Oppo Camp Non-Essendon Football Thread XVII

[boncer34]

Arguing we should aim to be Geelong would make an ounce of sense if we were remotely close to having a similar baseline.

We aren't even close.

They can afford to leave players in the 2s because they have AFL quality players in the 1s playing their roles and a quality development program for the VFL.

We have neither.

We need to establish a solid AFL team first, we should be aiming to be Melbourne or dare I say it even Carlton. Once that's established then turn your attention to making it an established juggernaut like Geelong.

Suggesting we should be trying to run before we've even learnt how to crawl is insanity.

 

[Mercurial89]

It's a bit more nuanced than that. They aren't playing the kids for the sake of it and they aren't saying to them they won't get a look in until they've done two seasons of VFL; when they're playing at a suitable standard and a position is available they'll get selected.

In the meantime they're in one of the best development programs in the AFL.

Helps their VFL team isn't a basket case.

 

[ant555]

Arguing we should aim to be Geelong would make an ounce of sense if we were remotely close to having a similar baseline.

We aren't even close.

They can afford to leave players in the 2s because they have AFL quality players in the 1s playing their roles and a quality development program for the VFL.

We have neither.

We need to establish a solid AFL team first, we should be aiming to be Melbourne or dare I say it even Carlton. Once that's established then turn your attention to making it an established juggernaut like Geelong.

Suggesting we should be trying to run before we've even learnt how to crawl is insanity.

I would argue building the program and culture is crawling before you run. How can you develop the young players in a poor program. It is not about trying to be Geelong. It is about building the base like Roos did at Sydney. Like Melbourne did after repeated fails.

 

[boncer34]

I would argue building the program and culture is crawling before you run. How can you develop the young players in a poor program. It is not about trying to be Geelong. It is about building the base like Roos did at Sydney. Like Melbourne did after repeated fails.

Exactly what I said.

 

[ant555]

Exactly what I said.

sorry misunderstood the message

 

[TheGrizz]

fun fact,

6 of Geelongs 10 first rounders were not drafted them. Add in the freebies they've fluked (Blicavs, Stewart and of course Hawkins who was rated top 5 - 10 for a third rounder) and its easy to see why they remain competitive


We do it to (get first rounders in from the recycle bin), Geelong just bring in proven AFL players unlike us

Stewart and Blicavs as flukes? You can only have so many flukes before it isnt one anymore
Just like Tom Atkins, the myriad of Irish players they have playing for them and other players from the state league or alternative pathways.

Geelong have one the best developmental departments in the entire league. If you have any talent, they are likely to maximise it as evidenced. That is a key reason Geelong continue to get players wanting to go there.
For example, Matty Scarlett told them this Stewart kid from local Geelong footy was too talented for country footy, and so they signed him to a VFL contract. Low and behold - 2 years in the cats VFL system and he is ready to be drafted.

If we continue to look at these sorts of pick ups from Geelong, Sydney and even Collingwood as flukes, then we continue to miss the trick - as evidence by how under resourced our VFL set up continues to be.

 

[I Remember Bluey]

If anyone wants an example of how effort can wane week to week, even for good sides, see Swans against us, Swans against the tiges and Swans today.

Even good sides lay duck eggs sometimes

So your saying we lay duck eggs

 

[ScrappyCoCo]

Suns look up to the fight and giving GWS a good run here.

 

[Red Black and Blue]

Gold Coast arent even close to prime. We arent getting close to challenging in the next 7 years with these guys around, even if we nail our program from here out. Still got Lombard to come who is another star.

 

[windyhill]

High quality game Suns v GWS.

 

[jannissary]

interesting stat i read before: david swallow

24

David Swallow

Age

32

Ht

186cm

Wt

87kg

Pos.

M/F

Career

Season

Last 5

D

21.1

5star

K

11.7

4star

HB

9.4

5star

M

3.2

3star

T

4.4

5star

CL

4.2

5star

D

18.4

4star

K

11.1

4star

HB

7.3

4star

M

4.3

4star

T

4.6

5star

CL

4.0

5star

D

19.4

5star

K

10.0

4star

HB

9.4

5star

M

2.8

3star

T

5.0

5star

CL

4.4

5star

is the first player to play at 22 different grounds as of today

 

[Zach Package]

Happy with Roberts and Vigo but Clohesy looked as close to a sure thing as can be at VFL level

 

[mIKe9441]

Mac Andrew is what Nik Cox should try to be

 

[jannissary]

who'd have thought that the expansion cup game would be the best game of gather round!

 

[bommer16]

I wish Ess had this group of players.
Very good game.

 

[andleanback]

Gold Coast finally dropped all their list cloggers holding them back and gave their kids a chance instead. Essendon should do the same

 

[Old Campaigner]

Gold Coast finally dropped all their list cloggers holding them back and gave their kids a chance instead. Essendon should do the same

Who would you say are our list cloggers?

 

[rumply]

 

[rumply]

 

[Beerfish]

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It's also funny given earlier comments in here about how insipid norf are atm

 

[jannissary]

It's also funny given earlier comments in here about how insipid norf are atm

we’re one point better

 

[Old Campaigner]

The tuggers are making our efforts last week seem less good

 

[sameolds33]

It's also funny given earlier comments in here about how insipid norf are atm

hubris.

example of hubris: Hubris is an excess of confidence: a boxer who shouts "I'm the greatest!" even though he's about to get pummeled by a much stronger opponent is displaying a lot of hubris. Hubris is from Greek, where it meant "excessive pride, violating the bounds set for humans" and was always punished by the gods.

 

[rumply]

The tuggers are making our efforts last week seem less good

Yeah Friday night said more to me about the saints than it did us.

 

[jannissary]

what a nothing apology. disgusting