Oppo Camp Non-Essendon Football Thread XVII

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jmoo wan said:
"The only thing necessary for evil to triumph in the world is that good men do nothing"

Does it make me a better person that most, because I follow this? Yes. Yes, it does.
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You rely on good men to do nothing?
 
anyone ever hear the story of pav getting one of these gigs at woodside, 3 years in he had to use his email, it'd been made inactive because he'd never actually used it before.

be surprised if every club doesnt do it to some extent, though i suppose this scott one feels fairly brazen.
 

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P Money said:
Chief of Leadership and Performance sounds like a very demanding full time job to me

Edit - and very high paying
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Sounds like a C-Suite gig doesn't it. Should have team leaders reporting to him, and plebs reporting to them.
 
Lore said:
Sounds like a C-Suite gig doesn't it. Should have team leaders reporting to him, and plebs reporting to them.
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Except the title doesn't contain the word "officer". CEO, CFO, CIO, CISO, COO etc.

It's very obviously an important sounding wank job. I'd love to ask him what his accountabilities and responsibilities are, I bet he'd respond with lots of words that doesn't answer the answer.

The AFL would've signed off on it though, otherwise the news wouldn't have gone public.
 
jmoo wan said:
it’s a bullshit role with a patronising title, so Chris you’re in charge of leadership and performance are ya, Chief?

may as well call him Leadership and performance Champ
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There’s a bit of this that gets around.

Prince Harry appointed chief impact officer at Silicon Valley start-up​

Harry got both the Chief & the Officer.
Guessing he’s also doing sweet FA, yet getting paid.
Apparently the royal family couldn’t afford him under the working royals cap so he needed external topping up.

www.smh.com.au

Prince Harry appointed chief impact officer at Silicon Valley start-up

The move comes about a month after Buckingham Palace announced Harry and his wife Meghan had made a final split with the royal family.
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Found this to be really interesting reading - how much un-luck have we had when we’ve had high picks?

How bad (in comparison) were:
  • 2016 where we had 1st for McGrath
  • 2020 covid draft where we had 3x late top 10 picks

Not sure I agree on there being 4 worse than the 2020 Covid draft…

Probably depends upon how you do the ranking.

Ranking the best AFL National Draft top fives of the 21st century

Which year produced the strongest top 5, and which year produced the weakest?
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RANKING THE BEST AFL NATIONAL DRAFT TOP FIVES OF THE 21ST CENTURY​

BY NIC NEGREPONTIS
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Every year, clubs battle amongst themselves to push up to the top of the National Draft, with top five picks especially carrying significant weight.
In 2024, Carlton did this by moving heaven and earth to get to pick three of a draft class many are very excited about.

The question remains, just how often does the top 5 generate a superstar? The answer is boring – it depends on the draft class.
Some years the top of the draft is littered with superstars – take 2001 for example. The top three picks were Luke Hodge, Luke Ball and Chris Judd. Handy.
Other drafts have higher variance like 2009 with Tom Scully, Jack Trengove, Dustin Martin, Anthony Morabito and Ben Cunnington.
And then there are years with lower ceilings overall. 2010 fit this mould with David Swallow, Harley Bennell, Sam Day, Andrew Gaff and Jared Polec.
Obviously, there are few bust picks littered around in some drafts, but you’re generally getting a handy AFL player in the top five.
But which draft of the 2000s has produced the best crop of players out of the top five? They’re hard to split, but we’ve attempted to rank them from best to worst.
We’ve used some future projection based on what we’ve seen to include recent drafts.
See our rankings from best to worst below:

1st - 2021 National Draft​

Jason Horne-Francis, Sam Darcy, Finn Callaghan, Nick Daicos, Mac Andrew
No draft in the 21st century has gone 5/5 with stars from the first five picks yet, but 2021 just might be the first.
Horne-Francis, Daicos and Darcy are already on track to be greats of their respective clubs, while the Suns have paid Mac Andrew like one after a breakout season.
Callaghan has enormous potential too and even if he’s 5th of this group, still looms as a 200+ game AFL midfielder. This is the best top five of the last 24 drafts.

