Discussion Nick Dal Santo

[TassieSaint]

I agree entirely, whenever we lose, it's always Dal Santo this and Dal Santo that. And when we win, he's called a fair weather player! His job is to be a player who gets the ball after someone like Hayes gets in and under. If you criticize Dal for not getting in and under, you could just as easily criticize Max for not kicking any goals!

Agree completely. People criticize Dal Santo, you know oh when we're winning he's great when we're losing he's poor. Well no shit, he's an outside receiver and a bloody good one. There's nothing wrong with that, every good team needs one, and it just so happens that when our midfield is getting thrashed there's no one to get the ball to him, not his fault. People are happy to excuse Riewoldt when the supply dries up, no one tells him he should be in there getting his own ball instead of relying on others to give it to him so why is it different for Dal?

In case people haven't noticed, Ross has tried to make him in and under with some small success, he's 4th at the club for tackles AND contested possessions and yet he's still been criticized for being soft and shit etc. this year. He is not soft, he has not been that bad this year (should be top 10 in our B+F) and he is an attacking weapon, it's ridiculous to blame an outside player for not playing like an inside midfielder.

I will be absolutely spewing if we trade Dal Santo because the fact is that one day soon we will be sitting there watching Dal cut us to pieces for some other bastards on the way to another AA selection and think why the **** did we trade this guy?

 

[Big Carl]

Agree completely. People criticize Dal Santo, you know oh when we're winning he's great when we're losing he's poor. Well no shit, he's an outside receiver and a bloody good one. There's nothing wrong with that, every good team needs one, and it just so happens that when our midfield is getting thrashed there's no one to get the ball to him, not his fault. People are happy to excuse Riewoldt when the supply dries up, no one tells him he should be in there getting his own ball instead of relying on others to give it to him so why is it different for Dal?

In case people haven't noticed, Ross has tried to make him in and under with some small success, he's 4th at the club for tackles AND contested possessions and yet he's still been criticized for being soft and shit etc. this year. He is not soft, he has not been that bad this year (should be top 10 in our B+F) and he is an attacking weapon, it's ridiculous to blame an outside player for not playing like an inside midfielder.

I will be absolutely spewing if we trade Dal Santo because the fact is that one day soon we will be sitting there watching Dal cut us to pieces for some other bastards on the way to another AA selection and think why the **** did we trade this guy?

Who in the hell would think of trading one of their best 5 players?

 

[sdswonit]

Ross has stated that Dal, AND Kosi for that matter, ARE required players!
I'm sooo sick of all the crap that comes up at this time of year!
They wont be going anywhere!

But just talking crap, how do these three trades look for the Saints
L. Fisher + C. Gardiner to Swans for O'Keefe
A. Fiora + 4th Rounder to Bulldogs for F. Ray + 5th Rounder
3rd Rounder to Hawks for T. Boyle
Two 5th rounders to Essendon for A. Lovett

 

[Plugger35]

Ross has stated that Dal, AND Kosi for that matter, ARE required players!
I'm sooo sick of all the crap that comes up at this time of year!
They wont be going anywhere!

But just talking crap, how do these three trades look for the Saints
L. Fisher + C. Gardiner to Swans for O'Keefe
A. Fiora + 4th Rounder to Bulldogs for F. Ray + 5th Rounder
3rd Rounder to Hawks for T. Boyle
Two 5th rounders to Essendon for A. Lovett

Those trades look great for us but I doubt the Swans would be interested in taking Gardiner or the Bulldogs interested in Fiora. Both players have failed to make an impact at two clubs now which normally means their next stop is the scrapheap.

I think the only two so called tradeable players we will get much interest in is Kosi and Dal Santo but I would be very reluctant to trade either of them unless we get a super deal for them. They are both still high quality players, who provided they can improve their work ethic, can still be very good players for us.

 

[Look2Me4Guidance]

Ross has stated that Dal, AND Kosi for that matter, ARE required players!
I'm sooo sick of all the crap that comes up at this time of year!
They wont be going anywhere!

But just talking crap, how do these three trades look for the Saints
L. Fisher + C. Gardiner to Swans for O'Keefe
A. Fiora + 4th Rounder to Bulldogs for F. Ray + 5th Rounder
3rd Rounder to Hawks for T. Boyle
Two 5th rounders to Essendon for A. Lovett

Be serious please. These blokes offer no upside.

 

[dan0z]

Ross has stated that Dal, AND Kosi for that matter, ARE required players!
I'm sooo sick of all the crap that comes up at this time of year!
They wont be going anywhere!

