Next Generation

[Bucking Beads]

CA XI squad: Charlie Anderson, Gabe Bell, Hugo Burdon, Jack Clayton, Sam Elliott, Cameron Gannon, Jayden Goodwin, Peter Handscomb, Lachie Hearne, Ryan Hicks, Henry Hunt, Rafael MacMillan, Corey Rocchiccioli, Jem Ryan, Tim Ward, Tom Whitney

Keen to see how Jem Ryan goes. Playing some good cricket at grade level in QLD over the last few seasons.

 

[corbies]

‘I don’t see it happening’: Zampa’s damning message to aspiring leg-spinners as star opens up on Test omission

‘I don’t see it happening’: Zampa’s damning message as star opens up on Test omission

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Or is it because you suck in red ball cricket?

Not really sure what he's actually said there that is incorrect?

 

[eth-dog]

CA XI squad: Charlie Anderson, Gabe Bell, Hugo Burdon, Jack Clayton, Sam Elliott, Cameron Gannon, Jayden Goodwin, Peter Handscomb, Lachie Hearne, Ryan Hicks, Henry Hunt, Rafael MacMillan, Corey Rocchiccioli, Jem Ryan, Tim Ward, Tom Whitney

Guessing Hicks will be keeper.

Ward
Hunt
Goodwin
Handscomb (c)
Clayton
Burdon
Hicks (+)
Elliott
Rocchiccioli
Whitney
Bell

Don't know much about Anderson, MacMillan or Ryan though tbf

 

[eth-dog]

Swepson is bowling pretty well this summer tbh. He would of easily been in the discussion ahead of Zampa I would of thought.

I think Swepson, Sangha, Pope and D Short are all better options than him as far as wrist spinners go.

Not really sure what he's actually said there that is incorrect?

I can easily see Tanveer playing a lot of test cricket. It's just a matter of him not being good enough.

 

[Bucking Beads]

I think Swepson, Sangha, Pope and D Short are all better options than him as far as wrist spinners go.

I can easily see Tanveer playing a lot of test cricket. It's just a matter of him not being good enough.

Tanveer has talent but unfortunately untimely injuries and some bad form have held him back. He is still very young and should develop nicely if given the right guidance.

 

[Coops93]

‘I don’t see it happening’: Zampa’s damning message to aspiring leg-spinners as star opens up on Test omission

‘I don’t see it happening’: Zampa’s damning message as star opens up on Test omission

www.foxsports.com.au

Or is it because you suck in red ball cricket?

"I didn't get picked because wrist spin in test cricket is dead" says the guy who has played 1 red ball game in 5 yrs, which was only because his state side were forced into it and they didn't actually want him.

I mean, if anyone is the authority on these things, it's that guy.

 

[Westend]

CA XI squad: Charlie Anderson, Gabe Bell, Hugo Burdon, Jack Clayton, Sam Elliott, Cameron Gannon, Jayden Goodwin, Peter Handscomb, Lachie Hearne, Ryan Hicks, Henry Hunt, Rafael MacMillan, Corey Rocchiccioli, Jem Ryan, Tim Ward, Tom Whitney

Gannon ????....yeah nah..what about Paris or Couch ??

Honestly what does Paris have to do for national honours in any format

I just don't get it

 

[Coops93]

Gannon ????....yeah nah..what about Paris or Couch ??

Honestly what does Paris have to do for national honours in any format

I just don't get it

Iirc when he got a shot at a couple of ODIs it didn't exactly go great for him.

 

[corbies]

Gannon ????....yeah nah..what about Paris or Couch ??

Honestly what does Paris have to do for national honours in any format

I just don't get it

The squad is just guys without BBL contracts. Relax.

 

[toml]

Gannon ????....yeah nah..what about Paris or Couch ??

Honestly what does Paris have to do for national honours in any format

I just don't get it

They've just picked this squad from people not playing Big Bash. He might be in for the A team match at the end of month.

 

[ioppolo]

Iirc when he got a shot at a couple of ODIs it didn't exactly go great for him.

On some nice highways it has to be said.

 

[big_e]

‘I don’t see it happening’: Zampa’s damning message to aspiring leg-spinners as star opens up on Test omission

‘I don’t see it happening’: Zampa’s damning message as star opens up on Test omission

www.foxsports.com.au

Or is it because you suck in red ball cricket?

I like Adam Zampa and have suggested in the past that he should have been considered for tours of the sub-continent, but if you have a "burning desire" to play test cricket, you have to play more red-ball cricket than he does. If it means asking selectors to leave you out of white-ball teams so you can play shield cricket, then do it. If it means moving states to play shield cricket, do it. (And if it means playing grade cricket first, then do that, too.) If it means playing second-division county cricket, do it. And not just a few months before a tour.

 

[Coops93]

On some nice highways it has to be said.