2nd - 2005 National Draft​

Marc Murphy, Dale Thomas, Xavier Ellis, Josh Kennedy, Scott Pendlebury
The collective resume of this five is bloody impressive too. Five premierships, 11 All-Australian blazers, seven B&Fs, two club games record holders and two club captains.
Pendlebury might be Collingwood’s greatest ever player, Kennedy is certainly West Coast’s greatest ever goal kicker, Thomas and Murphy both had outstanding peaks and Ellis is a premiership Hawk.
An elite group, this.

3rd - 2004 National Draft​

Brett Deledio, Jarryd Roughead, Ryan Griffen, Richard Tambling, Lance Franklin
Did you know this group of five combined for 2065 AFL goals across their careers? Yes, Buddy kicked half of those, but still!
Lance Franklin alone would put a draft crop inside the top 10 of this list, but throw in premiership teammate and Coleman Medallist Jarryd Roughead plus two genuine stars in Deledio and Griffen and you’ve got yourself a banger group.
No shade will be thrown here at Richard Tambling either, who played 124 AFL games and kicked 62 goals himself. He just wasn't Buddy.

4th - 2001 National Draft​

Luke Hodge, Luke Ball, Chris Judd, Graham Polak, Xavier Clarke
Controversial? Too low? I’m sure many instinctively thought this would hold the no.1 slot on this list.
It’s a high bar to clear. You’ve got two of the best players of the era with Hodge and Judd, while Luke Ball is a champion in his own right.
You’ve then got two 100-gamers in Polak and Clarke who were certainly serviceable for their clubs.
Sits just outside the top three thanks to the firepower up above.

5th - 2018 National Draft​

Sam Walsh, Jack Lukosius, Izak Rankine, Max King, Connor Rozee
The 2018 National Draft is widely regarded as one of the best of modern times and the top five is no different.
Rozee is already a club captain, Rankine would’ve been an All-Australian this year if not for injury, Walsh has an All-Australian blazer and a Mark of the Year to his name, King is a few injury niggles away from being a champion goal kicker for the Saints and Lukosius gets a fresh start at the Power.

6th - 2015 National Draft​

Jacob Weitering, Josh Schache, Callum Mills, Clayton Oliver, Darcy Parish
Another very strong group, with Weitering, Mills and Oliver all stars of the competition in different ways. A star key defender, a club captain and a dominant inside midfielder at his best respectively.
Darcy Parish is no slouch either, remaining a top-line midfielder for the Bombers, while Josh Schache has had more of a journeyman career as a key forward.

7th - 2022 National Draft​

Aaron Cadman, Will Ashcroft, Harry Sheezel, George Wardlaw, Elijah Tsatas
This is one where we’re going to need a bit of future projection … but not actually as much as you’d think.
Ashcroft already has a Norm Smith Medal. Sheezel won a best and fairest in his first season. There’s your next generation of superstars right there.
And that’s before George Wardlaw, who feels like the best bet for breakout player of 2025.
There’s still plenty of time for Aaron Cadman to continue developing as a key forward and Elijah Tsatas as a midfielder as well.

8th - 2014 National Draft​

Paddy McCartin, Christian Petracca, Angus Brayshaw, Jarrod Pickett, Jordan De Goey
Christian Petracca is obviously the headliner here, taken at pick two to the Demons and now sits as one of the game’s great current players.
Angus Brayshaw had an outstanding carer in his own right, while Jordan De Goey’s peaks, including multiple Grand Final performances, speak for themselves.
Paddy McCartin also had his career cut short by concussions, but played some very solid footy for the Swans as a key defender, while Jarrod Pickett never really broke out for the Giants or Blues.

9th - 2017 National Draft​

Cam Rayner, Andrew Brayshaw, Paddy Dow, Luke Davies-Uniacke, Adam Cerra
Three current A-graders with Rayner, Brayshaw and LDU, while Cerra remains capable of hitting that ceiling. A very solid draft. Dow has a second shot at building his AFL career at the Saints.

10th - 2009 National Draft​

Tom Scully, Jack Trengove, Dustin Martin, Anthony Morabito, Ben Cunnington
One of the most high-variance top fives here. Martin - three Norm Smith Medals (still insane to think about), Cunnington has 238 games to his name as a midfielder leader at the Roos, Scully played 189 games as one of the best wingmen of the decade, Trengove was a club captain and Morabito's career was hit hard by constant injuries.

