year and you’ve got no problem matching a couple of early F/S

 

[dogwatch]

In the current system there’s genuinely no need to plan ahead (unless you’re gonna have 4 first rounders…)

Downgrade your first & 2nd for late picks, bank a pick or two for the inevitable fringe players you trade out every year and you’ve got no problem matching a couple of early F/S

i agree you sometimes have to be able to adapt your plans quickly during trade period but I certainly hope Sammy hasn’t adopted your line of thinking.

 

[doggies ftw]

i agree you sometimes have to be able to adapt your plans quickly during trade period but I certainly hope Sammy hasn’t adopted your line of thinking.

As in no need to move your picks back a year for F/S you’re actually just wasting them by doing that. Just do what everyone does and downgrade your 1st & 2nd for later picks in the current year and you’ll be able to cover any bid.

We won’t need to trade picks into 2025 - If they change the system between now & then reassess

 

[BLACAE]

Saw on Facebook Adam Cooney

Adam Cooney

Age

38

Ht

187cm

Wt

83kg

Pos.

Fwd

Career

Season

Last 5

D

21.7

5star

K

11.5

4star

HB

10.2

5star

M

4.0

4star

T

2.7

4star

G

0.8

4star

No current season stats available

D

10.2

3star

K

6.6

3star

HB

3.6

3star

M

2.6

3star

T

2.0

4star

G

0.8

4star

was asked some questions about the top 8 etc. Said his fav clubs are the Dogs and Dons and mentioned that he wants his son taken as FS. I'm really happy with that as the rift between him and the club has clearly been repaired. I must admit I was a little worried his son wouldn't nominate us if the rift was still there.

On SM-G990E using BigFooty.com mobile app

 

[VitalDread]

Saw on Facebook Adam Cooney was asked some questions about the top 8 etc. Said his fav clubs are the Dogs and Dons and mentioned that he wants his son taken as FS. I'm really happy with that as the rift between him and the club has clearly been repaired. I must admit I was a little worried his son wouldn't nominate us if the rift was still there.

On SM-G990E using BigFooty.com mobile app

His son rejoined the academy I think 2 years ago
Bevo and Bains have done a great job with reconnecting with past players

 

[Hoges64]

Saw on Facebook Adam Cooney

Adam Cooney

Age

38

Ht

187cm

Wt

83kg

Pos.

Fwd

Career

Season

Last 5

D

21.7

5star

K

11.5

4star

HB

10.2

5star

M

4.0

4star

T

2.7

4star

G

0.8

4star

No current season stats available

D

10.2

3star

K

6.6

3star

HB

3.6

3star

M

2.6

3star

T

2.0

4star

G

0.8

4star

was asked some questions about the top 8 etc. Said his fav clubs are the Dogs and Dons and mentioned that he wants his son taken as FS. I'm really happy with that as the rift between him and the club has clearly been repaired. I must admit I was a little worried his son wouldn't nominate us if the rift was still there.

On SM-G990E using BigFooty.com mobile app

Yay, ANOTHER tall forward.

When it rains it pours.

 

[_Cerberus_]

Yay, ANOTHER tall forward.

When it rains it pours.

We need to retire Daniel to stud and get him into a breeding program asap to balance it out.
We are starting to look like an NBA team at this rate.

 

[dogwatch]

We need to retire Daniel to stud and get him into a breeding program asap to balance it out.
We are starting to look like an NBA team at this rate.

I hope there are no technical problems with your cunning plan.

 

[VitalDread]

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The AFL will overhaul the national draft to force clubs to pay a fairer market rate to secure father-son or academy players.
AFL head of football Laura Kane wrote to all clubs in October before the national draft, putting them on notice of the plan to review the system. The review of the draft – and a call for suggested changes – will be a top agenda item at a meeting between the AFL and club general managers of football on Thursday.