Just looked up the games, both scores around 300. Fairly bog standard for ODIs really so doesn't scream batters paradise. Though his figures in comparison to the others aren't awful, was far from the worst tbf.

 

[eth-dog]

I like Adam Zampa and have suggested in the past that he should have been considered for tours of the sub-continent, but if you have a "burning desire" to play test cricket, you have to play more red-ball cricket than he does. If it means asking selectors to leave you out of white-ball teams so you can play shield cricket, then do it. If it means moving states to play shield cricket, do it. (And if it means playing grade cricket first, then do that, too.) If it means playing second-division county cricket, do it. And not just a few months before a tour.

He's honestly terrible at FC cricket. He averages 47, his economy rate is virtually 4 RPO, a strike rate over 70 and it isn't as if he hasn't had plenty of chances at 41 FC games, which is more than enough to establish yourself as a spinner, especially considering his home games have been in the two most spin friendly states.

Great white ball bowler. Terrible red ball bowler.

 

[Coops93]

He's honestly terrible at FC cricket. He averages 47, his economy rate is virtually 4 RPO, a strike rate over 70 and it isn't as if he hasn't had plenty of chances at 41 FC games, which is more than enough to establish yourself as a spinner, especially considering his home games have been in the two most spin friendly states.

Great white ball bowler. Terrible red ball bowler.

I think broadly the thing with wrist spinners in particular is test cricket is so much more about flight, turn, accuracy and pace. Look at Warne, who bowled low 80s-high 70s prioritising big turn, generating dip and drift as well as flight. Ashwin too is modern spinner who was an all time great at tests, but often not picked in white ball (unlike Warne who was great, but in a different era of white ball cricket). Lyon too is one that values consistency while focussing on higher revs causing flight & drift variation.

In the short form they bowl faster, flatter and just try to hit the stumps. Turn doesn't really matter as much as trying to skid it on to the batter to attack the stumps. That can be awkward as a batter when you must score at 5+ per over, but in the long format you can face them knowing one isn't going to rip off the pitch, and they don't really have a ball to get you out. A lot of white ball wickets are pressure on the batter based forcing a shot. While Warne and Ash probably have about 15 different ways to make you get out.

It's just very different styles of bowling these days between tests & white ball for spinners. Aside from trying to spin the ball they're basically entirely different bowlers.

 

[Snake Charmer]

‘I don’t see it happening’: Zampa’s damning message to aspiring leg-spinners as star opens up on Test omission

‘I don’t see it happening’: Zampa’s damning message as star opens up on Test omission

www.foxsports.com.au

Or is it because you suck in red ball cricket?

Can’t suck at red ball cricket if you don’t play it..

 

[Snake Charmer]

Didn’t Cam Gannon represent the USA or try to? Weird pick given his age

 

[ioppolo]

Didn’t Cam Gannon represent the USA or try to? Weird pick given his age

He did five years ago. He's probably there as a senior member of the bowling brigade, much like Handscomb for the batsman.

 

[Snake Charmer]

He did five years ago. He's probably there as a senior member of the bowling brigade, much like Handscomb for the batsman.

I didn’t realise the game was today. Makes sense as most are on big bash duty

 

[toml]

Lachlan Hearne 106no off 62 at stumps (made 163 for Toombul last time he batted just before the christmas break too), second highest score of 29 to Ryan Hicks who is yet to play a FC match. Bleak day for the rest of the batsman. Gannon with 5 wickets, 2 to Rocchiccioli and Anderson and 1 to Macmillan

 

[eth-dog]

Lachlan Hearne 106no off 62 at stumps (made 163 for Toombul last time he batted just before the christmas break too), second highest score of 29 to Ryan Hicks who is yet to play a FC match. Bleak day for the rest of the batsman. Gannon with 5 wickets, 2 to Rocchiccioli and Anderson and 1 to Macmillan

What's your read on Hearne? I think he looks good but feels a bit inconsistent for me.

 

[Cleavy]

CAXI vs LIONS Cricket Scorecard, Tour match at Brisbane, January 14 - 17, 2025

Get cricket scorecard of Tour match, CAXI vs LIONS, England Lions in Australia 2024/25 at Ian Healy Oval, Brisbane dated January 14 - 17, 2025.

www.espncricinfo.com

so much for a 4 day game... might make it to the 3rd day

 

[Aussie_boy]

Anyone know if that has FC status? I'd assume not but it is a 4 day match with 11 a side.

 

[eth-dog]

Anyone know if that has FC status? I'd assume not but it is a 4 day match with 11 a side.

Nah it's 13 a side I think

 

[sabso]

Yeah 13 a side. Shoabs bashir has really made a case for test reselection here with 5-1-37-1 so far.

Also the match referee is someone called “K Wessels”. Not to be confused with Kepler Wessels who has acted as match referee for several BBL matches recently. Do a bit of due diligence please cricinfo.