11th - 2002 National Draft​

Brendon Goddard, Daniel Wells, Jared Brennan, Tim Walsh, Jarrad McVeigh
Goddard and McVeigh were superstars their entire careers and captained Essendon and Sydney respectively.
Wells had some incredible peaks, even if injury never let him become the full-blown superstar he was destined to be, while Brennan similarly had flashes of brilliance for the Lions and Suns.

12th - 2008 National Draft​

Jack Watts, Nic Naitanui, Stephen Hill, Hamish Hartlett, Michael Hurley
Five players who all played 150 AFL games is a great start and a clear sign of the talents of this group.
Naitanui is the clear headliner here as one of the great ruckmen of the 21st century – a three-time All-Australian and two-time best and fairest winner.
Hartlett, Hurley and Hill all had great one-club careers, while Watts was obviously a little more turbulent but still finished with 174 games and 161 goals to his name – nothing to sneeze at.

13th - 2000 National Draft​

Nick Riewoldt, Justin Koschitzke, Alan Didak, Luke Livingstone, Andrew McDougall
Another 1,291 goals between this group, led of course by Riewoldt’s 718 snags across 336 magnificent games of footy.
Koschitzke and Didak both had outstanding careers in their own right up forward as well.

14th - 2023 National Draft​

Harley Reid, Colby McKercher, Jed Walter, Zane Duursma, Nick Watson
The hype surrounding Reid certainly lived up to expectations in his first season of footy, with the Eagle potentially one of the game’s next true superstars.
His greatness (and a few injury issues) likely overshadowed what were some great performances by McKercher, who already looks like a ball magnet with a great kick.
Wizard Watson had an enormous impact on Hawthorn on the field and culturally in his first season, kicking 25 goals from 18 games. Walter and Duursma will need time to develop as taller forward prospects. Potential for this group to climb up higher.

15th - 2019 National Draft​

Matt Rowell, Noah Anderson, Luke Jackson, Lachie Ash, Dylan Stephens
This draft is still finding its stride, but you've got two A-grade midfielders in very different ways with Rowell and Anderson leading the way.
Jackson has shown he is capable of dominating games in the ruck, while Lachie Ash is developing nicely across half-back for the Giants.

16th - 2013 National Draft​

Tom Boyd, Josh Kelly, Jack Billings, Marcus Bontempelli, Kade Kolodjashnij
Marcus Bontempelli has probably been the best player in the competition for five years now. Josh Kelly is going to be a near-300-game midfielder and Tom Boyd is a Grand Final hero.
Even at 16th, excellent group overall.

17th - 2003 National Draft​

Adam Cooney, Andrew Walker, Colin Sylvia, Farren Ray, Brock McLean
Adam Cooney would win a Brownlow Medal in his 5th year post this draft, while Andrew Walker and the late Colin Sylvia were both high-impact forwards at their best.
Ray and McLean were both quality midfield role players who had lengthy careers. This group combined for 981 AFL games.

18th - 2006 National Draft​

Bryce Gibbs, Scott Gumbleton, Ash Hansen, Matthew Leuenberger, Travis Boak
Travis Boak is making his way towards the verge of 400 games, while Bryce Gibbs had an excellent career in navy blue.
Gumbleton's career was derailed by injuries, though Hansen and Leuenberger had their moments.

19th - 2007 National Draft​

Matthew Kreuzer, Trent Cotchin, Chris Masten, Cale Morton, Jarrad Grant
Trent Cotchin is a triple premiership skipper and Brownlow Medalist and Matthew Kreuzer was an elite ruckman when healthy, but not a whole heap otherwise to write home about in 2007.

20th - 2020 National Draft​

Jamarra Ugle-Hagan, Riley Thithorpe, Will Phillips, Logan McDonald, Braeden Campbell
Super hard to really judge the COVID draft, given recruiters had no exposed form to work with here. However, the three key forwards have all started their careers nicely and have shown plenty of potential. This group could climb the rankings in the future.

21st - 2016 National Draft​

Andrew McGrath, Tim Taranto, Hugh McCluggage, Ben Ainsworth, Will Setterfield
A lower ceiling on this one, with the exception of Hugh McCluggage who has been on the All-Australian cusp for a half-decade now.
Taranto, McGrath and Ainsworth are all getting the jobs done at their respective clubs, while Setterfield is at his third team, but had consistent injury issues.

