Oppo Camp Non-Essendon Football Thread XVII

[Zach Package]

I’d go absolutely postal if Essendon had as much talent as Brisbane does and dished up that shit

 

[NoWuckingFurries]

They've got heart. Fair ole comeback

 

[Call Me Cake]

When it was a 5 point difference and the Lions weren't kicking a point or goal I just knew this would happen. The only thing worse that could have happened is if Fantasia kicked the sealer. Gross.

Feel like the Lions took their foot off the pedal, had a shocker of inaccuracy and Carlton became more accurate. Let's not forget that it was Brisbane that was ahead by a lot. Lions were never out of it. They just kept the door open for too long for it to be a 1 point loss. Still think the Lions are the better side.

 

[Vindicater]

****ing Brisbane

 

[Call Me Cake]

******* Brisbane

They prevented the scum from being in a GF so no.

 

[windyhill]

They prevented the scum from being in a GF so no.

But let that other lot win one….

 

[MiguelM]

When it was a 5 point difference and the Lions weren't kicking a point or goal I just knew this would happen. The only thing worse that could have happened is if Fantasia kicked the sealer. Gross.

Feel like the Lions took their foot off the pedal, had a shocker of inaccuracy and Carlton became more accurate. Let's not forget that it was Brisbane that was ahead by a lot. Lions were never out of it. They just kept the door open for too long for it to be a 1 point loss. Still think the Lions are the better side.

I was actually hoping Fanta would kick the winner!

He looked a little lost but put in a bit more than stats suggested. Shocked he got through injury free!

Lions were a pack of downhill skiers tonight. They thought they would coast to a win but half way through the 2nd completely stopped. Poor kicking at goal probably lost it for them. Charlie Cameron needs a rocket.

 

[Squeaky]

Say what you will about Carlton but if that was us that started like that, we'd lose by 90 points.

 

[rumply]

Say what you will about Carlton but if that was us that started like that, we'd lose by 90 points.

 

[fairbump_playon]

Guess those McKay twins are actually pretty good after all

 

[TheGreatBarryB]

Gees to lose after being up by 46 on your home ground. Blues without Weitering and Walsh. Just excellent by the Blues to restrict Lions to just 5 goals last three quarters

 

[DERO]

Brisbane kicked themselves out of it in the end. The third quarter misses cost them the game.

 

[boncer34]

Brisbane kicked themselves out of it in the end. The third quarter misses cost them the game.

Bad kicking is bad football

 

[DERO]

Bad kicking is bad football

Yep. It’s a good win but I reckon Carlton were a bit lucky in the end.

 

[JayJ20]

Curnow won them that game. He's the best player in the league right now.

We really need a match winner like him in the forward line. JUH please.

 

[NoWuckingFurries]

Clug + Curnow.
Vs.
Mcgrath + Francis

Essington

 

[Fayab99]

Clug + Curnow.
Vs.
Mcgrath + Francis

Essington

This HURTS.

 

[Zach Package]

Clug + Curnow.
Vs.
Mcgrath + Francis

Essington

Yeah I would have loved for us to draft Curnow so he could request a trade to a club he actually wanted to be at and McClug so he could turn into Cale Morton and get delisted after 3 years.

A real bright and sunny timeline, that one.

 

[ghostdog]

Yeah I would have loved for us to draft Curnow so he could request a trade to a club he actually wanted to be at and McClug so he could turn into Cale Morton and get delisted after 3 years.

A real bright and sunny timeline, that one.

We could have been going into R1 with a forwardline of Daniher and Curnow.

 

[DERO]

Clug + Curnow.
Vs.
Mcgrath + Francis

Essington

Carlton have had their fair share of misses in this period too. SPP, Paddy Wow at 3. Raynor was a number one pick without looking to deeply. That is one part of the story and may not even the most damning part. Our ability to attract players from other clubs and keep players has been a bit of an issue.

Carlton and Brisbane have managed to bring in some high quality / role players players from other clubs which is something we have seemingly been unable to do on a consistent basis for whatever reason. In fact, we kind of go the opposite way and have lost some really good players. This is the area that needs to improve bit. We may already be on the way (hopefully), given we pulled in 3 role-players from other through free agency etc

Thad said, if you look at the lists:

Carlton: Cerra, Williams, Kennedy, Fogarty, McGovern, Acres, Fantasia, Docherty, Hollands, Martin, Marchbank, Newman, Pittonet, Hewett, Saad. 10 or so best 22?

