North - spineless, poorly coached or just not very good?

[Thats Wright]

Ba bow.

All good apart from that.

This bloke hasn't got a clue. It's clear as day. It's a bloody solid list now and they just have no resilient structure and system.

Bombing the ball inside 50m is a dead giveaway in modern footy.

Don't really blame North supporters for not totally seeing it, many of them wouldn't have seen a genuinely shit, incompetent coach at the helm of their club.

It's the same as Knights - the rebuilding of list masks it for a few years, but really that is more about planning and has little to do with running a footy team.

The sooner they heave him the better.

The problem with Brad is that he's not a bad coach, he's just not very good at it.

The players aren't buying into his game plan and have the desire to succeed of a gerbil at a st kilda function.

As much as all the deluded clowns sniffing about Arden st refuse to notice, this club needs to go back to basics as nothing will change...

Going through the motions of mediocrity year after year...

Att: morons -

1) How is the side scoring?

Is this system reliable for finals and interstate?

If the answer is no, you have a problem.

As much as you want to blame the talentless folk Harvey, Wells, Dal santo, Ziebell, bastinac, swallow, Goldstein, atley, mullet etc there's a hole in the forward mentality at North.
Occasionally papered over by extra talls, playing sides that rarely play at etihad or just winning games when other sides couldn't give a shit.

The fact is if any side comes to play, north don't.

There's a lack of confidence and the desire to succeed seems to be absent in all but Harvey.

Brad Scott has pulled the side out of games early in pre season matches and hasn't punished diving, staging or putrid performances.

The lack of killer instinct will only be replaced when super nice guys Petrie, Wells, Grima grow a pair.

At the end of the day, even with the B- coach and meekish older players the side will continue to choke up like Friday night while having a leading goal scorer that only does well at etihad in early H&A games.

The structures of the forward line seems to wet the panties of the idiots of Arden st but after several years of choking up when it matters this delusion has gone too far.

A couple of first quarter fluke goals doesn't sell memberships. Wins in round 1 or big games does.

The side is cursed for mediocrity and will miss their window. Any team with a purpose strangles the forward structures and can't step up to counteract what is often a reasonably even midfield battle early.

The side isn't buying into the forward line and methods. The midfield are getting hung out to dry to a certain extent and the issues will continue.

 

[hotham]

North have players who are not mentally and / or physically up to it.

 

[Richo83]

On the Scott coaching thing, I keep coming back to one of the games last year when we threw away a lead for the umpteenth time and Cam Ling was embeded with the team for the night.

That's game day coaching, I think one of the biggest problems with Scott is he's lacked a backup game plan. He's tried to implement a more defensive gameplan focused on holding onto the ball and protecting space so you don't get opened up, but it's merely resulted in slow ball movement and not pressing your opposition. I saw it in the pre-season and a number of fans on the North board have noticed it too. They seem over coached, perhaps confused, either way, it's bad coaching. I also think it's bad coaching to ignore players who could solve your problems, Levi Greenwood may not be a superstar but he wins the contested ball, and with Swallow out, I can't understand how he doesn't get picked. Essendon won the ball consistently from stoppages, and then played keepings off. It meant that North had no momentum. I also think he sends mixed messages in his press conferences, he said that the structures were fine but the contested structures that North were using were abysmal.

 

[Handsuper47]

It's a combination of bad coaching and players who just don't wanna try hard enough. They need someone to give those players a kick up the ass!

 

[hollywood23]

They were terrible and probably fortunate to escape with just a 39 point loss.

I still expect them to bounce back and beat the Dogs next week.

Disregarding your whole post, you need to understand that the signature you have attached to your profile really highlights the lack of class you have as a person and as a football follower. Grow up.

 

[Itsmyshow]

I agree with Richo83

I actually believe that Scott is an excellent build up coach, the during the week stuff a strong point, but on game day, he lacks flexibility, to a point where he just refuses to believe that his "A" plan isn't working.

 

[Ancient Tiger]

I agree with Richo83

I actually believe that Scott is an excellent build up coach, the during the week stuff a strong point, but on game day, he lacks flexibility, to a point where he just refuses to believe that his "A" plan isn't working.

It's fair to say that plan A to Z won't work if the players are not getting their hands on the ball and not putting pressure on the opposition.

 

[Sttew]

Extremely disappointing effort from North

Perhaps they are just pretty average

Cast your mind back to 2007 when Geelong lost to North in R 3 or 4. The "experts" came out and said nothing had changed, that Geelong were teasers, a team with potential but an inability to hurt opposition teams.

It is only R1. I wouldn't write the Kanagoos off yet.

 

[Ancient Tiger]

Cast your mind back to 2007 when Geelong lost to North in R 3 or 4. The "experts" came out and said nothing had changed, that Geelong were teasers, a team with potential but an inability to hurt opposition teams.

It is only R1. I wouldn't write the Kanagoos off yet.

Don't remind me of round 5 2007………..

 

[Sttew]

Don't remind me of round 5 2007………..

Thanks for reminding me....