But just talking crap, how do these three trades look for the Saints
L. Fisher + C. Gardiner to Swans for O'Keefe
A. Fiora + 4th Rounder to Bulldogs for F. Ray + 5th Rounder
3rd Rounder to Hawks for T. Boyle
Two 5th rounders to Essendon for A. Lovett

sounds good mate but in reality L. Fisher + C. Gardiner are worth about pick 50 at best let alone Ryan O'keefe.
And 5th rounders are worth nothing, essendon would probably want a second round pick for lovett..
No other club would pick up aaron fiora either, pick 60 at best..

 

[sdswonit]

sounds good mate but in reality L. Fisher + C. Gardiner are worth about pick 50 at best let alone Ryan O'keefe.
And 5th rounders are worth nothing, essendon would probably want a second round pick for lovett..
No other club would pick up aaron fiora either, pick 60 at best..

I totally agree! That's why I started the 2nd paragraph with Just talking crap!

Realistically though, How does THIS sound!
L. Fisher + 3rd Round to Sydney for O' Keefe

 

[Winmar2Lockett]

All depends on next year. If we finish 8th or miss out on the finals, then we should've traded Kosi and Dal for picks. If we finish 3rd or 4th, then not trading them is justified. But if we traded them and came 5th or something then you can only think "What if"

If we're happy finishing 3rd or 4th & not competing with the Geelong & Hawthorn power teams then we may as well just wrap it up.

It is very concerning the number of supporters who see a top 4 finish as a goal to rejoice. I've got news for you all, there are 4 or 5 clubs coming up the ladder at a great rate of knots that will be bending us over before too much longer.

To sit on our hands & do nothing will guarantee more years of pain.

Hard decisions must be made by Ross now.

Kosi & Dal still have high trade value & can set us up for a serious flag tilt in 2-3 years time when our core are still in the prime (with Lenny being 30-31).

Get rid of the underperformers, set the standards high & make everyone in the club know we have one goal & one goal only (and it ain' another bloody pointless top 4 finish).

 

[BigCarl]

Dear winmar2lockett,

That's what I'm talking about!!

 

[Joffa 5]

I will be absolutely spewing if we trade Dal Santo because the fact is that one day soon we will be sitting there watching Dal cut us to pieces for some other bastards on the way to another AA selection and think why the **** did we trade this guy?

Never a truer word spoken (well written in this case)

 

[cartwright]

If we're happy finishing 3rd or 4th & not competing with the Geelong & Hawthorn power teams then we may as well just wrap it up.

It is very concerning the number of supporters who see a top 4 finish as a goal to rejoice. I've got news for you all, there are 4 or 5 clubs coming up the ladder at a great rate of knots that will be bending us over before too much longer.

To sit on our hands & do nothing will guarantee more years of pain.

Hard decisions must be made by Ross now.

Kosi & Dal still have high trade value & can set us up for a serious flag tilt in 2-3 years time when our core are still in the prime (with Lenny being 30-31).

Get rid of the underperformers, set the standards high & make everyone in the club know we have one goal & one goal only (and it ain' another bloody pointless top 4 finish).

Not sure who is rejoicing about finishing 4th, sure some of us were surprised considering where we were at in the middle of the year.

I'll be very surprised if we trade kosi or dal - who are you going to get to fill kosi's role?

McEvoy aint ready - so who then?
King can't ruck the whole year on his own, Blake can't & shouldn't fill that role any more

And I highly doubt, we'll "sit on our hands and do nothing" - one thing I am confident of, Ross Lyon will be aggressive as can be come trade week.

 

[Caj]

I totally agree! That's why I started the 2nd paragraph with Just talking crap!

Realistically though, How does THIS sound!
L. Fisher + 3rd Round to Sydney for O' Keefe

Realistically sh*thouse

A late 3rd rounder and a bloke who will be delisted for a bloke who will finish top 3 in our B&F

 

[SaintsSeptember]

L Fisher, and Fiora, and C Gardiner and M Rix and M Ferguson for O Keefe.

 

[Aceky]

although dal seems to be out of favour with a lot of supporters me being one of them some of the time, his good really does outweigh his bad and would anyone really like to be aggainst a player of his skills in a match seriously??? has anyone seen him tackled recently (i havent) and id really hate to see him dancing around our players and delivering to opposition opponents.....

after looking at his stats he has had a er good year averaging over 22 possi 3 tackles a game and averaging a goal every 2nd game for us..

i have been thinking about a trade for dal but realisticly unless we are gonna get kerr than we should hold onto him hes only 24 has a good 6-8 years left for us and is an a grade player.... last year we were talking about this bloke for all australian, i think the supporters need to get behind him instead of all the negativity when the only thing we have from him is a few slack chases through the year which he can easily work on...

every1s thoughts?

