Oppo Camp Non-Essendon Football Thread XVII

[BrunoV]

Carlton will be fine.

Underdone players all over the park and played the game out instead of being humiliated.

 

[TheGreatBarryB]

last night showed that the gap from 8th to 5th is to large and a wildcard round will not work. I get the commercial marketing the AFL love$, why decrease the value of the product for $ome extra dollar$

Yes, up to a dozen teams were still in the hint late into the season, make sure this is the case for 3 0 5 consecutive seasons before pulling the punch on it.

Injuries clearly impacted the Blues, they’ll bounce back next season. And look at the Hawks who finished 7th, playing as good as most of the top four.

 

[MiguelM]

Carlton will be fine.

Underdone players all over the park and played the game out instead of being humiliated.

Lions put the cue in the rack after half time. Blues smashed when it mattered but yeah, too many coming back from injury all at once.

 

[Agronomus]

No way. Sheedy should have gone at the end of the prvious contract. He had run his race then and wasted our time with a line of average top up players between 2003 and 2005.

He still had the ruthlessness to go again if the club backed him. We all doubted whether he could do it but who else was jumping out to replace him?

 

[joey_jo_jo]

He still had the ruthlessness to go again if the club backed him. We all doubted whether he could do it but who else was jumping out to replace him?

The ruthlessness to gut the team and play shittrucks like zantuck, murphy, Allan etc

 

[Agronomus]

The ruthlessness to gut the team and play shittrucks like zantuck, murphy, Allan etc

He offloaded Blumfield, Caracella and Heffernan. Not Sheedys fault dodo can't recruit good players

 

[Pweter]

He offloaded Blumfield, Caracella and Heffernan. Not Sheedys fault dodo can't recruit good players

I don't think anyone would argue against what Sheedy did for the club as coach however Blind Freddy could tell his time was done a couple of years before he was actually done.

It could almost be time to move on.

 

[JayJ20]

Carlton will be fine.

Underdone players all over the park and played the game out instead of being humiliated.

"Played the game out". They were 60-0 down in a cut throat final. Brisbane didn't give a shit after that and were thinking about the following week.
The issue with Carlton is that they're too slow with ineffective small forwards. Without Curnow, their avenue to goal dries up pretty quickly.
You need to have a spread of goal kickers to be effective in the modern game.

Carlton have 3 players that kicked above 20 goals. It's also not like it's caused by inaccuracy because only Curnow (41) and McKay (21) had more than 13 behinds. Most of their scoring shots comes from Curnow and McKay which is not sustainable in a high pressure final. Even both of their finals wins last year were saved by an inaccurate opponent. They kicked 11.8 and 11.7 to Sydney and Melbourne's respective 9.14 and 9.17. They also kicked 9.9 to Brisbane's 11.13 last year and again 11.5 to Brisbane's 14.15.

To compare it to other finalists:

Hawthorn have 8 players above 20.
Sydney have 7.
Geelong have 6.
GWS have 5.
Port have 6.
Brisbane have 6.
Bulldogs have 6.

Even Fremantle had 6. That's not even factoring the amount of scoring shots those players had compared to Carlton's players outside of Curnow and McKay.

Teams that have little avenues to goal under pressure won't go far in the current era. It's too easy to counter for opposition coaches. What makes us so bad despite dominating territory is that we had little avenues to capitalise in front of goal.

Carlton also struggle with an average back 6 even with Weitering. They conceded the fifth most points this year.
They're not hopeless, but they have to add some speed to their side and recruit a couple of fast and viable small/mid forwards capable of kicking 20-25 goals at least. If they use injuries as the reason why they failed instead of recognising the core issues, then they'll waste a good list.

 

[ant555]

He still had the ruthlessness to go again if the club backed him. We all doubted whether he could do it but who else was jumping out to replace him?

He was shot. There were players on the list he hardly knew anything about and n his last few years.
Absolutely done and wasted 3 years.

 

[Hawkboy62]

the talent was always there, i just don’t think the powers that be knew that it’s sometimes okay to sacrifice defensive ability in place of a punishing kick

Mass isn't hopeless defensively. Limitations one on one and aerially but he has a dip. 13 CP's and 5 clearances against the Doggies ain't to bad!

 

[bombreys]

Carlton supporters think they came back in the second half. Cute. Brisbane took their foot off the accelerator to save themselves for next week.

Tbf Scott and a heap of the posters in here thought we came back against Brisbane in the final round. People see what they want to see

 

[andleanback]

Cripps, Curnow, McKay, Weitering and then who?

Walsh??
Tdk is a star

 

[andleanback]

Mate, anybody who has Weitering below #1 for the Blues is crazy. Their defence is bottom 6 level with him in, let alone without.

Also TDK is not an A Grader. A Grade talent, yeah, but Darcy, Jackson, Briggs, Gawn, Xerri, Marshall and Grundy are all still ahead for me.

Tdk is a much better player than Briggs and grundy, and I’d take him over darcy or xerri.

 

[TheGreatBarryB]

He still had the ruthlessness to go again if the club backed him. We all doubted whether he could do it but who else was jumping out to replace him?

Hardwick?

 

[Call Me Cake]

I made merch

 

[ghostdog]

Wasn't sure where to put this. Just thought it was worth a laugh.

 

[naraku]

Tbf Scott and a heap of the posters in here thought we came back against Brisbane in the final round. People see what they want to see

We also weren't 60-0 down in a final.
**** that was beautiful!

But I get what you are saying.

 

[Blind Turn]

Walsh??
Tdk is a star

In my eyes Walsh is still only a mild upgrade in talent on Tom Scully.

 

[HirdyLannister]

In my eyes Walsh is still only a mild upgrade in talent on Tom Scully.

Walsh is a shitter Parish, stat collector with zero damage

 

[crackers65]

Amazed when I saw the prime minister of NSW in the dawks rooms. A typical Hawthorn supporter. Knows 4/5 of F All about the game and pisses me off within 3 seconds of opening his mouth.

 

[Harlequin]

Agronomus won’t be responding for a little while

 

[Nicholas61]

He offloaded Blumfield, Caracella and Heffernan. Not Sheedys fault dodo can't recruit good players

I love Sheeds but his spat with Judkins eventually gave us the gift of Dodoro.

 

[Darealrath]

Wasn't sure where to put this. Just thought it was worth a laugh.

Alan Joyce lookalike next to him

 

[Old Campaigner]

Agronomus won’t be responding for a little while

What happened?

 

[ghostdog]

What happened?

Casual misogyny