 

[LukeParkerno1]

Cast your mind back to 2007 when Geelong lost to North in R 3 or 4. The "experts" came out and said nothing had changed, that Geelong were teasers, a team with potential but an inability to hurt opposition teams.

It is only R1. I wouldn't write the Kanagoos off yet.

True but Geelong had...Ablett, Chapman, Corey, Enright, Scarlett, Bartel.....that is a big difference to having Wells and Swallow, and Goldstein out for 3 months isn't going to help!

 

[Jack Bradley]

All 3 at the moment

 

[TheMcGrathMan]

True but Geelong had...Ablett, Chapman, Corey, Enright, Scarlett, Bartel.....that is a big difference to having Wells and Swallow, and Goldstein out for 3 months isn't going to help!

Goldy is expected to play round 2, depending on bruising.

 

[LukeParkerno1]

Goldy is expected to play round 2, depending on bruising.

Not good news for you- means your fruit of a coach won't realise that playing 2 rucks is critical. Currie should play.

 

[LosBeatles]

He should give majak daw a game, at least at etihad he was kicking bags of goals last year even if he can't do much else. I would rather have someone who gets 5 posessions and kicks 5 goals than another useless 25 posession midfielder who has no effect on the game

 

[LukeParkerno1]

He should give majak daw a game, at least at etihad he was kicking bags of goals last year even if he can't do much else. I would rather have someone who gets 5 posessions and kicks 5 goals than another useless 25 posession midfielder who has no effect on the game

At least have a forward/ruck. You can't have Petrie doing it as he is their best forward! Daw could be a chance, but can he ruck yet?

 

[theflea]

I agree with Richo83

I actually believe that Scott is an excellent build up coach, the during the week stuff a strong point, but on game day, he lacks flexibility, to a point where he just refuses to believe that his "A" plan isn't working.

Is the coach inflexible or is it the players? Or is it simply if you cant win the ball your stuffed? IMO it always comes back to winning the ball. You might be able to change the KPP's around but if the mids cant get the pill, your doomed. This is where you end up with the plus 1 or 2 at the contest and hope you win it, as you will be opened up at whatever end your plus players come from. Try to adjust the players in the middle however you can( depth comes into play ie HHF's/HBF's now have to see if the can win it) change the game. Of course this is only 1 way and simplistic.

 

[The Casey Cat]

Appear to still be mentally hopeless. If they were playing say Hawks or Geelong next week they could come out and beat them and proceed to cough up against the Suns or another average side the week later. Just not sure this will ever change with North or Richmond for that matter. Both may need to start again shortly.

 

[MaddAdam]

They have talent, they were just constantly out coached last year. How else would you be able to explain so many close losses

Lack of onfield leadership rather than poor coaching.

 

[MaddAdam]

Cast your mind back to 2007 when Geelong lost to North in R 3 or 4. The "experts" came out and said nothing had changed, that Geelong were teasers, a team with potential but an inability to hurt opposition teams.

It is only R1. I wouldn't write the Kanagoos off yet.

Yep, and this is my point. After that loss, Matthew Scarlett famously delivered a spray to his teammates.

Which North player could do the same after the other night?

 

[MaddAdam]

He should give majak daw a game, at least at etihad he was kicking bags of goals last year even if he can't do much else. I would rather have someone who gets 5 posessions and kicks 5 goals than another useless 25 posession midfielder who has no effect on the game

FFS, Scott said in the lead up he;d love to play Majak, but Majak is still recovering from injury is not fit enough yet.

 

[King Of The Hille]

Pretty average side, lacking hart, commitment, spirit the list goes on.

I'd be worried if I were a North supporter. Horrible showing, and a team which some don't even have in the top 8 cut them up.

 

[Inferno]

Cast your mind back to 2007 when Geelong lost to North in R 3 or 4. The "experts" came out and said nothing had changed, that Geelong were teasers, a team with potential but an inability to hurt opposition teams.

It is only R1. I wouldn't write the Kanagoos off yet.

Geelong kicked themselves out of a GF in 2004, were three seconds away in the 2005 Semi from beating the eventual premiers interstate with a huge injury list and playing without a ruckman for over half the game, and had even shown signs early in 2006 with a NAB Cup win and a few early thrashings.

By comparison the only things of note North's achieved is being competitive a few times against the top teams and their finals experience consists only of a 100pt flogging in Perth.

Sure North have potential, but they haven't shown much more than Richmond, Essendon, Port, WCE, Adelaide or Carlton really.

 

[Jobe Watson]

North just aren't very good. And they're mentally weak to boot. Overrated in the pre-season by all and sundry.

Limped into the top 8 on the back of a soft draw in 2012 and were shown up by West Coast in the final. 2013 was a terrible season filled with plenty of false hope. And 2014 has started in a pretty underwhelming fashion to say the least. If they miss finals again this season, Scott should be gone.

Players like Ziebell, Wells, Bastinac and Atley are vastly overrated.

 

[eth-dog]

How can they not see that Brad Scott is Matthew Knights reincarnate?