The Magpies used four late picks to secure father-son Nick Daicos at pick four in the 2021 national draft.CREDIT:AFL PHOTOS
Two senior AFL sources who could not be quoted because of the confidentiality of discussions said the review was being conducted with an intent to make changes that would make the system fairer.
The problem of the current points system was brought into sharp focus this year due to five players being taken by the northern academies and two father-sons being selected the Bulldogs and Hawthorn in what became a bloated first round that stretched out to 29 picks. There were only 64 players taken in total in last week’s national draft.
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Veteran administrator Geoff Walsh, who has been hired part-time by the AFL, will oversee the draft review as part of a broader competitive balance review the league committed to in the latest collective bargaining agreement.
With clubs having already traded 2024 picks it is doubtful any changes would be introduced before next year’s draft.

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The points system, or the draft value index, assigns a value to selections, with pick No.1 having the highest value and decreasing onwards.
Routinely clubs with highly rated academy or father-son prospects can secure more points to match bids on the player by trading one early pick and getting multiple later picks in return.

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Thus, when Collingwood matched a bid for Nick Daicos at pick 4 two years ago they used picks 38, 40, 42 and 44 to achieve the required points. The Bulldogs did similarly with Sam Darcy that year when he was chosen at No. 2, and a year earlier when Jamarra Ugle-Hagan was bid on at pick one.
Similarly, Gold Coast, who began this year’s trade period with pick No. 4, were able to move that selection and ultimately secure sufficient points to match bids on four academy players in the first round.
As part of the review the AFL will also revisit an option put forward by Collingwood’s head of football Graham Wright and Geelong’s then list manager Stephen Wells at the time the points system was devised.

Gold Coast matched a bid at pick three for top-rated academy product Jed Walter in the 2023 draft. CREDIT:JUSTIN MCMANUS
Under the arrangement, if a bid comes for a father-son or academy player in round one, a club would have to use a first-round pick to match. If the club had bids on two players in the opening round, they would need to use two first-round picks, either by trading for an extra selection or by using their future first-rounder.
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This alternative scenario required that a club matching a bid on a player would have to use a pick no more than nine selections (half a round) later than when a bid arrived. If, for example, a bid came for a player at pick two and the club didn’t have a first-round selection until pick 15, they would need to trade up the order to obtain a pick no later than 11. Or the club would need to use pick 15 and their second-round pick.
The Wright-Wells alternative was not pitched as a solution, but rather as framework from which a system could be fine-tuned.
A source with knowledge of another scenario, who did not wish to be named as they had not made the suggestion, said another option was to keep the basic points system but only allow clubs to use the points attached to two draft picks to match any bid on a player.
The AFL does not want to change academy rules, the priority access for the northern academies or father-son rules, but wants to simplify the system and require clubs to use picks closer to the initial bid.

The Lions matched early bids for father-sons Jaspa Fletcher and Will Ashcroft in 2022.CREDIT:GETTY IMAGES
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Brisbane Lions CEO Greg Swann warned the AFL against overreacting to this year’s “freakish” draft when Gold Coast had four academy players in the opening round.
Under current rules, clubs outside Queensland and NSW cannot match bids on next generation academy players if a bid comes for them inside the first 40. The NSW and Queensland teams however can match bids on their academy players no matter when they come on draft night.
“The Vics will whinge and carry on so they’ll put pressure on,” Swann said on SEN. “But this is a little bit of an anomaly and people are carrying on a bit much just because of one draft.”
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[Bulldog rick]

Bozo the Clown must be enjoying this another chance to screw up the draft points system. Agree with Greg Swann's viewpoint. Too many sooky la la's getting upset over spilt milk.

 

[House_of_Dahl]

The AFL will probably bring in harsher Father Son rules just prior to our bumper crop that is due in 2025...

 

[Northernsoul74]

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The AFL will overhaul the national draft to force clubs to pay a fairer market rate to secure father-son or academy players.
AFL head of football Laura Kane wrote to all clubs in October before the national draft, putting them on notice of the plan to review the system. The review of the draft – and a call for suggested changes – will be a top agenda item at a meeting between the AFL and club general managers of football on Thursday.

