News NMFC & Tassie (the mass debate re our future there, the academy, attending advice)

[Mr Taswegian]

That will be interesting then. Hawthorn will be counting on the money from their major sponsor but the strings attached mean they have to play games in Tasmania. I wonder if they'll play in Hobart.

Possibly is why they have only signed a new 1 year deal.

 

[Lomas]

Yes I agree it's a long way off the same experience for reserved seat members and especially for level 2 reserved seat members. I don't know whether we are going to get 11 home games eventually, or if we'll end up selling games somewhere else or going to Bendigo or Albury. I'd at least like to get back to 8 and preferably 9 genuine home games. I could cope with a road trip twice a year to regional Victoria or the border.

A game in Bendigo or Albury would be palatable.

 

[chubbspeterson]

UTAS stadium most likely won't be available after next season due to it's planned $200 million upgrade expected to be underway.

Ok I'm not across all the Tassie stuff but that's interesting, wonder what the what Hawks will do then.

 

[Mr Taswegian]

Ok I'm not across all the Tassie stuff but that's interesting, wonder what the what Hawks will do then.

They have only signed a one year deal so Im not sure what will happen after that.

 

[Lomas]

They have only signed a one year deal so Im not sure what will happen after that.

When is the next TAS state election?

 

[BoomerRoo]

As some know, I've "skin in the game" regarding some of the conversation being discussed here, as such, I'm limited to what I can say publicly.

But a couple of points that I can comment on.

1: The Tasmanian team will go ahead.
2: The stadium will get built and become an "economic game-changer" for the state.
3: The stadium will get private investment and federal money to help facilitate construction.
4: Apple stadium will be a multi-use venue, concerts, incorporating a high performance facility (various users) other sports and events, plus a Tasmanian Sporting Museum/Arts Precinct) etc.
5: There is a "get out clause" as such, for North Melbourne to "pull" out of the deal if they desire, once a Tasmanian team is announced (short version).

I'm not going into any other specifics, so please don't ask.

 

[BoomerRoo]

When is the next TAS state election?

2025

 

[Woolly Mammoth]

Alot of people seem scared to death to jettison the Tas games and go back to playing exclusively in Melbourne, and alot of people, our supporters and oppo nuffwads alike seem to point to this years rock bottom crowds as some sort of irrefutable data that we dont have enough support to survive, as though a combination of the biggest global pandemic since the Spanish flu and worst three onfield seasons in half a century wasnt somewhat of a factor. Just a reminder-
Docklands average crowds for 2019 (both H&A)-
WB-31218
Nth-31129
Stk-28568

 

[Makeshift Park]

2: The stadium will get built and become an "economic game-changer" for the state.

I hope this is true. But political talking-points aside, this level of hyperbole I find hard to believe.

I spent more than half my life in Tassie, I can't wait for a Tassie team to enter the AFL.

Sure a new stadium will be an economic driver that will attract a bit more tourism money into the state, and having its own AFL team will attract a bit more money too.

But this notion that a stadium will single-handedly change the overall state or trajectory of the economy of Tassie or even Hobart seems preposterous.

 

[Limerick]

Alot of people seem scared to death to jettison the Tas games and go back to playing exclusively in Melbourne, and alot of people, our supporters and oppo nuffwads alike seem to point to this years rock bottom crowds as some sort of irrefutable data that we dont have enough support to survive, as though a combination of the biggest global pandemic since the Spanish flu and worst three onfield seasons in half a century wasnt somewhat of a factor. Just a reminder-
Docklands average crowds for 2019 (both H&A)-
WB-31218
Nth-31129
Stk-28568

The issue that we face is that some members now have gotten used to watching games in their homes e.g., Kayo etc. How big is this group? How many of this group will continue as members. on-field success should Counter some of this.

 

[Cool Kangas]

I get the commercial need for us to play games in Tas but I don’t like it. The only teams I hope we play there are the ones that draw tiny away crowds at marvel - like GC or GWS or freo.

 

[hellas_johnny]

4 games is too many. From Sonia saying wev we're close to not needing tasi money to then go sign a 3 year deal 4 games per year is a joke and a slap in the face to the Melbourne supporters paying for games they can't get access to unless paying fair$. Home games reserved seats at marvel now go down to 7 and the compensation is replacement games yet we pay to sit in our own seat for a reason. It's not just about the seat but the people around aswell. Not to mention these replacement games already count on home and away Melbourne memberships. Very disappointed in the recent decision

 

[shinboner magic]

Tassie can and will support a full-time team. History will show that.

