Nic Naitanui.....If not now.....when?

[Hot Pocket]

He plays like ten minutes a game

 

[Bunk Moreland]

He averaged the highest amount of SC points out of any ruckman.

Along with key backman, the points mean less for the ruckmen.

 

[Kram]

The most overrated player in the history of the game.

 

[Hot Pocket]

And a terrible bloke, probably.

 

[Big Fresh]

He is so far over-rated it is ridiculous. Still can't believe he got AA over Jacobs. Even more laughable were the reports of a $5m/5 year contract pre-season. Does some great things very occasionally but for the remainder of the time he is very average and doesn't impact the game at all.

Jacobs
Hit outs: 30.96
Clearances: 1.50
Tackles: 1.42
Marks: 4.08
Contested marks: 0.88
Disposals: 13.38
Goals: 0.29

Naitanui
Hit outs: 24.68
Clearances: 2.91
Tackles: 3.41
Marks: 3.00
Contested marks: 2.05
Disposals: 13.05
Goals: 1.09

Naitanui was better than Jacobs in 2012.

Naitanui gets massively underrated around here (perhaps overrated in the media, but massively underrated on BigFooty). He's a gun footballer who's been in poor form due to injuries.

 

[SpuriousPea]

HAHA this thread.

He'll be fine.

 

[ep2018]

Wait until he manages a full preseason before we judge him, however I have my doubts too.

 

[Hot Pocket]

I don't think he ever will manage a full pre season. He's done.

 

[Demonic Ascent]

Maybe he can join Melbourne and pick 1 and 2 can play together. I imagine at that point the universe would implode on itself.

Maybe we'll take him off their hands if they take Watts in a direct swap.

 

[SpuriousPea]

And a terrible bloke, probably.

Not until he gets those millions comrade.

 

[Rack Watts]

What a stupid thread..
I'd have him at my club, and you'd all have him at yours.

 

[ZaharakisFTW]

Jacobs
Hit outs: 30.96
Clearances: 1.50
Tackles: 1.42
Marks: 4.08
Contested marks: 0.88
Disposals: 13.38
Goals: 0.29

Naitanui
Hit outs: 24.68
Clearances: 2.91
Tackles: 3.41
Marks: 3.00
Contested marks: 2.05
Disposals: 13.05
Goals: 1.09

Naitanui was better than Jacobs in 2012.

Naitanui gets massively underrated around here (perhaps overrated in the media, but massively underrated on BigFooty). He's a gun footballer who's been in poor form due to injuries.

Jacobs averaged more hitouts, marks and disposals. Not sure how you conclude from this that Natanui had a better year

 

[Donners]

Scott Lucas is being rather brutal in his assessment of him on SEN.

 

[Donakebab]

Jacobs averaged more hitouts, marks and disposals. Not sure how you conclude from this that Natanui had a better year

Because his hitouts to advantage was far higher and he had more impact on the scoreboard.

 

[Big Fresh]

Jacobs averaged more hitouts, marks and disposals. Not sure how you conclude from this that Natanui had a better year

Because he was better up forward and in the packs. I'd sacrifice those several hit outs for the extra goal, clearances, and tackles. The difference in disposals is negligible and Naitanui's contested marking was still much better.

 

[E Shed]

Be very sad for the game if he never manages to get properly fit again.
Perhaps get Lee Mathews to have a pot at him? seemed to get Sandi going for a few weeks.

 

[Underdog]

Because he was better up forward and in the packs. I'd sacrifice those several hit outs for the extra goal, clearances, and tackles. The difference in disposals is negligible and Naitanui's contested marking was still much better.

Additionally, courtesy of beatlesmith

In 2012, Naitanui was...

2nd in hitout win % (no surprises behind Sandi)

1st in hitout to advantage %

1st in clearance percentage for ruckmen

2nd in overall clearances for ruckmen (one behind Maric, expected because Maric plays much more in the middle)

1st in contested possessions for ruckmen (more than Judd, Bartel, Black and Deledio in fact)

1st in contested marks for ruckmen (45 followed by Cox with 38 and Maric with 30)

2nd in goals (behind Cox, finishing with 24 compared to Maric and Jacobs with 7 each)

1st in pressure acts for ruckmen

1st in champion data points for all ruckmen (13th best average in the AFL, I believe)

1st in coaches votes for all ruckmen

I'm pretty sure he was also 1st in the AFL for initiating scoring chains.

Just because he doesn't rate as highly on simplistic stats, doesn't mean statistics don't support his AA.

Basically, when he was in the ruck, he was more effective than any ruckman in the AFL. Unfortunately rather than padding total stats like some who didn't have a worthwhile alternative, he had to share duties with Cox.

 

[lmach]

So many morons in one thread.

 

[james Dean]

Do we get seduced by his ability to do the freakish things too much? For the hype he generates, the cold hard statistics are damning.

Well according to Mark Ricciuto, Naitanui, unlike every other player in the AFL doesn't get judged by stats

 

[kreglze]

Well according to Mark Ricciuto, Naitanui, unlike every other player in the AFL doesn't get judged by stats

Well that must mean Tim Sumner is god tier....

 

[Paganism]

So .... are you saying your judgement based on 2014 is .... really?

If you took the time to read carefully, I said it in response to being accused of starting this thread out of resentment at Nic's after the siren goal against us last year. I was tring to stress the point that it is not about that at all, I actually would like to see him dominate a game

 

[lewigie]

Hahahaha.

What are you laughing at?

Are you saying SC points aren't a real indicator of a player?

So how could you argue that disposals are a real indicator of a player?

He created a goal with that spoil last night, where he used his athleticism to make up ground against a Carlton player. Obviously he is playing like shit most of the time but signs like that atleast means he gives a ****. Coming off no preseason, and with stuffed groins, it's pretty understandable that he's not making much of an influence. This thread is basically kicking him when he's down and it will be bumped when he gets back into form.

You could say get back into.. All Australian form.

 

[Dagless]

If you took the time to read carefully, I said it in response to being accused of starting this thread out of resentment at Nic's after the siren goal against us last year. I was tring to stress the point that it is not about that at all, I actually would like to see him dominate a game

Sooooo you HAVE only watched 2013/14 games.

Righteo...

 

[jko'neal]

Still not convinced he has improved as a footballer, his athletic ability is never in question when fit but it's a concern when guys like Mike Pyke flys in never played the game, and doesn't look as lost as Naitanui does who is now up to 100 AFL games, and played as a kid.

 

[lmach]

And a terrible bloke, probably.

We know, Melbourne took that absolute spud Jack Watts over AA ruckman Naitanui, get over it.