The Magpies used four late picks to secure father-son Nick Daicos at pick four in the 2021 national draft.CREDIT:AFL PHOTOS
Two senior AFL sources who could not be quoted because of the confidentiality of discussions said the review was being conducted with an intent to make changes that would make the system fairer.
The problem of the current points system was brought into sharp focus this year due to five players being taken by the northern academies and two father-sons being selected the Bulldogs and Hawthorn in what became a bloated first round that stretched out to 29 picks. There were only 64 players taken in total in last week’s national draft.
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Veteran administrator Geoff Walsh, who has been hired part-time by the AFL, will oversee the draft review as part of a broader competitive balance review the league committed to in the latest collective bargaining agreement.
With clubs having already traded 2024 picks it is doubtful any changes would be introduced before next year’s draft.

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The points system, or the draft value index, assigns a value to selections, with pick No.1 having the highest value and decreasing onwards.
Routinely clubs with highly rated academy or father-son prospects can secure more points to match bids on the player by trading one early pick and getting multiple later picks in return.

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Thus, when Collingwood matched a bid for Nick Daicos at pick 4 two years ago they used picks 38, 40, 42 and 44 to achieve the required points. The Bulldogs did similarly with Sam Darcy that year when he was chosen at No. 2, and a year earlier when Jamarra Ugle-Hagan was bid on at pick one.
Similarly, Gold Coast, who began this year’s trade period with pick No. 4, were able to move that selection and ultimately secure sufficient points to match bids on four academy players in the first round.
As part of the review the AFL will also revisit an option put forward by Collingwood’s head of football Graham Wright and Geelong’s then list manager Stephen Wells at the time the points system was devised.

Gold Coast matched a bid at pick three for top-rated academy product Jed Walter in the 2023 draft. CREDIT:JUSTIN MCMANUS
Under the arrangement, if a bid comes for a father-son or academy player in round one, a club would have to use a first-round pick to match. If the club had bids on two players in the opening round, they would need to use two first-round picks, either by trading for an extra selection or by using their future first-rounder.
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This alternative scenario required that a club matching a bid on a player would have to use a pick no more than nine selections (half a round) later than when a bid arrived. If, for example, a bid came for a player at pick two and the club didn’t have a first-round selection until pick 15, they would need to trade up the order to obtain a pick no later than 11. Or the club would need to use pick 15 and their second-round pick.
The Wright-Wells alternative was not pitched as a solution, but rather as framework from which a system could be fine-tuned.
A source with knowledge of another scenario, who did not wish to be named as they had not made the suggestion, said another option was to keep the basic points system but only allow clubs to use the points attached to two draft picks to match any bid on a player.
The AFL does not want to change academy rules, the priority access for the northern academies or father-son rules, but wants to simplify the system and require clubs to use picks closer to the initial bid.

The Lions matched early bids for father-sons Jaspa Fletcher and Will Ashcroft in 2022.CREDIT:GETTY IMAGES
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Brisbane Lions CEO Greg Swann warned the AFL against overreacting to this year’s “freakish” draft when Gold Coast had four academy players in the opening round.
Under current rules, clubs outside Queensland and NSW cannot match bids on next generation academy players if a bid comes for them inside the first 40. The NSW and Queensland teams however can match bids on their academy players no matter when they come on draft night.
“The Vics will whinge and carry on so they’ll put pressure on,” Swann said on SEN. “But this is a little bit of an anomaly and people are carrying on a bit much just because of one draft.”
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Clubs will be held to ransom if they’ve got to go and look for a second first rounder on the night.

 

[Dogs_r_barking]

Brisbane will be worried as they have another gun f/s next year.

It’s also up to the other clubs to keep them honest, for instance Norf should have put in a bid at #2 this year on the GC player, and GWS not putting a bid in on Daicos when they should have. Then you get Adelaide putting a bid on Marra to stop us having enough points for a player they wanted (not that it worked out for them).

 

[Testekill]

Honestly it did need an overhaul, it's ridiculous that someone can pay for pick 2 with a bunch of second and third round picks.