22nd - 2012 National Draft​

Lachie Whitfield, Jon O'Rourke, Lachie Plowman, Jimmy Toumpas, Jake Stringer
Side-note: The fact that the AFL's three expansion drafts rank as the bottom three on this list is unfortunate... and something worthy of deeper consideration.
Whitfield and Stringer have both become All-Australian players, however.

23rd - 2010 National Draft​

David Swallow, Harley Bennell, Sam Day, Andrew Gaff, Jared Polec
Swallow has quietly worked his way to 240 games for the Suns, without too many peaks or valleys.
Gaff will likely be remembered as one of the great wingmen of the 2010s, while Day and Polec have both had long careers. Bennell a case of not reaching his full potential.

24th - 2011 National Draft​

Jon Patton, Stephen Coniglio, Dom Tyson, Will Hoskin-Elliott, Matt Buntine
The Giants and list boss Stephen Silvagni were kids in a candy store in 2011, owning the entire top five.
Outside of Coniglio, this didn't work out great for them, though Hoskin-Elliott has had a great career at Collingwood.
But given they held 11 of the top 14 picks, they could really have selected them in any order they wanted...
 
Rick Ross said:
Found this to be really interesting reading - how much un-luck have we had when we’ve had high picks?

How bad (in comparison) were:
  • 2016 where we had 1st for McGrath
  • 2020 covid draft where we had 3x late top 10 picks

Not sure I agree on there being 4 worse than the 2020 Covid draft…

Probably depends upon how you do the ranking.

Ranking the best AFL National Draft top fives of the 21st century

Which year produced the strongest top 5, and which year produced the weakest?
www.sen.com.au www.sen.com.au

RANKING THE BEST AFL NATIONAL DRAFT TOP FIVES OF THE 21ST CENTURY​

BY NIC NEGREPONTIS
BEST_SPLIT_IMG__USE_THIS___1_.jpg

Every year, clubs battle amongst themselves to push up to the top of the National Draft, with top five picks especially carrying significant weight.
In 2024, Carlton did this by moving heaven and earth to get to pick three of a draft class many are very excited about.

The question remains, just how often does the top 5 generate a superstar? The answer is boring – it depends on the draft class.
Some years the top of the draft is littered with superstars – take 2001 for example. The top three picks were Luke Hodge, Luke Ball and Chris Judd. Handy.
Other drafts have higher variance like 2009 with Tom Scully, Jack Trengove, Dustin Martin, Anthony Morabito and Ben Cunnington.
And then there are years with lower ceilings overall. 2010 fit this mould with David Swallow, Harley Bennell, Sam Day, Andrew Gaff and Jared Polec.
Obviously, there are few bust picks littered around in some drafts, but you’re generally getting a handy AFL player in the top five.
But which draft of the 2000s has produced the best crop of players out of the top five? They’re hard to split, but we’ve attempted to rank them from best to worst.
We’ve used some future projection based on what we’ve seen to include recent drafts.
See our rankings from best to worst below:

1st - 2021 National Draft​

Jason Horne-Francis, Sam Darcy, Finn Callaghan, Nick Daicos, Mac Andrew
No draft in the 21st century has gone 5/5 with stars from the first five picks yet, but 2021 just might be the first.
Horne-Francis, Daicos and Darcy are already on track to be greats of their respective clubs, while the Suns have paid Mac Andrew like one after a breakout season.
Callaghan has enormous potential too and even if he’s 5th of this group, still looms as a 200+ game AFL midfielder. This is the best top five of the last 24 drafts.

2nd - 2005 National Draft​

Marc Murphy, Dale Thomas, Xavier Ellis, Josh Kennedy, Scott Pendlebury
The collective resume of this five is bloody impressive too. Five premierships, 11 All-Australian blazers, seven B&Fs, two club games record holders and two club captains.
Pendlebury might be Collingwood’s greatest ever player, Kennedy is certainly West Coast’s greatest ever goal kicker, Thomas and Murphy both had outstanding peaks and Ellis is a premiership Hawk.
An elite group, this.

