Next Generation

[Sphynx]

I'd like to see Jack Edwards go and do a Div 2 County Stint.

He bowls that 127-130kph speed range that hoops with the Duke over there. Watto used to be able to make it talk at that speed, so do a dozen county quicks. Anderson also in his latter years.

62 wickets @ 26 at that speed in the Shield is nothing to be sneezed at.

He's taken 20 wickets @ 21 with a 46 SR this season.

The fact he's also averaging nearly 30 with the bat with 2 tons, he's a bit of a left field watch for me down the track.

He will never get picked for an Australian debut in Australia as a specialist bowler with those speed, unless he can start averaging 35+ with the bat, however, if he does a few stints in England and takes piles of wickets, he may be a swing bowling 4th option imo over there for away tours in England, New Zealand and South Africa imo.

Somewhere like Yorkshire on Headingly regularly would be good.

 

[1990crow]

I'd like to see Jack Edwards go and do a Div 2 County Stint.

He bowls that 127-130kph speed range that hoops with the Duke over there. Watto used to be able to make it talk at that speed, so do a dozen county quicks. Anderson also in his latter years.

62 wickets @ 26 at that speed in the Shield is nothing to be sneezed at.

He's taken 20 wickets @ 21 with a 46 SR this season.

The fact he's also averaging nearly 30 with the bat with 2 tons, he's a bit of a left field watch for me down the track.

He will never get picked for an Australian debut in Australia as a specialist bowler with those speed, unless he can start averaging 35+ with the bat, however, if he does a few stints in England and takes piles of wickets, he may be a swing bowling 4th option imo over there for away tours in England, New Zealand and South Africa imo.

I feel like he's a long way from being international quality.
Sutherland is a far superior player.

 

[Sphynx]

I feel like he's a long way from being international quality.
Sutherland is a far superior player.

Sutherland is definitely the better bowler.

And Edwards is the far superior batsman.

Sutherland needs to get picked as specialist bowler. He's not an all rounder, he probably bats behind both Starc and Cummins hypothetically tbh.

Edwards definitely has all-around potential in the same way Webster has progressed in domestic cricket if he can improve his batting by 20%.

I was merely talking about England away, I think his game is really suited to the English domestic scene. Where his bowling might be more of a weapon. I don't think it's test standard, particularly at home, despite his numbers in the Shield.

 

[Coops93]

It's been a while since we've had a shorter genuine tearaway quick in the Australian setup.

Pretty much the prototypical Aussie fast bowler of the last 25 years is 6"4-6"6 and relies on bounce and seam movement.

The skiddy express quicks are always the most freightful.

His action and load into the crease, coupled with his height and bowling speed at 19 reminds me a lot of Dale Steyn.

Both Steyn and Malcolm Marshall were both around the 5'10-5'11 mark.


If he can perform in the Shield, his emergence will be well timed with the ages of Starc and Hazlewood imo.

I saw someone else mention it, but Jye Richardson. Less so now since his injuries but prior to his shoulder problems he was touching the high 140s regularly, it was a while ago but I'm fairly sure he was over 150 on occasion when really cranked up.

 

[Coops93]

Having an absolute dog of a BBL season.

I still have a lot of faith he'll make it, although I imagine a lot of people on this board will disagree with me.

I think the conversation around him needs to change. When in the Australian set up and so far through the BBL all the talk from coaches/team mates has been more or less "We're not going to ask him to reign it in, we want him to go as hard as he can from ball 1 because that's the way he plays best"

That needs to change. It's clearly not working, he needs to learn how to build into an innings. It's amazing that he has the power and ability to clear any boundary by 20 metres, but trying to do that from ball 1 has never worked for anyone regularly except perhaps Chris Gayle, and there's a reason that he's the best short form hitter the game has ever seen.

If the broader set up of CA wants him to succeed and reach his potential someone actually needs to tell him to bring it in a bit and not try to hit the ball out of the stadium from ball 1. Just backing in his blind slogging won't work for anything.

 

[toml]

Watched the highlights of JFM's debut List A 50 for the Vics last night. Maybe he needs to have a watch to remind himself he used to play shots other than the cross bat slog to cow

 

[western royboy]

I think the conversation around him needs to change. When in the Australian set up and so far through the BBL all the talk from coaches/team mates has been more or less "We're not going to ask him to reign it in, we want him to go as hard as he can from ball 1 because that's the way he plays best"

That needs to change. It's clearly not working, he needs to learn how to build into an innings. It's amazing that he has the power and ability to clear any boundary by 20 metres, but trying to do that from ball 1 has never worked for anyone regularly except perhaps Chris Gayle, and there's a reason that he's the best short form hitter the game has ever seen.

If the broader set up of CA wants him to succeed and reach his potential someone actually needs to tell him to bring it in a bit and not try to hit the ball out of the stadium from ball 1. Just backing in his blind slogging won't work for anything.

Those days are gone, very few coaches in these set ups tell hard truths, its just the way it is. Very few of these “extreme talent” kids have ever been told no

 

[toml]

Obviously BBL is very different to Shield cricket but I think Bryant should definitely be given a crack when the season resumes. He's playing with a lot of confidence and maturity at the moment, and there's a lack of other batters in the QLD set-up that can consistently keep the scoreboard ticking over.

Be good to see Weibgen given a crack too. Probably has a higher ceiling than most of the batters that were in the team in the first part of the season.

Yep, I'd be happy to see either of them get a good run. Max has always had all the natural talent in the world but I think been front and centre for all to see in the BBL world from 18 or so took a bit a toll on him. Definitely seems to have matured a lot in recent years and the move to the middle order definitely seems to be doing him a world of good. Still only 25 so plenty of time for him.