The afl will support it

I get the angst but I'm pretty sure Hawks will take the cash and play games down there until 2025 as well.

But they’re a soulless organisation

 

[TennisPlayerAndy]

4 games is too many. From Sonia saying wev we're close to not needing tasi money to then go sign a 3 year deal 4 games per year is a joke and a slap in the face to the Melbourne supporters paying for games they can't get access to unless paying fair$. Home games reserved seats at marvel now go down to 7 and the compensation is replacement games yet we pay to sit in our own seat for a reason. It's not just about the seat but the people around aswell. Not to mention these replacement games already count on home and away Melbourne memberships. Very disappointed in the recent decision

High paying members have been taken for granted for over a decade.

Could you imagine the outcry if we all decided to drop back to GA only?

 

[shintemaster]

There are only 5 seats in the whole of Tassie from a federal level.

There’s only 2 that would get use out of a stadium in Hobart.

So yes it’s a lever however it’s also an expensive one to pull for relatively small return.

I'm not suggesting there would be big votes in a stadium at a Federal level... more so that if there is politcal gain in a Tasmanian team for the Federal Government - either directly or to support a state Government - that they have leverage they could use on the AFL to push them to introduce a team irrespective of their current stance on a stadium.

 

[shintemaster]

I hope this is true. But political talking-points aside, this level of hyperbole I find hard to believe.

I spent more than half my life in Tassie, I can't wait for a Tassie team to enter the AFL.

Sure a new stadium will be an economic driver that will attract a bit more tourism money into the state, and having its own AFL team will attract a bit more money too.

But this notion that a stadium will single-handedly change the overall state or trajectory of the economy of Tassie or even Hobart seems preposterous.

Yep. But let's be honest, Governments aren't exactly known for worrying too much about the reality of a situation - hence why every few years we have an extra congestion busting lane on the Monash or whatever shit project that won't achieve squat. They are happy to tell people what they want to hear if there's votes and money in it.

 

[Colby Cheer Squad]

Alot of people seem scared to death to jettison the Tas games and go back to playing exclusively in Melbourne, and alot of people, our supporters and oppo nuffwads alike seem to point to this years rock bottom crowds as some sort of irrefutable data that we dont have enough support to survive, as though a combination of the biggest global pandemic since the Spanish flu and worst three onfield seasons in half a century wasnt somewhat of a factor. Just a reminder-
Docklands average crowds for 2019 (both H&A)-
WB-31218
Nth-31129
Stk-28568

If you're arranging a mortgage, do you assume your future annual income is going to match 1996 when you received a large inheritance? Or do you look at the last 3 years of your income?

 

[Colby Cheer Squad]

I get the commercial need for us to play games in Tas but I don’t like it. The only teams I hope we play there are the ones that draw tiny away crowds at marvel - like GC or GWS or freo.

There's a couple of issues here.

First of all, the sponsorship with TT Line / Spirit of Tasmania is intended to sell a service to Victorians and Tasmanians mostly. People from NSW, QLD or WA are less likely to use that service. Now, I can appreciate that you don't give a shit about what sponsor's marketing intentions and neither do I really, but the club does have to service the sponsor's needs.

Secondly, I feel that we shouldn't be hiding behind a defence that we can draw a decent crowd to Melbourne games but only if we're playing Collingwood, Essendon, and Richmond. That's a bullshit, defeatist argument. To be a truly viable and strong club for decades to come, we need to get to the point of drawing 25,000+ people to Melbourne games against GWS and Gold Coast. That's got to be the goal.

I'm also annoyed by the inference that our games against GWS or Gold Coast at Docklands have no atmosphere and that's why many of our supporters don't turn up. I don't give a rat's tossbag if the opposition has no supporters at the game. I go to watch my team, and cheer them on, I don't go to be outnumbered by opposition supporters or to experience some ineffable sensation of "atmosphere" which is just crowd noise celebrating goals. Aside from the win against Richmond, the best experience all year was the Gold Coast game where we were losing by 10 goals but Shoey Rooey and the North Closer To A Flag mob were chanting for Clarko and LDU. If we can replicate that in the future, then we might just have a game day experience that people will want to come for regardless of the opposition.