3rd - 2004 National Draft​

Brett Deledio, Jarryd Roughead, Ryan Griffen, Richard Tambling, Lance Franklin
Did you know this group of five combined for 2065 AFL goals across their careers? Yes, Buddy kicked half of those, but still!
Lance Franklin alone would put a draft crop inside the top 10 of this list, but throw in premiership teammate and Coleman Medallist Jarryd Roughead plus two genuine stars in Deledio and Griffen and you’ve got yourself a banger group.
No shade will be thrown here at Richard Tambling either, who played 124 AFL games and kicked 62 goals himself. He just wasn't Buddy.

4th - 2001 National Draft​

Luke Hodge, Luke Ball, Chris Judd, Graham Polak, Xavier Clarke
Controversial? Too low? I’m sure many instinctively thought this would hold the no.1 slot on this list.
It’s a high bar to clear. You’ve got two of the best players of the era with Hodge and Judd, while Luke Ball is a champion in his own right.
You’ve then got two 100-gamers in Polak and Clarke who were certainly serviceable for their clubs.
Sits just outside the top three thanks to the firepower up above.

5th - 2018 National Draft​

Sam Walsh, Jack Lukosius, Izak Rankine, Max King, Connor Rozee
The 2018 National Draft is widely regarded as one of the best of modern times and the top five is no different.
Rozee is already a club captain, Rankine would’ve been an All-Australian this year if not for injury, Walsh has an All-Australian blazer and a Mark of the Year to his name, King is a few injury niggles away from being a champion goal kicker for the Saints and Lukosius gets a fresh start at the Power.

6th - 2015 National Draft​

Jacob Weitering, Josh Schache, Callum Mills, Clayton Oliver, Darcy Parish
Another very strong group, with Weitering, Mills and Oliver all stars of the competition in different ways. A star key defender, a club captain and a dominant inside midfielder at his best respectively.
Darcy Parish is no slouch either, remaining a top-line midfielder for the Bombers, while Josh Schache has had more of a journeyman career as a key forward.

7th - 2022 National Draft​

Aaron Cadman, Will Ashcroft, Harry Sheezel, George Wardlaw, Elijah Tsatas
This is one where we’re going to need a bit of future projection … but not actually as much as you’d think.
Ashcroft already has a Norm Smith Medal. Sheezel won a best and fairest in his first season. There’s your next generation of superstars right there.
And that’s before George Wardlaw, who feels like the best bet for breakout player of 2025.
There’s still plenty of time for Aaron Cadman to continue developing as a key forward and Elijah Tsatas as a midfielder as well.

8th - 2014 National Draft​

Paddy McCartin, Christian Petracca, Angus Brayshaw, Jarrod Pickett, Jordan De Goey
Christian Petracca is obviously the headliner here, taken at pick two to the Demons and now sits as one of the game’s great current players.
Angus Brayshaw had an outstanding carer in his own right, while Jordan De Goey’s peaks, including multiple Grand Final performances, speak for themselves.
Paddy McCartin also had his career cut short by concussions, but played some very solid footy for the Swans as a key defender, while Jarrod Pickett never really broke out for the Giants or Blues.

9th - 2017 National Draft​

Cam Rayner, Andrew Brayshaw, Paddy Dow, Luke Davies-Uniacke, Adam Cerra
Three current A-graders with Rayner, Brayshaw and LDU, while Cerra remains capable of hitting that ceiling. A very solid draft. Dow has a second shot at building his AFL career at the Saints.

10th - 2009 National Draft​

Tom Scully, Jack Trengove, Dustin Martin, Anthony Morabito, Ben Cunnington
One of the most high-variance top fives here. Martin - three Norm Smith Medals (still insane to think about), Cunnington has 238 games to his name as a midfielder leader at the Roos, Scully played 189 games as one of the best wingmen of the decade, Trengove was a club captain and Morabito's career was hit hard by constant injuries.

11th - 2002 National Draft​

Brendon Goddard, Daniel Wells, Jared Brennan, Tim Walsh, Jarrad McVeigh
Goddard and McVeigh were superstars their entire careers and captained Essendon and Sydney respectively.
Wells had some incredible peaks, even if injury never let him become the full-blown superstar he was destined to be, while Brennan similarly had flashes of brilliance for the Lions and Suns.