 

[Zainta]

although dal seems to be out of favour with a lot of supporters me being one of them some of the time, his good really does outweigh his bad and would anyone really like to be aggainst a player of his skills in a match seriously??? has anyone seen him tackled recently (i havent) and id really hate to see him dancing around our players and delivering to opposition opponents.....

after looking at his stats he has had a er good year averaging over 22 possi 3 tackles a game and averaging a goal every 2nd game for us..

i have been thinking about a trade for dal but realisticly unless we are gonna get kerr than we should hold onto him hes only 24 has a good 6-8 years left for us and is an a grade player.... last year we were talking about this bloke for all australian, i think the supporters need to get behind him instead of all the negativity when the only thing we have from him is a few slack chases through the year which he can easily work on...

every1s thoughts?

He and Kosi are just our whipping boys. When everything is going wrong it's always their fault, but when things are looking good, they're called fair-weather players. The supporters are more inconsistent than the players!

 

[CHBench]

Nicky Dal is safe.

Nick Dal Santo's safe at St Kilda

Mark Robinson | October 01, 2008 12:00am

ST KILDA'S Nick Dal Santo has been told he won't be offered for trade next week.

It's understood the Saints told Dal Santo's manager Ricky Nixon late last week he is required player.

Dal Santo, who has two years to run on a contract, averaged 22.1 disposals in his 24 matches this year, second behind his career-best season in 2005 when he averaged 22.6 touches.

It's not known if Justin Koschitzke, however, has been given the same assurance or is contemplating a move himself.

Koschitzke played 22 matches this year - the most in his eight years in the AFL - for a total of 119 games, but has been part of trade discussions since the Saints' loss in the preliminary final.

The popular theory is that Koschitzke should leave Moorabbin to reinvigorate his career.

In return, the Saints could potentially nab a late first-round pick.

Koschitzke's manager Liam Pickering did not return calls yesterday. Neither did St Kilda.

 

[IllBeTheJudge]

Nicky Dal is safe.

Funny how his name keeps being thrown around as trade bait (I'm guilty too) even though he has had his second best year stats wise.

What that article fails to discuss though is the penetration or damaging nature of those stats.

Hopefully we'll have a better role for him next year, as apart from a few games (R17 against Hawks sticks in my mind, or whatever round that was) he didn't appear to be at his best, and nowhere near as influential as we all hoped he would be. Struggling with a hard tag perhaps, and might need to look at how he can shake that, but that also comes down to the ENTIRE midfield. If memory serves me, he didn't have a tag in that particular match I mentioned, nor against Collingwood in the semi (which was another good game).

If Bakes is back I'm sure he won't mind blocking for him

 

[Squizz]

Not sure why the club singles out a player for reassurance. If the others don't have this chat are they on the meat market?

If the club is going to be active come trade week, and won't swap the first two picks, then players of quality have to be available or they are kidding themselves.

 

[Persevering Saint]

We seem to be forgetting that Dal played VERY crook for about a month or so this year (about SIX games!). Anybody looks soft when they're playing with severe tonsilitis. But in fact, that shows a lot of guts and strength.

Also, we seem to be forgetting that Ross has already stated Dal AND Kosi are staying. He did that about a week or two ago. The rumours are just that - rumous, nothing more. "The popular theory" is just a bunch of Newscorp never-kicked-a-footy-in-their-lives journos sitting around over a latte speaking crap.

Finally, all this worrying about whether Rossco can trade for some hard nuts, etc - look, none of us were complaining when he brought King, Schneids, Dempster, and Gardiner for a packet of chips in the LAST draft. He'll do the same this year.

 

[Squizz]

Agree - it is not Dal's fault he was selected by the match committee when he should not have played.

And with the draft last year we used our mid-20 pick - that's called being active. Stating that obvious trade bait and your first two draft picks are off the table is not being active.

 

[Look2Me4Guidance]

We seem to be forgetting that Dal played VERY crook for about a month or so this year (about SIX games!). Anybody looks soft when they're playing with severe tonsilitis. But in fact, that shows a lot of guts and strength.

Correct. We also forget that knock he got on his A/C joint against Essendon in Round 5. He was having it jabbed quite regularly.

 

[TassieSaint]

Very happy to hear that he is staying