 

[HBFlanker]

Heard from an AFL source that part of the reason why the city of Adelaide won the rights to host magic round is that the AFL want to see how the product stacks up at smaller venues, as they know there is a push coming from Melbourne clubs to play for premiership points at suburban venues.

They need more test cases on the logistics of running match days outside of the regularly used stadiums.

 

[Colby Cheer Squad]

Heard from an AFL source that part of the reason why the city of Adelaide won the rights to host magic round is that the AFL want to see how the product stacks up at smaller venues, as they know there is a push coming from Melbourne clubs to play for premiership points at suburban venues.

They need more test cases on the logistics of running match days outside of the regularly used stadiums.

Which suburban venues can host 15,000 these days? Arden St taps out at about 5,000. Punt Rd is 4,000. Victoria Park is 10,000. Not sure what the Western Oval or Moorabbin can hold. Waverly is 6,000 and Cheatsy Field could not rightly be considered a suburban venue. Princes Park claims to hold 24,000 based on an AFLW game 5 years ago but they've demolished a grandstand since then and now half the ground seems to be surrounded by administrative buildings. And Windy Hill needs permission from the Bowls Club.

 

[Nate7]

Which suburban venues can host 15,000 these days? Arden St taps out at about 5,000. Punt Rd is 4,000. Victoria Park is 10,000. Not sure what the Western Oval or Moorabbin can hold. Waverly is 6,000 and Cheatsy Field could not rightly be considered a suburban venue. Princes Park claims to hold 24,000 based on an AFLW game 5 years ago but they've demolished a grandstand since then and now half the ground seems to be surrounded by administrative buildings. And Windy Hill needs permission from the Bowls Club.

Trevor Barker Beach Oval 8000, Skybus (Frankston) 6000, Mars (Ballarat) 11,000, QEO (Bendigo) 10,000.

tazaa any input?

 

[Colby Cheer Squad]

Trevor Barker Beach Oval 8000, Skybus (Frankston) 6000, Mars (Ballarat) 11,000, QEO (Bendigo) 10,000.

tazaa any input?

Ballarat and Bendigo make more sense due their size but also because there's a point to moving games there. You can also justify not having modern facilities, whereas you can't play an AFL game at an inner city suburban ground with no seating when the MCG and Docklands are available.

 

[Nate7]

Ballarat and Bendigo make more sense due their size but also because there's a point to moving games there. You can also justify not having modern facilities, whereas you can't play an AFL game at an inner city suburban ground with no seating when the MCG and Docklands are available.

Well there's two things - no point playing a category c match (AFL has three categories based on likely attendance) at either of the MCG or Docklands when the likely crowd is at most 15K.

So that's where the above grounds come into play, twice per year at a guess for us. You're also right that they need not have the modern facilities, assuming that AFL level matches are played there only a few times per year.

If it's good enough for pre season matches, then I don't see the issue with having regular season games there, but only a few times per year.

 

[Dan]

Heard from an AFL source that part of the reason why the city of Adelaide won the rights to host magic round is that the AFL want to see how the product stacks up at smaller venues, as they know there is a push coming from Melbourne clubs to play for premiership points at suburban venues.

They need more test cases on the logistics of running match days outside of the regularly used stadiums.

Punt Rd is a no brainer against some interstate clubs.

Going to women’s game was a delight having just got off the train and crossing the road to the ground.

 

[Colby Cheer Squad]

Well there's two things - no point playing a category c match (AFL has three categories based on likely attendance) at either of the MCG or Docklands when the likely crowd is at most 15K.

So that's where the above grounds come into play, twice per year at a guess for us. You're also right that they need not have the modern facilities, assuming that AFL level matches are played there only a few times per year.

If it's good enough for pre season matches, then I don't see the issue with having regular season games there, but only a few times per year.

On the other hand (and I appreciate that there's no real logic to this) we can't be playing AFL games at Princes Park or Victoria Park regardless of the expected crowd size. This is Melbourne, a sophisticated city with two more or less world-class stadia. We will not slum it in a shit hole fire trap. Fair enough, play the games in Bendigo or Shepparton or Albury with third world facilities. But we won't cop that in Melbourne.