12th - 2008 National Draft​

Jack Watts, Nic Naitanui, Stephen Hill, Hamish Hartlett, Michael Hurley
Five players who all played 150 AFL games is a great start and a clear sign of the talents of this group.
Naitanui is the clear headliner here as one of the great ruckmen of the 21st century – a three-time All-Australian and two-time best and fairest winner.
Hartlett, Hurley and Hill all had great one-club careers, while Watts was obviously a little more turbulent but still finished with 174 games and 161 goals to his name – nothing to sneeze at.

13th - 2000 National Draft​

Nick Riewoldt, Justin Koschitzke, Alan Didak, Luke Livingstone, Andrew McDougall
Another 1,291 goals between this group, led of course by Riewoldt’s 718 snags across 336 magnificent games of footy.
Koschitzke and Didak both had outstanding careers in their own right up forward as well.

14th - 2023 National Draft​

Harley Reid, Colby McKercher, Jed Walter, Zane Duursma, Nick Watson
The hype surrounding Reid certainly lived up to expectations in his first season of footy, with the Eagle potentially one of the game’s next true superstars.
His greatness (and a few injury issues) likely overshadowed what were some great performances by McKercher, who already looks like a ball magnet with a great kick.
Wizard Watson had an enormous impact on Hawthorn on the field and culturally in his first season, kicking 25 goals from 18 games. Walter and Duursma will need time to develop as taller forward prospects. Potential for this group to climb up higher.

15th - 2019 National Draft​

Matt Rowell, Noah Anderson, Luke Jackson, Lachie Ash, Dylan Stephens
This draft is still finding its stride, but you've got two A-grade midfielders in very different ways with Rowell and Anderson leading the way.
Jackson has shown he is capable of dominating games in the ruck, while Lachie Ash is developing nicely across half-back for the Giants.

16th - 2013 National Draft​

Tom Boyd, Josh Kelly, Jack Billings, Marcus Bontempelli, Kade Kolodjashnij
Marcus Bontempelli has probably been the best player in the competition for five years now. Josh Kelly is going to be a near-300-game midfielder and Tom Boyd is a Grand Final hero.
Even at 16th, excellent group overall.

17th - 2003 National Draft​

Adam Cooney, Andrew Walker, Colin Sylvia, Farren Ray, Brock McLean
Adam Cooney would win a Brownlow Medal in his 5th year post this draft, while Andrew Walker and the late Colin Sylvia were both high-impact forwards at their best.
Ray and McLean were both quality midfield role players who had lengthy careers. This group combined for 981 AFL games.

18th - 2006 National Draft​

Bryce Gibbs, Scott Gumbleton, Ash Hansen, Matthew Leuenberger, Travis Boak
Travis Boak is making his way towards the verge of 400 games, while Bryce Gibbs had an excellent career in navy blue.
Gumbleton's career was derailed by injuries, though Hansen and Leuenberger had their moments.

19th - 2007 National Draft​

Matthew Kreuzer, Trent Cotchin, Chris Masten, Cale Morton, Jarrad Grant
Trent Cotchin is a triple premiership skipper and Brownlow Medalist and Matthew Kreuzer was an elite ruckman when healthy, but not a whole heap otherwise to write home about in 2007.

20th - 2020 National Draft​

Jamarra Ugle-Hagan, Riley Thithorpe, Will Phillips, Logan McDonald, Braeden Campbell
Super hard to really judge the COVID draft, given recruiters had no exposed form to work with here. However, the three key forwards have all started their careers nicely and have shown plenty of potential. This group could climb the rankings in the future.

21st - 2016 National Draft​

Andrew McGrath, Tim Taranto, Hugh McCluggage, Ben Ainsworth, Will Setterfield
A lower ceiling on this one, with the exception of Hugh McCluggage who has been on the All-Australian cusp for a half-decade now.
Taranto, McGrath and Ainsworth are all getting the jobs done at their respective clubs, while Setterfield is at his third team, but had consistent injury issues.

22nd - 2012 National Draft​

Lachie Whitfield, Jon O'Rourke, Lachie Plowman, Jimmy Toumpas, Jake Stringer
Side-note: The fact that the AFL's three expansion drafts rank as the bottom three on this list is unfortunate... and something worthy of deeper consideration.
Whitfield and Stringer have both become All-Australian players, however.