Brisbane: Ah Chee, Joe Dan, Dunkley, Neil, McCarthy, Doedee, Lyons, Cameron, McKenna, Fort, 8 or so best 22?

Us: Weideman, Gresham, Setterfiled, Goldstein, Hind, Stringer, Dursma, Kelly, M'Kay, Shiel 6 or 7 best 22? I'd have Shiel and Goldy in there. The three we picked up last year probably walk straight into the best 22.

I'm putting our lack of success down to inability to bring in and keep good players and not a few draft picks that look bad with the benefit of hindsight.

 

[DERO]

Also, getting kissed on the dick through father son/ zone selections and or having a Weiterting, Curnow, McKay draft also helps.

 

[JayJ20]

Clug + Curnow.
Vs.
Mcgrath + Francis

Essington

Curnow vs Francis is the one that hurts, though Curnow would've probably ended up at Carlton. The reason he slipped to them was because of a suspiciously timed pre-draft controversy. I wanted Curnow and Parish at the time.

I firmly believe McCluggage wouldn't have been the player he's become at Essendon so I'm not too worried about that.

 

[DERO]

Curnow vs Francis is the one that hurts, though Curnow would've probably ended up at Carlton. The reason he slipped to them was because of a suspiciously timed pre-draft controversy. I wanted Curnow and Parish at the time.

I firmly believe McCluggage wouldn't have been the player he's become at Essendon so I'm not too worried about that.

Not saying you are but sometimes I reckon people can get a bit too hung up on the success of draft picks I reckon. By extension, I don’t like the idea of trading a known quantity for draft picks either but that is another discussion and has been done to death on here.

Curnow would go one or two if you rewrote the draft order that year with the benefit of hindsight, meaning and clubs with a pick before 12 on his draft year screwed up if you look at it that way.

I’d probably take Oliver at one maybe, even with a few issues late last year and early this year. He has played better for longer. It is pretty subjective I guess

 

[BrunoV]

It's round 1, weird things can happen. In reality it shouldn't mean that much but then Voss probably couldn't have asked for a more ideal scenario.

No Weitering or Walsh and then overcoming a >40 point difference. It being done on the back of Acres, McKay, De Koning joining Cripps and Curnow.

Yep, they probably only get the win because Brisbane missed a couple of sitters but Carlton now gets all of the momentum of the win and knows it shut Brisbane's scoring down to close out the game.

Got very little from Fanstasia. No Martin. As much as I don't rate what I have seen of Elijah Hollands he has a significant pedigree. Add Walsh and Weitering.

I'd be pretty happy if I was a Blue's fan. They're better balanced than they were last season.

 

[JayJ20]

Not saying you are but sometimes I reckon people can get a bit too hung up on the success of draft picks I reckon. By extension, I don’t like the idea of trading a known quantity for draft picks either but that is another discussion and has been done to death on here.

Curnow would go one or two if you rewrote the draft order that year with the benefit of hindsight, meaning and clubs with a pick before 12 on his draft year screwed up if you look at it that way.

I’d probably take Oliver at one maybe, even with a few issues late last year and early this year. He has played better for longer. It is pretty subjective I guess

The reality is only a few in each draft will go on to become elite players so there's bound to be 10-15, sometimes 17 other clubs who "passed" on elite talent with benefit of hindsight. Most clubs select based on needs and within the range that recruiters and draft experts rate them.

Even Bont and Oliver in their draft years were considered bolters rather than obvious top 4 picks. In hindsight they are the best of their draft, but it's not easy to project how a player will go at AFL level. It's rare that an obvious pick at the time is overlooked (like St Kilda did with Petracca). But they were in the market for a key forward to replace Reiwoldt and they couldn't have forseen his concussion issues so you can't blame them.

Curnow was injured for years and he looked like he may not reach his potential but fortunately for Carlton that worked out. There are way too many factors (like injury, development, stability, culture) that impacts a draftee's AFL achievements so I feel many take a shallow approach in their criticism or analysis.