23rd - 2010 National Draft​

David Swallow, Harley Bennell, Sam Day, Andrew Gaff, Jared Polec
Swallow has quietly worked his way to 240 games for the Suns, without too many peaks or valleys.
Gaff will likely be remembered as one of the great wingmen of the 2010s, while Day and Polec have both had long careers. Bennell a case of not reaching his full potential.

24th - 2011 National Draft​

Jon Patton, Stephen Coniglio, Dom Tyson, Will Hoskin-Elliott, Matt Buntine
The Giants and list boss Stephen Silvagni were kids in a candy store in 2011, owning the entire top five.
Outside of Coniglio, this didn't work out great for them, though Hoskin-Elliott has had a great career at Collingwood.
But given they held 11 of the top 14 picks, they could really have selected them in any order they wanted...
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crackers65 said:
Norf selling home games to WA. Is there still time to relocate them to TAS?
Please AFL put them out of their misery.
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Turned down the Gold Coast offer in 2007 as they deemed themselves viable as a Melbourne club. North then took money from Tassie and now WA. How viable in Melbourne could a club needing to sell home games interstate be?
 
LB#16 said:
Turned down the Gold Coast offer in 2007 as they deemed themselves viable as a Melbourne club. North then took money from Tassie and now WA. How viable in Melbourne could a club needing to sell home games interstate be?
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Northern Kangaroos. Home games in Darwin and Alice Springs :thumbsu:
 
jdstorm said:
Love the idea.

Those places aren’t that close however. That’s like saying The lions should split games between brisbane and Fitzroy.

That and Alice is brutally cold in winter and has a population that’s far too small (and poor) for regular games to be financially viable.
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Spent 6 months driving road trains from Alice to Darwin back in the day. I know how far apart they are. :)
You would base the side out of Darwin but play 3 or 4 games in Alice. They could make it viable as a state team.
The overnight temp is cold in Winter with the averages around 4 but the day time temp through June and July is generally 18-22 degrees with May and August a bit warmer.
The biggest issue would actually be the wet season in Darwin (Nov-Apr). You would almost have to do part of the pre season in Alice training in the evenings but like anything it is workable.
 
ant555 said:
Spent 6 months driving road trains from Alice to Darwin back in the day. I know how far apart they are. :)
You would base the side out of Darwin but play 3 or 4 games in Alice. They could make it viable as a state team.
The overnight temp is cold in Winter with the averages around 4 but the day time temp through June and July is generally 18-22 degrees with May and August a bit warmer.
The biggest issue would actually be the wet season in Darwin (Nov-Apr). You would almost have to do part of the pre season in Alice training in the evenings but like anything it is workable.
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I think most people have an Alice story. Lots of people pass through there myself included.

Wet season in Darwin is an issue but that’s more of a stadium/venue issue. I’d suspect if they wanted to do this they would look closely at the new Tassie Stadium with the clear roof. You’d want to do everything in a controlled climate. Given the weather you’d find it easy enough to generate the electricity to keep it controlled via renewables/storage.

Include the cost of the state of the art training facility as part of the stadium/startup requirements
 

Hawks delist three-time premiership player who is set to be re-rookied

Club veteran set to be re-rookied.
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Nothing against the Hawks as it is in the rules but this is really a joke. He is the furthest thing from a rookie you could find.
Something has to be done to get the rookie list back to having genuine rookies that have played limited or no AFL games.
Just give the clubs a few veterans spots with a max $500k 1 year deal.
 
ant555 said:

Hawks delist three-time premiership player who is set to be re-rookied

Club veteran set to be re-rookied.
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Nothing against the Hawks as it is in the rules but this is really a joke. He is the furthest thing from a rookie you could find.
Something has to be done to get the rookie list back to having genuine rookies that have played limited or no AFL games.
Just give the clubs a few veterans spots with a max $500k 1 year deal.
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Just ditch the rookie list but keep the car B additional two spots.

Fold all those spots into the main list.
 
LB#16 said:
Turned down the Gold Coast offer in 2007 as they deemed themselves viable as a Melbourne club. North then took money from Tassie and now WA. How viable in Melbourne could a club needing to sell home games interstate be?
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Every year it’s Essendon as one of their “make up games” for their 12 members.
**** off norf.
 

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